Your Path to Instrument Flight Training Success — AviatorCast 126

Your Path to Instrument Flight Training Success — AviatorCast 126

On this episode of AviatorCast, the path to
success in instrument training. Welcome aviators to another episode of AviatorCast. Load up your flight bag with useful flight
training topics, interviews in aviation passion. Let’s kick the tires and light the fires coming
to you from Angle Of Attack headquarters in Homer, Alaska years. Here’s your host and flight instructor, Chris
Palmer. Welcome everyone to AviatorCast. My name is Chris Palmer. I’m happy to have you here today. Thanks for joining me on the podcast. Wherever you’re coming from, whether that’s
listening or watching on YouTube. I really appreciate you being here and I do
hope that you get something out of this podcast, out of AviatorCast. And I know I’ve had some new episodes recently
that have just been really impactful for people, so I’m excited to do even more of that and
help you guys even more. See if we can’t repeat on those successes
here. So today we’re going to be focusing specifically
on your path to success in instrument training. Now this is really important because I did
a podcast on private pilot training and how to avoid study burnout. However, I want to talk about instrument training
specifically and I’m wanting to make it more of a path of success than just how to avoid
burnout. So that’s going to be what we’re talking about
today. So if you’re wanting to get an instrument
rating because someone said that it’s going to add extra safety for you, then this is
a podcast that you’ll want to listen to. And you’ve heard also that when you become
an instrument pilot you become a better pilot, a more professional pilot, that’s certainly
true as well. And maybe you’re not quite sure where to start
because really the instrument training is quite different from private pilot training. So there will be a lot of new terms that you
hear today, things that you haven’t thought of before and you go about this much differently
than you went about your private pilot training. It’s actually very different. So there are ways to save money and do it
more efficiently. And we’re going to go through some of those
things today and also talk about some of the steps to get to where you want to go to become
an instrument pilot, which is a really exciting and fun thing to do. I love instrument flying. It’s the pinnacle of flying. It really takes all of your skill and knowledge
and mental energy to get it done. So it’s quite a rewarding type of flying and
I hope that you do go for this and get to experience instrument flying some day, but
of course it’s going to take quite a bit of effort to actually get there. As we know with anything in aviation, you’ve
got to work hard for it. So it’s interesting because instrument flying
is so different from private pilot flying in that in private pilot you’re really just
learning how to fly the airplane and get used to how it works and the basics of how to fly
a plane. Now we take that and go the complete direction
in instrument training, which often throws people for a loop, not literally, but now
we’re doing 90% mental energy into the flying rather than the actual ability to fly the
plane. You’ve already proved in your private pilot
training that you can fly the airplane, so now you’re really putting your mental energy,
or your thoughts, or your brainpower behind your flying and you are flying by numbers,
by paths, by all sorts of different things within instrument flying. It takes quite a bit of effort to build up
to that. So now you’re going to prove that you can
fly faster than the airplane… Think faster than the airplane flies is really
what I wanted to say. So you can, now you’re going to prove that
you can think ahead of the airplane several steps. That’s really one of the only ways to be successful
in instrument training is you have to be… Or instrument flying, not just the training. You have to be thinking ahead of the airplane
at all times and it might seem that when you’re under air traffic control it’s less restrictive. They’re telling you what to do, they’re telling
you the exact procedures to do, et cetera. It actually becomes a lot easier because as
you remember in private pilot you learned a lot about airspace, how all that works. While when you’re an instrument, yes, you
have to learn how to do certain procedures, how to fly them, fly by the numbers, all those
things. And that is quite complex. But all that airspace system, this national
airspace system, is built for instrument. So it actually simplifies things because you’re
talking to people all the time. They keep passing you off to the next person
and really a lot of the work is done for you in terms of how to go somewhere. Airspace becomes irrelevant and you know a
defined path in the sky that you can keep to remain safe from rolling down the runway
and taking off and climbing, to clear terrain, all the way to breaking out of the clouds
just above the runway, when you’re doing an approach. That entire path is going to be protected
for you. I also want to say that instrument training
sets itself apart, or instrument flying. Well, the training in this case sets itself
apart in that it is a marathon or a journey, more of a marathon, than it is a race. Because a journey I think is going to be too
slow, you’re not going to learn fast enough when you’re doing you’re doing instrument
training. But it’s definitely a marathon more than a
race, something that is doable. But it’s going to be a longterm thing that
you need to get after and it’s just very different for people to absorb the whole new world of
instrument training. So keep that in perspective that we need to
think of instrument training longterm and getting to proficiency and confidence rather
than just trying to pass a checkride. And that’s what my story was like, doing my
instrument training. I actually ended up failing my initial checkride
for instrument, for many reasons. And actually I try to absorb as much responsibility,
personal responsibility, as I can. But in my case there was a lot to do with
the instructor for my instrument training. So it didn’t work out the first time, didn’t
have a good instructor, didn’t have a good situation. We can talk about that another time. Maybe I can do an entire podcast on that story
because I think it’s more a conversation about accelerated flight training programs and how
they don’t work rather than it is something about instrument training in and of itself. So after that experience I said, “Hey, if
I’m going to be an instrument pilot, I don’t just want to pass a checkride.” Right. Because I almost passed the checkride but
I had no clue what I was doing. I didn’t really know how things were coming
together. I could’ve gone up and finished off with one,
or a couple procedures. But I just felt like, you know what, even
if I do get this instrument, I’m not going to be using it. So the next time I did my instrument training,
and really I did come back in a whole new way to it, is I went through and did it until
I was confident in doing it and knew that I knew what I was doing and that I could be
using those skills in the real world. So then I didn’t rush myself and I just got
into this mindset that hey, I am going to get this right rather than just getting it
done. And that was a very different experience for
me. And eventually I came to this place where
I was literally on approach at this airport in Northern California and it all just clicked
for me. My hands were moving where they needed to
go. I was thinking several steps ahead of the
airplane. I was doing everything I was supposed to be
doing and I felt confident. I was ready for the checkride at that point. But a much different experience. All right, so that’s where I would like you
to get in instrument training. That’s where I think you should get, if you’re
building up toward a commercial license, especially. Then you have plenty of time in between anyway
to be working on that instrument training and getting it right the first time and building
those hours toward your commercial training. So why not spend the time and get it right,
rather than just getting it done. So that’s my advice on that to also have the
ability and the confidence to go out and use that instrument rating once you get that ticket. So don’t rush it, just do it right, is my
advice. All right. Okay, so now let’s talk about how you prepare
for your instrument training. This is going to be the same format that I
went through in the private pilot area. We’re going to be going through starting with
the ground school and the written test and the knowledge things first, and then moving
into the flight training. I always think that that is the correct order
of doing things. Instrument training is maybe a little bit
different in that you could use a little bit of crossover at some point. But because there isn’t really a rush for
us to get this done, then you can dip your toes into the flight training while you’re
trying to figure out the written test stuff as well. At least get a little bit of a start and then
dive deep into the written test and knowledge portion of everything before moving fully
to the flight training. So this type of advice for me is never going
to change because I’ve been through several handful of different written tests and every
time I did it in this order where I learned things first and then went to the airplane
or went to the training and did it, it turned out much better for me personally. All right. Now I’ve been on the opposite side of that
as well, where I’ve had many flight students that I’ve seen, both those who have prepared
and done their initial knowledge, and those who haven’t. And I can tell you that it’s night and day
between the two, that those that actually do their knowledge beforehand come to the
instrument training knowing so much more about how everything is working. They’re not looking at charts for the first
time, they’re not understanding all of the vocabulary that has to do with IFR for the
first time. They’re 90, 80% ish and then the flight training
will help them contextualize all of that training that they had been doing, all of that learning
that they’d been doing, to then go the extra mile and really bring it all together. So it takes a lot of time, it’s going to take
more time with the ground stuff on instrument than it did with the private pilot. Just because it is so different. You learned a whole set of knowledge in private
pilot and now it’s a completely separate set of knowledge for instrument. The charts are different, the communications
are different, your performance and everything is different. The rules are different. There are handful of rules like your proficiency
and and recency baseline, biannual flight review or just flight review now. And you’re takeoffs and landings that remain
the same and your license and everything. And then there are some new recency requirements
for instrument as well. So most everything regulation-wise for you
as a pilot is the same, but then everything else, the flying, is just totally different. So you’re learning a whole new set of knowledge
for IFR versus the VFR flying that you had done in the past. All right? As always, be a good student through this
process. Take notes, study more of what you don’t know,
go out there and search for things that you want to know more about because there are
those subjects that you will struggle with. I think in a way it takes a village to raise
a pilot. So feel free to go out and get information
from a bunch of different sources. Of course here at Angle Of Attack, we do have
an instrument ground school. I’m really proud of it. I did a lot of instrument flying myself and
feel like I really understand how it all works and fits together. So I’m a big picture guy and then I like to
break down everything from there into the procedures and everything. So I feel like that is one of the best ground
skills I have as an instrument and I really enjoy teaching it because I do love doing
instrument, so if you want to check that out, go ahead. Of course there are other people out there
that do it as well and you can compare who does what. So go for that, okay? You got to do ground school at some point. Start here, especially as you’re building
your time toward your license, you need to get 50 hours cross country time for instrument. You’re building time maybe toward commercial. There’s plenty of time to go through all this. Okay. There’s not going to be a huge rush and there’s
no financial harm in just going slow and figuring this out right now. This is where there’s no drawbacks really
to going through the training now. Whereas, if you go into your flight training
and you don’t know any of this stuff, then you’re going to start paying for immensely
as you’re learning these things for the first time with your instructors sitting there,
training you on this stuff. Okay? And then into the flight training. Now some of these things don’t change from
what we did in private pilot. So the frequency in which you do your training
flights is very important. Three times a week is ideal. There’s no harm in breaking this rule in instrument. Remember that this is a marathon and not a
race. We are chipping away at it and really getting
confident and proficient. So if you need to spread that out in maybe
fewer flights and more at home study time, that’s definitely possible too. Just absorb it and get it right. Now as some point there is going to be a big
push to get it done and that’s when in the end you’re going to have to be flying at least
three times a week or maybe every day or doing something actively every day to prepare for
the checkride and get yourself to that pinnacle of knowledge and proficiency, which is definitely
something that we want to do for any license that we go through through the FAA. All right. Now a big part of instrument training is that
you can use a flight simulator to actually log time and it says this in the regulations
and you can log up to 20 hours of your instrument flight time in an AATD. Now there are some different rules for lesser
models of flight simulators, but an advanced aviation training device you can log up to
20 hours. Now a simulator is incredibly valuable because
you can go through the repetitive tasks of certain things that are just challenging for
people to grasp. So you can do that final approach course or
that hold entry many different times in a row rather than in an airplane where you have
to fly all the way back to the start to do it again, which is very time consuming. You will be verifying this eventually in an
airplane, but why not do most of it in a simulator where it’s cheap and you’re not burning fuel
and you can repeat those tasks that are holdups for people in instrument flying. Now that’s 20 hours. Okay, but what about the non-loggable time
in a simulator? It’s still incredibly valuable. You could be sitting next to an instructor
learning even beyond the 25 hours. You may not be able to apply it to your training,
but it’s still incredibly valuable, so just think of that. Bringing a simulator into this and that’s
what you can see already that is so different from private pilot training. Now there’s another aspect of this to building
time toward your instrument which is flying with a safety pilot. Okay, so a safety pilot is say a friend or
a colleague or an acquaintance that can sit in the right seat. They are a private pilot, they’re licensed,
everything, they’re legit. And they are going to spot traffic for you
and be a safety pilot over their VFR basically, while you sit left seat with a view limiting
device and do simulated instrument and fly the airplane that way. So the really cool thing about this is that
you both get to log PIC time. So one of the best people you can find as
a safety pilot is a commercial pilot that is trying to build up to those 250 hour minimums
for their license that want to split the costs. They actually get to log this time as PIC
time. You get to log the time as PIC time and you
are both building hours at the same time. Splitting the costs. It’s pretty cool. Now I know some instructors, and I think I
definitely jump on this bandwagon, that say that you can build bad habits by doing the
safety pilot stuff too much. And so I think having guidance and direction
from an instructor is very helpful to make sure that you are not building bad habits
in instrument. So maybe you actually start a little bit of
instrument training first, get some guidance on how to scan the instruments, how to do
certain things, and then you move into building that time with the safety pilot, buckling
down on the simulator with your instructor. At this point your written test for sure has
to be done. And then as you get to the end of building
those hours, that’s when you do that big push for the three times a week to finally push
and get your instrument checkride done. So that is the flight training for instrument
in a nutshell. That’s how I do it. Of course, you can go and look at the regulations
for this in your FAR. So you’ll see the regulation that says what
type of experience you need to build as an instrument pilot, how many hours, et cetera. That’s really important. Now I do have something coming out soon called
Checkride ACE and I talked to you guys about this. It’s a checkride preparation program. That’s going to be fairly short but very to
the point about what you need for your checkride and what to look out for and what it’ll be
like. I will be doing it for a private, commercial,
instrument and CFI in that order. So I will be doing an instrument Checkride
ACE and I will be teaching you in that product about the time you need, about how to build
this time and more depth and some more tips and tricks along those lines. So that’s specific to the instrument and I
just wanted to bring that up now because even though I’m recording this podcast now, that’s
not quite done yet by the time this podcast releases that may actually be out. So go ahead and go to and
sign up for that. And then I’ll send you an email when it’s
ready if you so choose, but I’m going to make it really affordable. I just think that not a lot of people know
what’s going on when they’re ready for the checkride and ready to go to really check
themselves and verify that they’ve set everything up, but to really have that knowledge ahead
of time through your training is going to be really helpful. Okay. One last note here. This is completely out of left field, but
I think it’s really important that you fly with an instructor as well that is willing,
if the conditions present themselves, to fly in actual conditions. So you can see what those actual instrument
meteorological conditions are like in a single engineer plane. To have that in your training is invaluable
and the more you can do it and just do real instrument training. Real instrument rather than simulated, while
you’re in the airplane is very helpful. Of course, I still very much support the flight
simulator, the AATD or whatever you can do to get some simulator time. Even if he can’t legally log that time, it’s
all going to be very helpful for you. So that’s everything in a nutshell. This is a pattern that I’ve had in other other
podcasts. So I talked about the private pilot already. This is the instrument. There’s going to be another one for commercial
and CFI where I’ll talk about the specifics for those as well. But you got to start by studying on the ground. There’s so much to learn, especially with
instrument. You got to start by studying on the ground,
get all that out of the way. You’re going to save money when you move into
your flight training. Do your flight training in a smart way and
build it correctly using a simulator, using a safety pilot, having a good quality instructor
that’s going to take you into those actual conditions, that’s going to teach you instrument
well. And I think you will have success at this,
I really know you will. So that’s how I feel in a nutshell about it. Now again, as our overarching, most important,
parts of this is I have some tips for success. So again, don’t rush this process for instrument. Just do it right. You’ve got to build that time for commercial
anyway, so you may as well just take it slow, make sure this really settles in and you really
understand how things are working. Proficiency and confidence is what you’re
ultimately going for with instrument conditions. Dedicate yourself to the big picture. I talked about how in my ground school, I
do the big picture. That’s because that first time I did my instrument
training, I didn’t understand the big picture. Also because I don’t think my instructor really
understood the big picture. Why are we doing things the way we’re doing
them in instrument conditions? How is the national airspace system working? How are we moving from one procedure to the
next? What is expected of us? What do we expect of them? Et cetera. If you understand that, instrument becomes
so easy and the actual skill of flying, everything isn’t that hard. It’s really just understanding how everything
fits together. So one of the reasons you become such a better
pilot when you become an instrument pilot is because you become a stickler for the details. So be really big on the details. Nailing those altitudes exactly. Nailing those numbers exactly. This is going to refine who you are. So that’s everything in a nutshell. And if you think of instrument training in
a safety standpoint, so imagine that you get your instrument rating and you are ready to
go to the next step. Okay? You are going to take your checkride and you
are going to fly in instrument conditions right after your checkride and you’re going
to take your family somewhere and you know that the weather is totally bad from takeoff
all the way to landing. Now you as an instrument pilot, you need to
know that with your blood on the line from lifting those wheels off the ground, you can’t
see anything. Okay? That’s what we’re assuming here, hypothetically,
that you know how to protect yourself in every way through the procedures and things that
you know and learn throughout that entire flight path from liftoff, all the way through
until touchdown. That is what being a confident and proficient
instrument pilot is all about. You need to know how that process actually
works and do that. All right? That is who you are going to be or what you’re
able to do when you get your instrument ticket, that add on to your private pilot license. Very important that you keep that in mind. That is how everything works. Okay? And you need to be ready to do that and that’s
going to take a while to understand how to do all of that. So that is it. I hope you guys enjoyed this path to success
in instrument training. Go ahead and leave a comment. Tell me what your favorite part was in this
episode. Maybe something that you learned. You can do that not only through email, but
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of this episode was and also give it a like if you will, share it if you will, whatever. If you want to do that. But thanks for being here. I’m glad you are learning and growing. That’s really exciting for me. I hope you keep doing it. That’s the best thing you could give to me,
even more than a like or a share or whatever. Is just that you’re out there, you’re getting
after it, you’re doing it. That is the biggest thank you you could ever
give to me. So keep doing it. All right, and until next time, throttle on. We sincerely thank you for joining us on AviatorCast. Please subscribe through your favorite podcast
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11 thoughts on “Your Path to Instrument Flight Training Success — AviatorCast 126

  1. Hi Chris,
    BaronPilot does a great video on what to do to PREPARE for IFR training. Look it up.
    Remember "Aviate, Navigate, Communicate"
    I totally understand how important it is to have a good instructor.
    If you don't work together, or meld personality wise, the learning is much harder if not impossible.
    Thanks for sharing.

  2. those ACE courses sound awesome. starting IFR in 2 weeks, this was very helpful. I think you hit the nail on the head, when you mentioned being able to see the big picture.

  3. This is very helpful. hope to restart my instrument training soon. I have a great instructor, I just need to find an aircraft. It's funny how the instrument training that I took 22 years ago has stuck with me. I did the Sporty's ground school last year (I had expectations of starting sooner) and it wasn't bad. Do you have a sample of your ground school. I'm going to start another ground school before I start training again. I think you're right – the more you know about the system the better off you are. That doesn't mean I'm instrument capable but I think that when I restart it should go ok. I don't rush my training. When I did my extended BFR I didn't want to "sign off" until I felt like I was ready. My instructor convinced me that I was ready but it took a little while lol. Anyway… like you say – There's no rush. Learn it and it won't leave you.

    03:01 – Often throws people for a loop LOL better than makes their head spin
    03:41 – Think faster than the airplane flies
    05:41 – It is a marathon rather than a race. Absolutely true!

  4. I am taking your advice. I will concentrate on the written for now, fly later — besides, flying in northern Nevada in the winter is an exercise in futility since storms around here have icing conditions that go all the way to the ground. I don't like to even drive down to the airport in the winter.

  5. Ground school and exam complete…building XC time with safety pilot… getting ready to engage instructor and finish the instrument marathon. Transitioning to cirrus at same time to complicate things as this will be my primary aircraft until I win the lottery (and get my TBM 940).

  6. Great video Chris. As a former CFI-I from many years ago and rusty pilot (rust is starting to flake off) great advice. Only wish I had the time to visit AK to do some back country flying with you.

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