The GMBN Podcast Episode 18 | 2019 World Champions Are Crowned

– Well, it was the World
Mountain Bike Championships in Mont Saint-Anne, Quebec on the weekend, and I’m joined today by
a man who is no stranger to World Championships, Oli Beckingsale. – How you doing? – Crikey, Oli, you must have some memories of the World Championships, I’m sure. When was your first one? – First one, that was
June in ’92, so I was 16. So I think my first was, I think, 1990. – 1990? – Yeah, but I joined in
’92, it was my first. I think I done, I had a little tot up, I think I did 18 World– – You’ve done 18 World Championships? – I think so, yeah. (Steve chuckling) So quite a few, yeah. – Have you still got all
the kits from all that? – I keep bits and bobs, yeah. I’ve never kept bikes. I keep jerseys and I keep number boards. That’s the two things
that I’ve kind of got. So I’ve got bags of
jerseys and bits and bobs. The old school one where they went old-school British cycling white, then they went to a
horrible green one year, and some newer stuff. Yeah, it was cool, some really
good times and good memories. – I saw the thing with the
British kit this weekend? – I’m not a great fan of the new stuff. I’m a bit old school. (laughing) I like the old school original
white with the GB, yeah. Like really old, early ’90s. – But 18, so back in 1992 then, was there like a formal
British team back then? – I mean, we were lucky in there was, British cycling was really relaxed and there was no real national team, there was no lottery money
or anything like that. And then we had sponsorship, that year was from 7UP, the drink. They had a load of money
because mountain biking was, like 1990, early ’90s,
huge, huge, huge sport. So we had sponsorship from
7UP for the national series. It was on channel four
on the Sunday morning, on the telly, mental. – Yeah, yeah. – And then so they had a national team. So there was six, it was
in Bromont in Canada, so an expensive trip. Tim Flukes, yeah, a lot
of guys know Tim Flukes. Worked for RockShox for many years. – Big technician? – Technician, he was the manager, and then we had six juniors. – Right. – And even though I was a
youngster I got the sixth spot, and went away on that one. It was cool. – And who was the elite guys from, who was leading the, well, the world– – So there was amazing
amount of elite guys. A lot of them have crossed
over from cyclo-cross, road. So, yeah, David Baker. – Right, yeah. – Tim Gould. So you had the big Rally
team, big Peugeot team. – What about on a world
level, who won that race? – Who won that race, ’92? – Come on, Oli, I’m going
to push you on this. – Henrik Djernis, I think it was. Danish guy, rode for Richie, and then you had
Frischknecht, Tinker Juarez. Tomac was still smashing it. – Yeah. – So, year what? Year before ’91 he won cross-country
and second in downhill. – Going back to you said
about 7UP sponsored the team, did you notice there was
a lot of motor brands on some of the national team jerseys? I think I saw Suzuki, I saw KTM. There’s a lot of motor
sponsorship in that. – It goes in waves, I think,
depending on the popularity, and I think that back then
mountain biking had a big, it was a new extreme
sport, it was mainstream. There wasn’t a divide between
downhill and cross-country. It was just mountain bike and
I think that helped in a way. So we had some big corporate sponsors. Outdoor sponsors. Now I think with the, the mountain bike I think is in a really healthy place and coming around. Therefore, especially with
the Red Bull influence as well and the television coverage, that then means corporate
sponsors start to wire up. If it’s getting TV coverage,
those people always start having a little look then, I think. It’s just made low its
bike brand, didn’t it? – So it’s the World Championships. It’s a hugely important event. Now I know that the
downhillers throw everything. They throw the kitchen sink at this event. – Yeah. – It is massively important. Was it due, actually, does everybody approach it differently? Do cross-country riders
approach it differently as well as the downhillers? – Well, just here’s what it’s all about. The only difference between mountain bike and cross-country is they
have the Olympic side, but to be honest, that’s
only comes around, it does a once every four year thing. I’m getting, actually, people would still put World above it. – Really, in cross-country? – I think as a cycling
sense, yeah, I think so. It’s the toughest race, and
it’s the one race a year, and I always, for me, it was bigger than any
other race that year. For me, I got top 10 in
cross-country twice as a senior and I put those as my best
results ahead of everything else. – Oh, wow. – Yeah, it was, and you do, you throw the kitchen sink at it. Equipment, prep, everything, big risks. – Of course, lots of people did through the kitchen sink at the
race on the weekend. Unfortunately Brook MacDonald
had a huge crash in practice. He’s had surgery on his back, so we wish Brook all the
best in the hospital. But let’s go into the cross-country. – Some great racing. – Amazing, now the track, I’m not an expert on
cross-country racing, Oli, I’ll have to say, but the track looked
actually quite full on, some of those rock sections, that’s like World Cup
downhill standard, right? – Yeah, I mean, I think
it’s the toughest track. – The toughest track? (laughter) – I think so. I’ll put it out there as
being the toughest track. There’s some big rock
gardens that have been built. I mean, some of those sections are built, but what they’ve done is
the last couple of years is to make it more technical
they’ve found sections that are naturally in the
woods, and the big rock slab? That’s only come in the
last two or three years. – And they are big rock slabs – ’cause they’re big on TV. – Very proper, yeah, and the thing is Mont Saint-Anne, all over the place it
always rains, you know? There always humidity. It’s always rained at some
point during the week. It can rain the morning of the race. So it’s rooty, it’s rocky, and there’s no, there are a lot of the sections that, even the linking sections,
there’s no smooth, single track. There’s always things
that’ll catch you out. – Unlike the technical
climb, the switchback climb, even that seems to have rocks in it. – Yeah, I mean, all the way up there’s very few section on there,
except for the corners, really steep, really loose, and when you get tired, you slip, then you got to get off and walk. It’s just there’s not
many parts of that circuit where you’re just flowing
and kind of switching off. – I was surprised,
actually, in the men’s race, there was quite a lot
of people getting off and pushing up some of this. I mean, why were they doing that? – Just fatigue. – Really? – Just getting it wrong, yeah. Yeah, just knackered and
you’re trying to process, trying to get up a rocky, technical climb when you’re knackered. (Steve laughing) And that’s when you just make mistakes, wrong gear, wrong line choice. It’s funny, you see that the
really tough tracks like that, it splits your top 10
guys and your guy in 50th. Whereas a lot of tracks,
they’re only split on time, there you can visibly see
he’s really, really good and he’s just good. – And then there’s like
a downflowing section, and then there was a grass field, and I looked at that
grass field and I thought, oh my God, I do not want
to be pedaling up through that grass field ’cause it’s
going to be really sticky, right? – Yeah. – After all the rain. – Yeah, the whole thing is just every part of that circuit you’re trying hard, and it’s you’re sprinting
it out on corners. Yeah, it’s a really
demanding, like physically. I mean, I used to find it tough. It didn’t suit me as a bike racer. I’ve never had a good race around Mont Saint-Anne in my life. I bloody hate the place, frankly. But, yeah, I liked more
physical, as you call it. I was a climber, a bit old school, sticking on a forest
road uphill with a nice, flowing single track and I’m a happy boy. – Right. – So on that stuff, which
is big, physical stuff, throwing the bike around,
technical ups and downs, it was too much for me as a racer. – Wow, crikey. So with the women’s, now a French woman, Ferrand-Prevot, won the race. – Yeah. – Her first World title, right? – Yeah, and a big comeback. Yeah, so she’s had some,
she was a world champion, multiple disciplines, the
biggest thing in cycling, and then had some, I’ll tell you this, you have to have some big operations, and then this is a big
come back and all year she’s been getting closer
and closer to the front, and to fight back and to win the biggest race of the
year is unbelievable. – It did mean a lot to her, didn’t it? – Yeah. – The quiet comeback by
Jolanda Neff during the race, she was in third place at one point, and she reeled in McConnell
pretty efficiently towards the end of the race, didn’t she? And it was on that technical climb, right? – Yeah. – I mean, she did, McConnell did seem to be struggling. – Yeah, I mean if you’re fatigued, that’s where, that’s the toughest bit. If your legs are starting to cramp, to get them, literally get
the pedals around there, so if somebody’s got good legs, and mentally as well when you
see somebody on that climb, you can see quite a long way ahead. It’s almost a minute long. – Oh, crikey. – From bottom to top, so you
can see a minute’s worth, and if you’ve got someone in your sights– – Yeah. – Yeah, that helps. – Must help massively, right? – Yeah, the psychology of
it’s ridiculous, you know, if you’re catching somebody. – Yeah, and why is that then? Is there a danger of you
using too much energy trying to catch somebody as well? – There’s a risk, yeah, but I think, well, it’s a big thing, the psychology of being, catching or being caught and
what that does to your morale. I mean, all those guys are on the edge of, half your body’s saying to race, the other half of your body’s saying, “Can you just stop and have a sandwich?” (laughter) So actually you’re right on the knife edge between which one to choose. – Yeah, you’re told to
stop and have a sandwich. I noticed that Ferrand-Prevot
actually did stop on her last lap on one of the switchbacks. I was thinking, what
on Earth is she doing? She got problems or anything? But she just took her time,
lined up the switchback, and got off the bike, and went again. I mean, that’s how much time
she actually had in the bag. – Yeah, yeah, yeah, that you
can process things like that. – From a British perspective,
Annie Last, amazing results. – Great race, yeah, and not
off the best second lap. She had a flat tire on the second lap which put her back a bit. So and then she was coming through. She’s one of the fastest
racers on the last few laps. So a sixth place is great, but she’ll be thinking she probably could have gotten on the podium. – Yeah, and in the junior women there’s a great result, right? – Junior men. – So, junior men. – Actually, junior women did well as well. However, the standout ride was, yeah, Charlie Aldridge in junior men. – Because I was going to ask you where is British cross-country at? – Yeah, and it hasn’t been great. There’s some good standout riders, but as an overall,
there’s not the strength and depth that GB Daniel’s
got by a long way. We get the old rider
come through, get back. I don’t count myself as
one of the standout ones. I wasn’t a medal winner,
but you got Liam Killeen, could win a medal in his day. Grant Ferguson’s come through. He’s a really strong rider. He had a good ride, actually, on Sunday, but not as good as he has been. In the women’s, Annie, Evie Richards. – Yeah. – She had a good ride, but– – Evie Richards. Where’s Evie Richards from? – She’s Malvern. – Right, okay. – So she does a bit, where she’s come through, and she’s had some great
results being a world champ, but had some health issues, so for her to come back and finish fourth. But yeah, Charlie Aldridge, junior men’s cross-country world champ. – I got to ask you, I
got to ask you this, Oli. You’re part of the British team. There must have been times where, like what happens at the World’s is everyone hangs out together. The British team hang out together, the cross-country and the downhill. There must have been occasions where you must have been hanging out with a couple of characters from the
downhill scene, right? (laughter) – A few stories, yeah. But, no, the World is, I always liked, I always preferred being
in, I was at mountain bike, we started together with Junior
Worlds, or Worlds for me. We’re talking about in
the early days, ’93, ’94. Steve Peat, Warner, Will Longden, all in the same places,
all on the same team, and we didn’t consider
ourselves the cross-country or downhill, we were just mountain bike. – How does that work? Why was the dynamic working
in a situation like that where you’re all brought together for the first time that
year probably, right? – Yeah, it’s weird I think,
but I think, actually, there’s the differences
in what cross-country and downhill go personality-wise
off on the act side, the personas are doing different things, but in reality they’re not. – Right. – They’re all really professional,
all working bloody hard, all practicing hard. They’re just doing it on different bikes at different times in the day, and actually, the persona
is that one will talk about what they’ve had for dinner that day and one will talk about how many beers he can have next week. Actually during the one up to the race, they’re all doing the same stuff. – But there is one thing, though, right? There’s one thing that separates cross-country from downhill,
or at least in the past, and that was the skin suits. – Oh, yeah. – Now in the past, the British downhillers, any
downhillers for that matter, used to whinge and whine
about the skin suits, and at the real championships, “Oh, my God, we got to do this,” but that’s no longer the case, right? – No, no, they’re just
getting the sewing machine to their normal fit, right? (laughter) There’s some pretty tight
Marcos pants, right? (laughter) – Right, okay, so the
men’s race, Nino Schurter. – Yeah. – Unstoppable. His eighth World Championships, his fifth on the trot, I think? – Mental, absolutely bonkers. – Machine. – Absolutely machine, but if you
were going to design a course, we said about the
technicality of the course, but if you’re going to design
a circuit for Nino Schurter, Mont Saint-Anne, it’s right up his street. So it’s every climb, most
climbs are technical, they’re steep, really technical
with the sense, natural. You’ve got in there where
you’re like all the things he’s really strong at, Mont Saint-Anne is. Yeah, and he absolutely nailed it. – Is he actually weak at anything? – No. (laughter) No, not at all, and I
think if you’re going to say he was going to be, and
this is really critical, he’s 10 out of 10 on everything. If you’re going to give him one nine, it would be climbs over
kind of five minutes, but they don’t exist anymore. – Right. – They might have existed in ’96, but they don’t exist anymore. – His precision was pretty
startling, actually. His body position and his line, everything seemed to be the
replicate at every single lap. – Yeah, his technical skill is great, and some of the guys are
technically good enough once or twice, but it’s
just his processing, and how he can find new
lines, different lines, and hit that line every time, is up there with the really
good downhillers that I– – So how important is it? How important is it to hit your lines in a cross-country race like that? – I think Mont Saint-Anne even more so. So we saw in the women’s
race, got a lot of flats. In the men’s race, second and third, both had to have a flat and come back. – You’ve got to feel for
old Coach Palmer, right? – Oh, geez, yeah. – I mean, he was second,
he didn’t fall off. – Go into the woods– – Exactly, which is what? A kilometer from the finish? – Yeah, and comes out walking his bike with it’s inner tube out, not inner tube– – Devastating, devastating. – But that’s where Nino
was on his line every time. And Mont Saint Anne will catch you out if you go offline, same with the downhill, but to a– you know. More extreme. But if you go offline, you get caught out. Some tracks you get away with it. It’s too rocky, it’s too rough. – Yeah. – And that’s when you burst a tire. – Well it showed, you know, in the final it was down to a puncture which he had in the downhill final, but yeah, it’s really important. On tires then, what kind of tire pressures do you run on a cross country race like that, which has got loads of rocks– – I used to run about 22, 23. – 22! – 23. They’re getting less now. – What? – I’ve been quoted 17, 18. You think that’s low? – Crikey. – High? – Well I guess it’s my
weight, I’m 90 kilos. – The guys now have been just following some reports on bits and bobs, you know, the Scot guys with Nino and
Kate running wider rims, bigger tires, 17, 18– – When you say wider, what’s rim? – 30 mil. – On thirties? – Yeah, on 2.25, 2.23 tires. – Crikey. – And then running them
at like 70, 80 in PSI. – The downhills will be
running to 30 mil rims. – Yeah. Bigger tires, so trying to
get this lower pressure. And you’ve something like Mont Saint Anne. – Yeah. – So low tread. So hardly any tread but low pressure. – So what kind of weight tire then? Are we talking like sub kilo? – Or 400, 450g a tire. – Wow! – And again, that’s where, you were saying about throwing
the kitchen sink at it, you get more punctures at the worlds because people get lighter tires. So tires, it’s wheels and tires isn’t it? On a bike, that’s where your
rotational blah blah blah. So if you’re going to take weight off, that’s where you do it. And at worlds everyone
goes, you know what, I’ve got my light tires and I’ve got my super duper light tires. At a world cup, you’re
worried about the points, the rankings, the overall. But at the worlds, you just go sod it. – 450g. – Yeah. – Jack, you’ll never
have ridden a 450g tire in your life, right? (laughter) – Mental. And that’s what they’re
trying to get round and that’s why when, you know, you hit a rock with one of those, you can rip it or burp it, it’s pushing it pretty hard. – But yeah, amazing result. Now, I’ll ask you a question. What do Kristoff Souza, Marco
Fontana, Julian Absalon, Miguel Martinez have in common? – E bike racers. – Well no actually– (laughter) Four of them are Olympic gold medalists for this country. Four Olympic gold medalists. And you’re right, though. They’re e-bike racers. – Was that the most ecletic mountain bike world championship field
you’ve ever seen in your life? That was brilliant, what a mix up. Yeah, the old boys coming back. – Yeah and I think Jose
would wouldn’t ridden it but the last time he won
the world championship so– – Yeah. He was on the commentary with Rob. – Yeah and I think next
year you’ll see him at the world championships. What do you think about the whole business of e-bike racing? – I think at a worlds
level it’s a bit funny. E-bikes are cool, we sell
them at my bike shop, we’ve got guys involved, great. I can’t quite get my head around having a UCI worlds, quite. It enables people to go
riding fun more up things. There’s all the benefits
of e-mountain bikes. Having it as a UCI worlds, I don’t know, do you restrict them? Do you start having
doping tests for riders and then engineering tests? – Exactly. It’s not level is it? – So it’s a good thing
for the industry I’m sure. The guys that specialize to win the race will make a massive deal
of that, they’ll love it. – South Africa, another world champion. – Yeah, and then he’s
in the race on Sunday. It’s like at what point, you know, they’ll make it so if
you’re a current UCI racer, you’re not allowed to race it. If you haven’t got an Olympic title, are you not allowed to do it? – Right. Personally I think that e-bike racing, the previous week we
did a tour of Mont Blanc and Kristoff Souza and Marco Fontana were racing that. But like it’s more an endurance, it’s almost like Formula One, you’ve got to work out what mode, you’ve got to have a
strategy for your battery. I think maybe that’s where
e-bike racing should go, rather than the short punchy things where everyone’s going to
be riding in turbo anyway. – Yeah, I think rev and
ripping an hour and a half around Mont Saint Anne, I don’t know, I think there’s probably a
better way of doing it than that. – Yeah. – I think yeah, it’s getting
guys on mountain bikes. – Exactly. – And if it raises the profile and makes them more acceptable. – I guess it does inspire
other people to ride bikes, as you say. Right, downhill. – Yeah. – Downhill. That looked punishing. – I’m not an expert on the downhill, I’ve followed it for a long time. But as a fan, I watched that last night with my head in my hands. – But you are an expert
when it comes to training and obviously you guys
train Laurie Greenland, you’ve seen what effort he
puts into the preparation– – I’ve seen those guys over the years, when Peaty won his worlds. And we’re talking about kitchen sink, that guy when he won in 2009, you know. Equipment, training, prep. I did some stuff with Steve that year. – Oh did you? – Yeah we did quite a lot of
stuff through MB UK that year. And we kept bumping in, we did a big thing in Sheffield actually with the guys he was training with then and yeah, he was working,
that was 100% that year to get prep for that. And yeah, so my business
partner Andy Wadsworth trains Laurie, so physical training and a bit of the mental side as well. So I see him a couple of
times a week working hard and you see the transformation
over the last few years. – Laurie used to be a small lad but now he’s like a rugby
center now, isn’t he? – He’s a tough bastard now, yeah. (laughing) He’s square. But it’s usable. You see how hard those guys train and what they have to do. But when you see Mont Saint Anne, and I see it, you know
there’s a technical side, but I see what they’re
having to do physically, and that’s where Andy comes in. So he was a good mountain
biker in his time and he knows that what those
guys physically have to do, and I know some of the training things, and how they approach it and some of the indoor sessions they do on the bikes as well. The gym stuff. How that’s trying to link to that event. It’s so physical, mental. – It does look like one of
the most physical tracks on the circuit. You only have to talk to some of the pros and they say well I can’t actually hold onto the handle bars, you know, you can’t see
those things, can you? – If you broke down the downhill track into a physical four minutes, let’s say we have the downhill track and then you’re going to go right, this is the bit where you
hold onto the handle bars, this is the bit where you’re pedaling. And make that into like
a circuit in the gym, it would be bonkers. – I don’t think there’d be
many people going to the gym. – That’s what Laurie’s doing in the week. – Really. – Yeah. It’s here’s your downhill track, here’s what it’s like in the gym, go for your life. (laughter) – So when you’ve got a
season of world cup racing and you’ve got world championship comes during a hectic schedule, how do the riders manage
their intensities? I mean you can’t be 100% all the time. How does that work? – Yeah, I think for downhill, I was thinking about this in the week, I saw Laurie and he
just looked so relaxed. And you think he’s going with confidence, so I think that downhill is
you’ve got your physicality, but the most important
thing is the confidence. I think for those guys. If they go with confidence
because they’ve had a win or ride, they’re in good shape. So I think it’s a mental aspect. Physically they’re probably
staying similar most years. For cross country it’s the physical aspect is obviously bigger. And for those guys trying
to manage, you know, Kate Courtney, great start
to the year, drifted off, I don’t know what’s going on but she’s trying to manage
that early season form, make it last a year is difficult. And then you see some
people that come through. – You talk about confidence there, Aaron Gwin, the place where lots of people were having comebacks. In the women’s we had Myriam
Nicole, out with injury, Tahnee Seagrave out with an injury. And also Aaron Gwin. Now, there’s a guy who’s
obviously been struggling earlier in the year. He was not up to speed the first race and then injuries and stuff like that. But it is a place where
there have been some comebacks over the years. Sam Hill came back in 2010 and won the world championships there. And so it happened in
the women’s downhill. Myriam Nicole took the win there. From Tahnee Seagrave. But I think it’s great to see those guys back on the circuit. – Everyone wants to race
against the top guys. – Exactly. – Whatever the discipline
or whatever the race, everyone wants to see the best guys there. And everyone racing,
if you’re going to win, you want to win against the best guys. You don’t want to somebody, well you know I’ve had
that a couple of times not a world level but a lower level, yeah well, but– (laughter) There’s a but. You can only race who’s there. But there’s still a but. You want to beat the best guys. – Yeah I don’t think there’s any buts about Myriam Nicole. And it lines things up for the final race, which is in Snowshoe, which is on the east coast
of America next week. So massive battle between
Tahnee and Myriam next week for the final world cup race. But yeah, what a track. If it looks tough on TV, now the men’s race scared
the (beep) out of me, I have to say. – I had my head in my hands a few times. – It was like– And it got progressively scarier. As the race went by. Matt Walker from New
Zealand was in the hot seat for hours on end. There’d been lots of talk during the week, Minnaar’s going to do something
special, and he did, he put an immaculate run down. And it blows my mind when you see Minnaar, you see him going down the hill and it’s like is there something wrong? Is he actually pushing there? He doesn’t use any– – Yeah, he’s crazy smooth. – Unnecessary movement. – There’s similarities
between him and Nino. In the cross country. – There is, isn’t there? – Yeah, they’ve been doing it for years, multiple world champions but they just get it, they’re not ragged at all, you know, they’re not going to get the flat tire, because everything is on point. – They know exactly how
to apply themselves. Actually I was going to
talk to you about that. With the ages of the women seem to be in the late 20s whereas the men in the cross country was like more in the 30s. Is that a trend that’s happening? – I think as cross country
has got shorter racing, less endurance and more
speed and tech focused, I think that suits
younger people a bit more so ages in general have
come back a little bit. And I think they’ll keep coming back as it gets faster and faster I think. You’re getting races now that
are under an hour and a half. – Yeah. Sorry to move away from
downhill to cross country. Let’s go back to downhill. So where were we, we were on Greg Minnaar who put the race together. And then Laurie. Your man Laurie came down, he was green a lot of the way down and then he went wrong on the step. Everyone thought he’d made a mistake but as it transpired, he had a puncture. I reckon Laurie could’ve
had that race, you know. – On that big rock slab where people, the gap jumper thing, I’ve never seen someone
go out the screen before. – Exactly. (laughter) – When someone goes out the screen– Right, how’s this work? And then he suddenly popped in again and just carried on riding. – And he got over the line and he was only half a second off or something like that? Still close. – Yeah, mental. – And then Pierron came down, Amaury Pierron another of those guys who’s been chucking the kitchen
sink at races this year. And he looked fast up
the top, really fast. Obviously a bigger guy, he’s going to be carrying
maybe a little bit more momentum. 70km an hour through the speed trap, that’s trucking on that is. – You could see they were
just all over the place weren’t they? The bikes were. It was absolutely insane. – It’s great for the sport, to see that. Now, Pierron obviously he
knew he’d made a mistake. And then Danny Hart came down afterwards and you could see in Danny’s eyes he thought, he’s not happy
with what he’s done there. And then Brosnan comes down and I think Brosnan
thought he’d won the race. He was two and a half seconds up. Maybe he celebrated a bit too early, Oli? – I think you just got
beaten by the better guy. I think they both had
great runs, didn’t they? From what I could see. – But he obviously got carried away by the emotion of it and
he was like punching– – I think if you’ve had
a great run like that and you’ve finished, smooth, nailed it, you’ve got to be pretty confident in it. (laughter) And you go actually, I couldn’t
do a single thing better. You’re probably a bit excited. – But then to see Loic Bruni go green. – Yeah. – Mindblowing. And the bike was all over the place, his body was all over the place. Jack, what have you got to say about it? – [Jack] It wasn’t that ragged but he was ragged for maybe Bruni. – In a sport that is dominated
by Fox and Rock Shocks, to see like the Swedish brand Olin, sort of get another– – Yeah you see their mechanics at the end. Obviously pretty pumped. – Yeah they were really pumped. You could see on the TV they
were very happy with that. So it looks like things are
going to be ratcheted up in the final of the world cup at Snowshoe on the weekend. – Yeah, it’s going to be a good race. – Cross country. Women’s cross country. Jolanda Neff and Kate
Courtney battling it out for the win there. – Yeah, they’re pretty close together. 70 points or something between them. And they’ve got 370 I think
you get if you win both. – Yeah. – So they’ve got a big scrap. – So Shirter obviously
has wrapped that up. – Yeah, with him and Van der Poel missing, he’s racing road worlds, so I don’t think he’s suddenly going to go from road worlds to
Snowshoe, I don’t know. – No. Kate Courtney, amazing. Aaron Gwyn came on the scene around 2012.. America has been pretty
strong in the last six or seven years, right? And it’s the same in cross country too. – I mean cross country’s had
a bit of a resurgence lately. So Kate Courtney obviously leading that. But the Americans had
three women in the top 20, top 50 on the weekend? So they’re looking strong
not just as a nation but also it starts
qualifying Olympic places. So we’re in that process now of qualifying nations
and rankings for that. So they’re looking really strong. – So in the downhill, Aaron Gywn. Aaron Gywn I’d imagine
he’d be disappointed with his result, he was
12th on the weekend. But a load of American racers, Charlie Harrison, Dakota Norton, doing pretty strongly, but it’s got to be
Bruni, Brosnan or Pierron at the final, right? I’m sure Bruni will take some stopping. – Looks that way, doesn’t it? – It does yeah. In the women, like we mentioned earlier, Miriam Nicole and Tanya Seagrave, that’s going to be an amazing battle. Oli, thanks for coming in. Nice to get some insight from your previous world championships. Can’t believe you did so many of them. – My back’s telling me
I have, that’s for sure. (laughter) – Great, well hopefully join you next week from Snowshoe on the
east coast of America. – Another good week’s racing. – Yeah.

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