The GMBN Podcast Ep. 9 | How Has Mountain Biking Changed?| GMBN Retro Week

The GMBN Podcast Ep. 9 | How Has Mountain Biking Changed?| GMBN Retro Week

– Right before the podcast starts, I’ve got an apology to make. Doddy’s microphone didn’t
work in this, unfortunately. We didn’t realize, we
recorded it, didn’t work. So Doddy’s going to sound a bit weird, not as good as himself
on mic sound of course. His microphone isn’t working but you’ll get used to it after a while, anyway here it comes. (video player clicks) (upbeat music) Okay, it’s the Mountain Bike
podcast, presented by GMBN. This week is a retro podcast, we got retro week going on on YouTube, on the channel, with loads of old bike
shenanigans going on. So I thought why not get some of the old schoolers into a room, myself included of course. We got Martyn. – Hello. – And Doddy. – All right. – To talk about how mountain biking has changed over the years. All sorts really, bring
up some funny stories. I guess we’ve all been riding a long time. For me the early, mid-’90s when I started, and that was like the heyday for me. I used to consume everything mountain bike and so got lots of good stories. But I guess we’re all
pretty similar around that. – Yeah, I think the first time was about, well, actually ’89. – All right. – My dad’s mate he used
to play badminton with, he brought home the
very first copy of MBUK. – Why? – And he gave it to me,
might want to read that. – So MBUK has been around
longer than I thought. – Yeah, I think October ’88, I think. Rings a bell, maybe earlier, but it was in ’88 it
unofficially launched. – Wow, that’s amazing. I’m trying to think when I
first got into mountain biking. But I don’t think I got into
it as early as you did, Doddy. But I remember the first, I’ve
got one up on my screen now. I remember the first mountain bike I saw and it was a Raleigh Maverick. And it would’ve been in
about 1985, or maybe ’86. Looking at this picture, ’85 or ’86, but I remember seeing my
brother ride it around at a big horse event, And Raleigh had like a trade stand there, and they were showing off this new thing, and the incredible thing about it, was what it could climb up, Because it had this granny
ring that was just a new thing. No bikes had granny rings. – Were they called granny rings then? Probably not. – You know what, I don’t know, but I just remember him going,
“I can ride up any hill.” And he was just blown away about it, and it was too big for me. I would never have been able
to get on it at that point but I remember these super wide handlebars and just like knobbly tires, and when you look back at it, it looks horrendous. – It looks kind of like a touring bike. – Yeah but, at the time
I just remember thinking, oh my God, that’s the coolest thing ever. And my brother who was, who could ride it, was just like, that was it, he just thought it was the
greatest thing ever invented. – I sort of remember, it might
have been the Raleigh Burner colors, but almost like
the colors of this T-shirt. You know the lines of
like yellow and blue. Hologram stickers. – It also had the
stripes on it, didn’t it? – I guess it’s probably later. But mountain biking isn’t
really very old at all. We’re talking late ’70s early ’80s. That was early on in the days
of mountain biking, really. – Me and Doddy went to
Marin County last year to go and do a tour of the Mountain Bike
Museum and Hall of Fame, and met Gary Fisher,
Charlie Kelly, Joe Breeze, all those people, and it was cool. It’s definitely before
my time mountain biking but great to learn about it, and that video is coming
out this weekend hopefully. But it’s cool to see, the bikes going through the years and how much they changed as well. So much in those early days. – So, Gary Fisher, he’s someone
I kind of know his history, that he was there at the very beginning, but what’s he like? I’ve never actually met Gary Fisher. What’s he like to meet? – Very charismatic. He’s– – [Doddy] Astute, he’s a
businessman that’s for sure. – Slightly older, older gentleman. What I was surprised to see is actually, he’s just had a baby. How old is he? Late 70s? – Too old, I wouldn’t want to guess. – Maybe that’s wrong of me to guess, but. – Wow, just had a baby. – Still very active. – Who’s your Dad? Gary Fisher. (laughs) That’s crazy. – But it’s funny, he
was a roadi recently. – A really good roadie? – Is that right? – Yeah, really quite established one. – In Cedar Falls in California. – I didn’t know that at all. – And he was doing a lot of cyclo-cross before it had a name. (laughs) So he was kind of a bit of a
pioneer in a lot of things, before he came to mountain biking. – Yeah, but every time I
see like a photo of him, or I see a magazine shoot. He’s always dressed in
some very quirky clothes and so he’s got like some kind
of crazy mustache going on and weird glasses. So is he like a kooky guy? – Definitely. But he was cool. He invited us into his house–
– So welcoming, isn’t he? We sat there for a couple of hours and just asked him questions,
listened to his stories. All really, really interesting. And he’s got loads of stuff
knocking around the house, old bits of frames and, he’s still working on
lots of really positive cycle advocacy schemes trying to get more people
riding bikes worldwide. Really interesting actually. – And a lot of it was
e-bike related actually, which was quite cool to hear. – That’s the reason he
was involved with Trek. So Gary Fisher, the brand,
was bought out by Trek a long time ago I ‘spose. And he works for them now. – That’s interesting actually, innit? ‘Cause Gary Fisher was bought out by Trek, but what have they done with that brand. I mean, is it still a big
part of their kind of range? – It’s not really, no. It was Fisher Bikes for quite a long time and was part of the Trek range, they always had Fisher as a side range. Obviously had his geometry,
his G2 and his G1. So his Genesis. So he was pushing longer
bikes to start with and then putting more offset to make the handling
feel like a shorter bike. I guess they’re just using that technology and moved that across to
some of the Trek range. I guess Trek just is a
bigger brand, isn’t it? There’s more to do. – And how much was he bought out for? I mean do you know those numbers Doddy? You know the numbers
of everything, come on. – I’d expect he’s done quite
well over the years, I think. – Yeah, yeah, I hope so. – He seemed like a quite comfortable man. – Yeah, I hope so, I hope so. – Another brand I was thinking of, Klein. They were very cool. I remember, so when I grew up there was a few pros in my town, Ian Collins and Andrew Titley. – I’m sure Titley had a
sort of pinkey, purple. – Yeah, the Attitude. – Yeah, riding around town
like that, I was blown away. – Beautiful bike. – I think they were
bought by Trek as well, Klein Bikes? – Yeah, I think you’re right. – I might be wrong. – Yeah, it was Gary Klein who designed them originally, yeah. – Those were one of the first bikes that got me really excited
about mountain bikes. I remember seeing Tinker Juarez, I think it was Tinker Juarez, on a Klein, and just being like, I mean he looked cool too. – [Doddy] His were all custom painted which made ’em even cooler. – And I just remember
it looking so radical, and just the colors being
so, well, of that time, that was like early ’90s. – The one-piece bar stand,
do you remember that? – Yeah, the Mission Control, that thing was amazing. And they developed their
own head tube size, and their own one-piece fork. – Be worth a lot of money nowadays, I would imagine. I bet there’s lots of retro enthusiasts who’d pay a lot of money
for those sort of bikes. ‘Cause it is a big scene now, of course. It was good to be in Marin County, actually we rode Repack, or
I pushed out and rode Repack. Which was before my time, all that stuff, but I’d learnt about it
through magazines like MBUK, and learnt the history
of mountain biking a bit, and that is where they first
started racing mountain bikes, just a bunch of mates, pushing
to the top of this hill, and bombing down this fire road. And, in the old book, that I think you’ve got with you, Doddy– – I’ve got a copy there, yeah. – It’s got the original times, and there’s a rock at the top, and a rock at the bottom, so you start with your foot on the rock, and you race to the bottom, then put your foot on the rock. And I did it, and it has changed. Like Charlie Kelly was keen
to say how it has changed. But it’s still the same fire road, definitely a different surface, but I put a time in, and I thought it was pretty good, on this cheap trek hardtail, with a big beach cruiser
seat I found in the hotel. And I was like a minute and a
half off Gary Fisher’s time. – Now I’ve got a bit of
a theory here, right. Because you’ve already said Gary Fisher was a very astute man, right. Now if I was a very astute man, what I would do, is go
down to that finishing rock and move it 200 meters
further down the road– – That sounds like cheating. – And say, “That’s the rock I would always “have put my foot on,
because, well, over time, “ooh, it’s changed.” And suddenly, you’ve created a time that’s forever unbeatable. – Well, I couldn’t believe it, ’cause they were just
wearing double denim, jeans and shirts, bombing down the hill– – Just with coaster
breaks, it’s pretty nuts. – Pre-helmets, of course. And they must have been going, 40, 50 mile an hour at points, down a gnarly fire road with a big exposure on the one side. – What you never see in the photos is how steep some of the
bottom parts of it actually is. Quite surprising. – Really. – And I got to drift
around this one corner that is super famous, actually I think it’s on the
cover of that book there. The picture that I remember
of Repack, as I rode, I was trying to remake that on
my crap beach cruiser thing. (laughs) But fun, amazing, but sketchy. I had crap tires, as they
would have had, worse tires, and it was very sketchy. You’d want your jeans on, to be fair. – It’s incredible when you think about that period of mountain biking and you can say something like what you just said, “pre-helmet.” (laughs) Like, what? Like what the hell is that all about? You can’t do mountain
biking without a helmet on. But that’s how it started. – That’s the way it was. Even a lot of road
racers, back in the day, none of them would wear helmets until not that long
ago, when it was made– – No, it really wasn’t. I think the first were like those leather, sausage hat things. – Horrible-looking things. – I can’t imagine they’d beat anything. – They could take the
helmets off, as well, until the early 2000s. If they finished on a climb, they could drop their helmets
at the bottom of the climb and ride up without it. (laughs)
– Just mad. – It’s crazy. That is crazy. – Oh, it’s definitely a recommend, if anyone’s in San Francisco, to go up to Fairfax and
check out that museum. It is amazing. You need to check the opening hours, I don’t think it’s every
day, but, you know, it’s worth a look. – Well let’s talk about the bikes. What’s the bike for
you that defines retro, where our subject this week is retro, so what’s the bike? ‘Cause that Klein, for me, is kind of where I would start it. I’d be like, “Wow, that looked different.” It was the fat tubing, it was something that Cannondale
was introducing, as well. – Cannondale, did you ride some of those sort of fat tubed Cannondales? The really famous one for me was your red hardtail
that you did trials on, but that was– – I rode a Cannondale, but I didn’t start riding a Cannondale until 1995. I remember seeing a friend
at school with a Cannondale that had that kind of
blue-white-red colorway on it. That would have been 1992, or 3, and I just remember thinking, oh my God, that’s the coolest bike I’ve ever seen. I weirdly later found out, actually, that the kid who had that bike, he used to always have
incredible mountain bikes, and he worked in a mountain bike shop, and he later got caught for actually stealing all of those bikes. (laughs) And in later years, turned up in the mountain bike industry himself, and worked for Cannondale, weirdly enough. So, he started his career as a– – His name’s not Ian is it? – No, I’m not going to mention his name. He’s a really nice guy, but yeah, maybe a slightly troubled youth. (laughs) – Clive Gosling? – Let’s stop mentioning names, but it wasn’t Clive Gosling either, no. – For me, I was instantly just attracted to downhill, straightaway, so I raced within two weeks
of getting my first bike, so for me it was always
those bikes I really wanted. And actually, mid 90s, there
weren’t downhill bikes as such, but things like the GT RTS. Was a guy at school had the Team RTS with a Tioga Disk Drive on the back. That was a really expensive bike, I couldn’t believe he had that bike, and rode it to school
as a 15, 16 year old. – That’s mental, really, isn’t it? – And he raced, actually. The yellow Magura hydraulic brakes, just proper dream bike. And then a friend of mine got an LTS in anodized
red, when that came out, and that was the coolest
thing I’d ever seen. – Yeah, yeah. Those bikes are
unbelievable, unbelievable. – And then it went to LTS Downhill, So Nicolas Vouilloz was riding that, with the bend in the seat tube. I still now have an alert on eBay, if anyone of those pops up on eBay. (laughs) – You should offer Nico
some cash for his one. – I didn’t love that bend– – Nico’s got some, yeah. – Has he? I mean, imagine having one of his ones. – He’s got a handful of them, yeah. – ‘Cause his ones have probably got like slightly different geometry, or– – A 65-degree head angles back then. It’s insane. – It was just, I remember a
picture of him at Camp Dye on that bike, and it was
just the coolest thing I’ve ever seen. – That’s unbelievable. What about that bent down tube though, got the seat tube on it? I just never, I never liked all that. – I liked it. – That was on the
downhill model, wasn’t it? – Yeah. – ‘Cause that made it a downhill bike. ‘Cause it just made
everything look slacker. I liked it. – I never got on with that. It always hurt my eyes. My eyes would get distracted. – What would you have, Doddy, if you could pick any four? – Easy choice for me is a AMP Research B2, which might sound like
an alien bike to people, but a lot of people would know it as the Mongoose Amplifier. So it was the first bike
really to have the FSR link, which, of course, the Horst link, that’s the designer, Horst Leitner. He actually designed that for Specialized, and they licensed it, and
they still use it now. – With that fork, the old leading — – Yeah, the F1 sort of
linkage fork on the front. – That must have been heavy, that thing. – It wasn’t that heavy, actually. The whole bike weighed 23
pounds, in a size medium, which is as light as a cross-country bike, when it came out in ’93, And I think everyone laughed at it, ’cause it was full suspension. But I remember seeing one, I was racing at Eastbrake. And I had a Saracen Kili
Pro Elite or something, and I saw this guy on the Mongoose, and I was like, “That’s
the best looking bike “I’ve ever seen.” Fully polished, twin down tube, it was so nice. Everything else looked really clunky, and the top tubes sloped the wrong way. It was the first one that
looked really aggressive. – What is easy to forget
about those ’90s bikes is they almost all broke if
you tried to ride them hard. I’ve still got my very first
bike, the Kona Lava Dome, which we’ve done videos on this week, but after that, I broke every frame I had, until about 2001, just ’cause eventually you
would crack the head tube. I’m sure you’ve broken
plenty of bikes, Martyn. – Oh, God, I’ve broken a lot of bikes. It’s actually kind of heartbreaking. I’ve really never liked breaking bikes. But sometimes a bike would just… Unfortunately, some of
the bikes I had to break, I had to break, because
I’d finished using it, and the brand that I rode for didn’t want those bikes
getting circulated, so you had to actually break
them, and it was like– – Really? It’s a bit like the HRC Honda thing, where they crushed those bikes– – Oh it was horrible. Yeah, you had to stand
on the rear chainstays to flatten them, and it was just such a
horrible thing to do, ’cause basically, when
you’re finished with ’em, usually it would be because they don’t look quite up to scratch, but basically was still a
fantastic, nearly new bike, and then you’d have to just end it, and it would be like killing something, it was terrible. – I guess yours was probably
all prototypes as well. – Well yeah, they were all prototypes, or they had prototype custom-like
paint jobs on them, or… Sometimes it was for just
the most tiny reason, like they were using cable mounts that they hadn’t decided
they were going to use yet, or something like that, and it would be something
like, “But it’s nothing, “what difference does it make?” But they didn’t want anything out there, ’cause it affects warranties, and … So yeah, you broke a bike because nearly no reason at all. (laughs) – But from the outside point of view, I remember growing up
and hearing these stories in a few of the magazines, about once you had a prototype bike you had to get rid of it. And the fact that they
were like hen’s teeth just made everyone want one
of those bikes even more. ‘Cause I had a replica. I think I had like an
F700, or something similar. And I dressed it up to try and
look like one of your bikes. – But there was hardly
any difference, though. It was almost always
like the sticker pack, or something like that.
– Slight difference, that’s what made it cool. – Well, I like to think so. (laughs) Yeah, some of the bikes
that the downhill riders had were just– – Well Cannondale, at that time–
– out of this world bikes. – were Berserk bikes, weren’t they? It’s funny we’re talking about this, ’cause actually, when I first started, my first bike, I got really
into it straightaway, went to the Bike Show at Olympia
in ’95, and you were there, jumping off the balcony with Martin Hawes and the Cannondales. I would imagine Hans Rey was there, but I definitely remember you two guys, that was one of my biggest
memories of that place. – I think it would have been 1997. – Maybe, yeah. – And I don’t think Hans
would have gone that year. But that event, and I guess those kind of events, back in the mid-’90s, those events were happening
all around the world, where there would be big industry shows, where a lot of people going to watch, because the energy behind
mountain biking had got so big at that point. It was basically the fastest
growing sport on the planet, and that was quite often
touted by the industry, to say like, “This is
it, this is the sport.” And later on, snowboarding
kind of overtook it a bit. But mountain biking had such a huge upsurge. – I remember it being so
exciting as like a 15-year-old to save my money all year to go there and spend it all on whatever, some sort of hoodie, a set of bars, a set of Airwalk shoes, and then watch all your
favorite riders ride. To be fair, most of it, the
trials were really good, but do you remember, round the top, there was just like a track
that people would pedal round? You get a little bit of
a ramp, and that was it. It was a bit crap. – But you could go up there
and ride round that track, and someone like Rob
Warner would ride past you, or something, ’cause they were there too, just hanging out,
– there’d be a bunny-hop– – There’s like one of the
biggest stars in sport, just rolling around. – There’d be a big bunny-hop
competition as well, with people like Warner and yourself, and Steve Gill doing all these things. – Well, if Steve Gill
turned up, it was over. – He’s good, isn’t he? – He was amazing. He turned up at one of the bike shows, and there wouldn’t have been
anyone else in the world who would have been anywhere near him on bunny hop at the time. He turned up, we were all desperately trying
to scrape over 40 inches, which would be, how high is that in meters? Anyone know? – No. It’s high enough though. – I dunno, maybe 1 meter
10, something like that. And he come up, and he did like
46 inches in the first show. And we were all just like, well– – What’s the point? – Well, Jez Avery was like, “Career over.” (laughs) – And it was. – He’s still going.
– Actually, it wasn’t. I follow him on Instagram. He’s amazing, check him
out, @Jez_avery_stunt_shows, I think it is. He does amazing stunt shows now. And he must be 50– – Trials bikes, buggies and all sorts. – 50, 52 years old, I’m sure. – Going to say something
controversial here, but do you remember
Dirt, not the magazine, the video, the VHS video? There’s probably one behind me. – Yes. There is one in here.
– I didn’t really like it. I definitely did not
like Jez Avery’s section. There it is. What I really did like, is JMC– – [Doddy] Well that’s
massively influential. – That was pretty much it. – I mean, the image on
the front of that video, and I’m just holding up
a Mountain Bike UK video called “Dirt,” with
Jason McRoy on the front, riding his Specialized,
doing a one-footed manual, he’s got no top on, no helmet. He looks like Kurt Cobain. – I actually bid–
– A pair of Vans. You could sell a whole sport off of that. I mean that’s incredible–
– I bid quite a lot of money on eBay for that bike, didn’t get it. I gave up after a couple
of grand, I think. – What’s incredible is that bike, unlike a lot of the bikes you look at back in retro sort of times, it still looks good. – So, I’ve sat on that actual bike. At Muswell’s last year, collector brought that one and his FSR, and you look at it in the
flesh, it’s not far off, modern sort of slalom bikes, jump bikes. – It’s a very, very cool bike.
– It’s on the money. – I mean, that bike, that almost is the epitome of what mountain biking was
delivering at that time. Something that just wasn’t– – There it is. Well, mid ’90s definitely, wasn’t it? – Yeah. I think a few cheeky
people have uploaded that onto the web, you can find it. – Back in those days, there wasn’t much mountain
biking stuff to consume, so everything that was out, you’d just watch over
and over and over again. “Mud Cows,” I was watching
that on YouTube earlier. The Aussies burst onto the
scene noisily and messily. – Absolutely crazy. So, interesting thing about “Mud Cows,” the guy who put all that
together was Glen Jacobs. He did a lot of World Cup cup-building. Now he told me a story that, Marin County is well-documented as being, just jumping back here a little bit, as being the home of mountain biking, where it started, and he was like, “Well actually, we were
doing the same thing, “at the same time, in
Australia, so what’s to say that we weren’t first?” – Yeah. There’s been a few of those. – Look at Canada, it’s had
that as well, on the the Shore. Now Wade Simmons lived
on the Shore in ’91, and he was starting a brand new scene, coming from BMX into mountain biking, and he was saying it way
pre-dates when he was there. – There was a bit of that, I felt, a little bit with the
whole freeride thing, jumping forward a lot of years. How the Fro Riders invented freeride, and actually, you’ve not got too far away
from people like Steve Gill, and BMX riders in the UK, jumping on mountain bikes and
doing some pretty big things, even when the Canadians, they got a lot of recognition for it, rightly so, but it definitely wasn’t
just them doing it. – For sure. But I think, it probably helped, the fact that they’ve
got skiing on their side, so you could pretty much
just put them side by side and identify it as a brand new thing. You’re right, it was, it was
definitely going on elsewhere. Americans shouted about it
loudest, that’s for sure. – I’m looking at Wikipedia now, the UCI Mountain Bike World
Champs kicked off in 1990 was the first official
Mountain Bike World Champs, so it took a while to get
going, really, officially. Racing-wise, at least. In Durango. I raced a World Cup down on
Durango in the early 2000s. It was cool to go there, actually, and be part of that. – I’m trying to imagine, what would the course
have been like in 1990, for a downhill race? – It was pretty much fire roads. It was quite big. I seem to remember it being
like six, seven minutes. It’s a big mountain, it’s
a really high altitude. And they bombed down it. And there was all that controversy. – [Doddy] Herbold? – Yeah, Greg Herbold won
the men’s first ever– – And what is the controversy? – That he cut the course. – No! – Is the rumor. – There was an old web story–
– No! – That he cut the course in 1990. – No! – It’s all based on rumors, of course. HB is a legend. He’s been in the scene since then, he’s helped RockShox with the RS-1 fork. He used to wear the old Troy Lee kit, way back, before anyone was
wearing any of that stuff. – I’m thinking of Echo
helmets and Greg Herbold, Troy Lee– – Oh, Etto as well, yeah, yeah. That’s right, the adjust ones. And the disk wheels, all that stuff. – He was quite a style
icon for quite a few years. Remember that AXO
clothing he used to wear? – Kevlar tights. – Disgusting. – Crazy colors. But somehow he could get away with it. – Did he? – It’s kind of like, the blond locks– – The image was not working. – Flowing out the back
of his helmet, amazing. (laughs) Our image was so confused
for so long, wasn’t it? Still not quite got one. Still kind of borrow it– – Me and Doddy haven’t really ever stepped out of that image. Neil, you came later, but
we’re still struggling to leave that stuff behind. – Looking at who won the
Champs after Herbold, there’s Albert Iten. I’ll use that as a quiz
question somewhere, ’cause I’ve never heard
of that guy before. – I have never heard of that man. – He used to ride
alongside Philippe Perakis. – I’ve heard of that man. – On the Signal bikes. – Albert Iten, a World-Championship-Winning
mountain biker and I’ve never heard of him. – And there’s Dave Cullinan,
a legend, American. Mike King, another early
legend, came from BMX, Francois Gachet, and then it goes into
Nicolas Vouillez’s era. Where things got, more serious, probably, and Nico just started winning everything, and Shaun Palmer came along, and for me, being a
impressionable 18-year-old, maybe slightly younger,
and seeing someone dressing in Fox kit, riding intense bike. I’d definitely grown up on
American movies and things, and for me that was like
the new cool of downhill. It changed the sport, as
everyone probably knows, if they know anything about the history of mountain biking. It was cool, being
there at the right time, to witness all that stuff happen. – I mean, Shaun Palmer was … It’s weird to think back now and think there’s obviously
lots of young riders now who would never even
contemplate who Shaun Palmer is or what he did to the sport. There are names like Shaun
Palmer, for sure, in downhill, but there’s people in
cross-country as well. I’m trying to think of someone who would have been really impressionable in the early ’90s in cross-country. – Tomac. – Tomac, of course. But maybe someone like Juli Furtardo? – Yeah, she won the first one. – Used to ride downhill as well. – Yeah, she would have been someone we would have been seeing
an awful lot on Eurosport, each World Cup was being live streamed, so you could watch those races, and Juli Furtardo would
have been someone winning week in, week out. Alison Sydor– – Alison Sydor. – Obviously, that’s where I would have been seeing
Tinker Juarez and Tomac. – [Doddy] And little Sarah
Valentine, do you remember her? – Yes, yeah. People like Tim Gould. – Came third. – A British rider who really
was an incredible talent. – Bronze, the first ever. – [Doddy] He was uphill
World Champion as well. – He could climb like– – [Doddy] He used to do the Azacumac, which is a kamikaze climb. (laughs) – [Doddy] Imagine trying to ride up that! – Yeah, that’s crazy. – Just looking at the
early World Champs winners, Cross-Country Mens, there’s definitely a bit of a crossover between road and
cross-country to begin with. And that, for me, is shown
most famously really, with Michael Rasmussen
and Filip Meirhaeghe, two guys that got popped for doping. I mean that was the time when it was going on massively in roads, so late ’90s, early 2000s, but there’s definitely some
names there you think, oh yeah. Ryder Hesjedal, I don’t
know if he ever got done. – I think you’ve just done him. (laughs) – But, he is a roadie. Filip Meirhaeghe, Ryder
Hesjedal, and Roel Paulissen, first three at the 2003 Lugano. – Cadel Evans used to be
a mountain biker as well before he switched over. – I was lucky enough to be
on a team with Cadel Evans, actually, and he is quite
a strange character. I guess, like most roadies, he’s quite sort of– – Fat. – Bit of an oddball,
in the sense that like, and when I say, I’m generalizing roadies as in top-flight pro roadies, they’re people who’ve spent a lot of time at the very edge of their limits, and I think it may have
some mental effect. Because I think you’ve got to be a certain type of person
to put yourself through that amount of pain. And I think Cadel was one of those people that you’d see him train and just think, my God, that is something, that is of a level I just
don’t even understand. And my body is never, ever going to know what he’s going through. But somehow he had this mental ability to just try and kill himself, on just how far and
how long he would ride. When he came to our team, we were all just blown away, and we had some serious
cross-country riders on that team at the time. And he came and schooled ’em. They were all like, “Oh right, we’re not, “we aren’t of this kid’s level.” And he wasn’t winning then, but he was obviously about to. – [Doddy] He was a cool rider back then. – Yeah, he’s got some great riding skills. Really good. – He was in that
“Chainsmoking” video, way back, that Fox made with, and
they had Palmer in there, and Kirt Voreis, all of the sort of influential Americans, I guess, at the time, mostly. – He was definitely a very cool rider. Interesting dude. – 2003 Lugano, Meirhaeghe got Gold, Ryder Hesjedal, Silver,
and Roel Paulissen, Bronze. All three of them been done for doping. (laughs) – Wow. I mean, there was definitely a dark time, when you go back to those retro days, there was definitely a dark time for cross-country mountain biking. It would have been the World Champs you first went to, Neil, in Chateau– – No, I was a couple of years
later than that, Are, Sweden. – I went to Chateau-d’Oex World Champs, and one of the French team was pulled up for running up and down the stairs in the middle of the night, trying to keep his heart beating. And the police caught him
in the middle of the night, and he was just like, “I’m
just going for a jog.” And it was like three
o’clock in the morning. Why would you do that? – I’ve heard that same
story at different races, quite a lot in those days. – I think maybe it happened lots of times. I remember there being a real bust on the French team’s hotel, and riders disappearing. – They were golden days, weren’t it? – You would hear the
rumors, but being downhill, I don’t think there’s anyone ever really. There’s been sort of weed offenses, but no one’s been done for
performance-enhancing doping, as far as I’m aware, on the
downhill World Championship. – Downhill riders don’t do
performance-enhancing drugs, they do performance debilitating drugs. (laughs) – It’s really interesting to hear what was going on in the teams with potentially cross-country people. – Well I always thought, when a team suddenly signs a doctor, you start wondering what’s going on. ‘Cause what do we need a doctor for? Physio, yes. Doctor? (laughs) Some serious skills. I raced that ’99 World Champs in Sweden, as a junior. That was the one that Palmer
crashed across the finish line. I think Nico was going to win anyway but I remember that being
just an amazing thing to be at a World Champs and racing. Nathan Rennie won the
junior mens by a mile. It was like 12 seconds, or something. – It’s hard to imagine Nathan
Rennie ever being a junior. – Yeah, he was massive. – Massively massive. – And he broke his ankle
at the after party, jumping off something. – Can’t say I’m not surprised. – Nicolas Pickles won
that, Mikhal Pascal second. Eric Carter third. – I broke the World Bunny Hop record at the after party at that event. – Did you? – How high was that then? – It was not as high as I’d have liked. It was probably about 44, for the side hop World Record, not forward, so it would have been like 44 inches, something like that. You know, I had a few inches in the bag, so I’d always just do it a little bit more at lots of events and keep breaking it. (laughs) I knew how high I could go, and I just thought, I’ll just keep pushing it up. But I remember that party–
– Yeah that was good that was. – I started the beginning of the night breaking a World Record, and I think I broke a new puking record by the end of it. (laughs) – It didn’t stop raining for
the 10 days we were there. – That was a tough event. – Talking about early 2000s, late ’90s, people like Nico just dominated, Anne-Caroline Chausson, on downhill alone, just unbeatable forces,
almost, at the time. And the bikes were really changing, sort of mid- to late ’90s. If you were on the right bike, it would make a massive difference. Slightly earlier than that, with things like Sunn Chippie,
do you remember that team? – [Doddy] She had a Radical Plus – Amazing. A friend of mine, she used to have one, and it was just so ahead of its time, that if you didn’t have that bike, you just couldn’t go as fast. – I think there’s a weird thing with a lot of the French racers, there’s a lot of correlation with their bike
development over the years. They seem so much more focused on getting the right
setup, right geometry, and the right suspension, way more than anyone else seemed to be. They got on with it,
and they just nailed it. – They had Nico, Pascal,
Cedric Grassier, Fabien Barel. – Anne-Caroline. – Anne-Caroline, yeah. Just an incredible team at the time, and probably more people than that, than I can remember. – It was unbelievable. Am I right in thinking that once Nico went to GT, which year would he have gone to GT? Not sure what year he
would have gone to GT. – He was GT earlier, wasn’t he, and then he went to the Sunn. – Oh is that right? – ‘Cause he got on a bike
that was a lot heavier. ‘Cause the Sunn, I don’t
think it was alloy steel, but it was a lot heavier than GTs. – I just can’t remember. – But then the bike ended
up being far better. – The GTs weren’t that
great really, were they? Cool as they all looked. – He developed his own bikes, didn’t he? – Yeah, that’s what I was getting to– – The Process bikes. – The Process. – Cause he was having Sunns welded in his own little facility, wasn’t he? Having geometries done to his bike and hacking ’em up. – He still does that stuff now. – He’s still doing it now. His e-bike, Steve Jones was telling me, his e-bike is all hacked about. He’s got a motor– – Changed the battery mounting. – He’s changed it all. So I guess that’s just
part of his make-up. – Early days, he worked
with Olivier Bossard, a lot, with the Sunn bikes, and
with the Process bikes that he made. The guy who does BOS Suspension. Still does BOS Suspension. – That’s right, yeah. And you know, Fabien Barel
still speaks really highly of those Radical Plus bikes. I think they had something
like four-inch travel or something back then. He reckons they’d still cut
it on the right course now. – And Fabien, he’s another rider that is meticulous about setup. I did see him, I don’t know who it was I saw him hugging on the finish line of the
last World Cup downhill race. I guess he’s helping out Canyon– – Still working on
Canyon stuff, dirt bikes. – So I guess Troy would
have been on the podium. – [Crew Member] Sure
it was someone French. – Yeah, I think it might have been Loic. But I just wondered. I wonder how much
involvement, how close-knit, that French community is, that they’re supporting each other.
– I don’t think it is quite as close as you might think. I think some of the new-school French boys want to move away from that a little bit. That’s what I’ve heard, reading between the lines. – I don’t reckon they’re cool at all. I think they’re all really
very calculated genius racers, and they’re just making
us think they’re cool. ‘Cause they’ve learnt
from the mistakes of Nico, who was a genius racer, but so not cool. – Which is funny, ’cause chat
to him now, he’s really cool. – It’s weird, now he’s become cool. It’s the other way round now. – I think, in hindsight, I was definitely in the Steve Peat camp, ’cause he helped me out really early. And at that time, you
were kind of Steve Peat or you were Nico. You had to choose yer
side and stick to it. And I was definitely on the
Steve Peat side of things. – Me too. – [Doddy] To be fair, I think most people were on the Steve Peat side of things. – But actually, looking
back, I’m like, actually, Nico was cooler than
I thought at the time. And he did things so differently, ’cause we were brought up on you have to party hard and into race day and bike fast, whereas Nico didn’t really do that, he just raced, that was his thing. And now, looking back, actually, who was the stupid one? Was it me, or was it Nico? – The battle over the years was amazing. Reminds me a little bit of Hunt and Lauda, in the car stakes. – Yes, very similar. Similar kind of thing. Similar characters. – Everyone loves Steve Peat,
they loved him back then, he was a character of the sport, made people want to do it. Nico was this quiet, unassuming guy that would just get on with it and do it. – But I think Nico saw off, I mean Steve Peat’s one name, but he saw off a lot of people. There was just so many good riders who just could not topple that guy. – Won 10 World Championships, and retired at the age of 26. (laughs) – It’s just bonkers, innit? – Doesn’t even seem possible – And looking at the list of the riders that are under him, Palmer, Tomac, Gerwin Peters, Pascal, Peat, Peat, Peat,
Minnaar, Minnaar, Peat. – Do you remember seeing the video, one of the old World Cup videos, Gerwin Peters won the World Cup, shook up the Champagne, popped top off and was looking at it, and it hit him straight in the eyeball, and he had a massive
black eye the day after. (laughs) – You never really had those characters in the cross-country scene, did you? Downhill definitely
brought in some brilliant characters back in the day. But cross-country never really brought any party animals into the sport. But I guess that’s the
nature of the sport, is that they’re not party– – It’s not an athletic thing to do, innit? – But, Tomac was cool. – Well Tomac did everything. He was a pro roadie as well
as a pro mountain biker, at the same time. – Imagine that. A cool roadie. Unbelievable. – Well, we’ve got Matthew Vanderpool now, who’s doing everything
better than Tomac did. – Another! That’s two cool roadies
that sport’s brought out. (laughs) – Tomac did BMX as well, and he’s got motocross racing sons, so he’s kind of a little bit cool. – Tomac doesn’t really have much to do with mountain biking anymore, as far as I’m aware. – I’ve never met Johh Tomac. I would love to one day meet John Tomac, but I wonder, if you meet him, if he’s a little bit like
one of those sporting legends that to you, he’s everything in the sport, but to him, it’s just something he
did when he was younger. I remember meeting a guy. I come from motorcycle trials, that was my background before
I was into mountain biking, and there was a World
Champion in 1979, 1980, something like that, called Bernie Schreiber, American guy. He ended up being involved
in mountain biking, actually, ’cause he used to work for Tissot, who used to be a sponsor of the sport at the World Cup level. And I met him at one of
these mountain bike events. I was like, “Oh my God,
it’s Bernie Schreiber.” Literally one of the
most unbelievable legends in the sport that I adored. And when I asked him about it, it was almost as though he
couldn’t remember, anything. He was like, “Yeah, I did used
to ride motorbikes a bit.” Like, you’re Bernie Schreiber! And I wonder if Tomac
would be a bit like that. Would be be like, “Ah, I did a race.” (laughs) – He’s cool. He’s really mellow, as you’d expect. He’s a farmer, back then
as well, Farmer John. The tire’s named after him. – Is that right? – Farmer John, Farmer John’s Cousin, Farmer John’s Nephew. Three terrible tires, but it didn’t matter, ’cause you’d buy them ’cause
they had his name on them. – ‘Cause it had John Tomac on ’em. – There’s lots of cool people. I’ve not met many people
who aren’t that cool. The old legends of mountain biking. – Well time does a great thing. Now we can look back on Nico and say, “Yeah, actually,
he was kind of cool.” Time is very kind. – I met him, really, first
time, only a couple years ago, riding e-bikes, and he was wicked. I got on really well with him. – I think he was wicked the whole time, we just had Steve Peat goggles on. We couldn’t see past them. He was nice. He was a nice guy. He was wondering, “Why don’t they like me? “I’m really nice.” (laughs) – It was strange that no one liked him to start with ’cause of his entrance, when he came in, those early races, he kept a diary, he came in, just destroyed everyone. Everyone was like, “Who’s he?” – Yeah. And he was slightly arrogant going over the finish line a few times. – Well I think he celebrated no-handed before he’d even
gone through the line. – And I don’t think that really makes other racers love you, if you make everyone
look like a total fool, then you’re not going to be loved. – But plenty of people have
done that over the years, and everyone loves them. Kovarick at Fort William, 14 seconds clear, in a skin suit. Everyone loved him for it. – One thing I’d say is, we mentioned Shaun Palmer earlier. Shaun Palmer has not won that much stuff, but, what we do love him for is the aggression he showed when he comes over the finish line .2 of a second behind Nico, and then swears on his life he’s going to steal the gold
off that guy in the next year, and you just think, seeing that passion come
out of someone is amazing, and it makes you love ’em. But you don’t get the
really serious people who win time and time again, they don’t tend to show
that emotion, do they. They don’t tend to. – They seem to be content
when they’re on the podium. – I mean, they’re like, it’s all about just getting the results. – He didn’t care about
anything, the Pole, did he? Have you seen feature of him at Cannes, where he comes through the line and he’s, does it like you said, just off, throws his goggles on the floor, and he was pissed off. – Actually, that’s the
first time I ever met him. I didn’t know who the ‘ell he was. He came over to the back of the Volvo truck and asked if he could borrow some tires, ’cause he didn’t have any tires. I just remember seeing a
guy with loads of tattoos and a suntan, and a bald
‘ead, with shaved hair, and I was like, “Who’s that dude?” And the mechanic, who was a
really cool guy, called Tim, he said, “Oh that’s actually “the World Snowboard Champion.” And I just, walking in,
“What’s he doing here?” And then, he came second. – I’ve got a great photo, actually, taken by Geoff Hoare, of the motocross pants he
was wearing at that event. And on the back of them
it says, “Summer Job.” (laughs) – That kind of marketing, that sort of astute marketing, that’s very rare. Showing confidence like that is also pretty ballsy. – Well is it confidence,
or is it arrogance? Bit of both. – Bit of both. – It was big news at the time. Himself and April Lawyer, if you remember, came from snowboarding. – From Access and stuff. – A bit of cool factor coming
over to mountain biking, and other people from big, cool sports, coming and doing really
well at it, actually. – Yeah. And I guess if you’ve got
used to that kind of speed and you can handle it in other sports, it’s going to help you
when you come across. I don’t know if you could do it now. – They seem to understand
the mental attitude. ‘Cause you look at the top 20 in whatever category, and I think a lot of
the riders and racers, they’re really equally,
if you pair them up against each other, it seems to be, once you get a podium, when you get closer, you go into a different realm
of your mental attitude. But Palmer seemed to
have that from the start, regardless of any results. – Cedric Gracia was another rider who, he was actually a skier, that was what he wanted to be and do, and like mountain biking, that was literally his summer job. – Corado Herin was an
Olympic luger, I think, and came and showed up in ’97 and won everything, pretty much. – Am I right in thinking
Corado Herin passed away? – Recently, yeah. – Yeah, it was a plane crash, I think. – There was a lot of those fast Euros back in the mid-’90s, then Palmer shows up, starts beating ’em. – Who’s the name for you? Palmer for you, Neil? – Well, I dunno, actually. Looking back now, maybe not. At the time, Palmer was super cool, but now, people like Nico, some of the Americans, Eric Carter, Brian Lopes,
those sort of people, definitely looked up to. – What about you, Doddy? – Carlos Reyes. – Carlos Reyes, wow. Yeah, maybe I would have to– – First time I saw him
was at Bicycle Expo, before I’d seen you, and he was dancing on his back wheel to “Rhythm is a Dancer,” by Snap, do you remember that? Really bad ’90s tune. – That sounds bad, but it
was good, I promise you. – At the time, it was amazing. – I promise you it was good. – And I remember watching him bunny hop clean onto the roof of a car, we’d just be like, that’s not possible, no one can do that on a mountain bike. – Yeah, I would have to say, Hans is almost like my go-to. But someone, thankfully, because of her results, she’s not forgotten, but someone who’s just
incredibly impressive was Anne-Caro. I just thought she was
something special on a bike. Just because of their difference in times, there’s been very few female racers that the male racers
would watch and admire, that hasn’t happened many times, just because the time difference is there, and the only reason you would do that now was because of Anne-Caro, and Anne-Caro existed. She just made the sport
of female downhill racing and I think mountain biking, leap forward so far. – I still remember front
cover of a magazine, it was MBI, and I think at the time it was edited by Chris Porter, perhaps. – I’m trying to think
of what the trick was. – She was doing just
like a bit of crossup, and on the Sunn Chippie team she had an open-faced
BMX-style with a mouth guard. And the whole story was about the fact that she was jumping all of the doubles, all of the jumps. And like most of the British
guys couldn’t jump ’em, and she was jumping everything. And it was like, who the hell is this? – So check it out, right. That would maybe be the first Worlds that Rob Warner went to, maybe 1992, something like that. 1993, Anne-Caro won Gold at
the Olympics in 2008. That’s how long she was that good. And she beat Shaneze Reade, in BMX, that hasn’t happened, I don’t think, or will ever again. Can you imagine anyone
else being that talented? – Well, who are the future
legends we’re seeing now at the World Cup? I’m guessing, like cross-country, Schurter is that man. Potentially, Mathieu van der Poel, if he continues, but he’s going to go to road. – Sounds like he’s
focusing on the Olympics. – The Olympic cycle is having a big impact now on how people think about
their career, isn’t it? Because it’s such a huge event to win, and it makes such a big
difference to your career, and probably your financial
power in the sport. So I think those cross-country guys are always looking at that. If you remember, the last
Olympics, we saw Segan coming over and trying to get
a Gold in mountain biking. – He’s was just too aggressive, wasn’t he? He kept getting punctures and stuff. – Well, yeah, but he
definitely showed that he might have threatened Schurter there. – I think he’d struggle now, though, with the course changes and stuff. I think it’s got more aggressive. The riding level in all
categories is so high, compared to what it was. – Yeah. I think that’s across the sport, isn’t it? Definitely in downhill, in cross-country. If anyone out there who’s
watching or listening knows anything about trials riding, if you look at trials now, to the Hans Rey we knew, it’s a world apart. (laughs) It really is a world apart. – You look at the
cross-country tracks now, like I’ve been doing this week, trying to ride an old bike, and you realize actually how much more technical things are now. You need a 29-er, full-suspension bike most of the time for those trails. And they’re pushing so hard everywhere, that things are just technical, and they’re physical. – So in this retro week that we’ve got going, that’s going to be happening
for the next few days, on GMBN, you guys have been riding some old bikes, and me and Doddy were in
the lift the other day, and you were saying, “Oh my God, this bike’s killed me.” What was it you were riding? – It was a G2 Shazang, so the titanium, triple triangle frame. And it had 140 mil stem on it, and a bar that’s, I didn’t measure it, but less than 500 mil, tiny. And it was way too long for me. It is a really nice bike– – To look at. – Really hard to ride. – And what made it hard to ride? Just that length? – Almost laying down,
almost out the front door. And then I tried to keep it real and keep the saddle high, which was a bit of a mistake in hindsight. – Bit of a mistake, ’cause you got a bit of a buck. – Had a bit of a squashed item. – Nice. And what was your one then? – I was riding my old Kona Lava Dome, which is ’89 bike, and it’s just my original bike I’ve kept as a commuter, and I’ve just been fixing
it all week, basically. I put new brake blocks on it, putting a Coke can in the head sheets, it’s flared even more now. Yeah, just doing crap. Things to try and make the bike work, and you forget now, I’m not the best at bike
maintenance nowadays, but you can ride a bike, put it away, and you really don’t have to do too much, you know it’s going to work, and you don’t break them, or I don’t break them anymore, at least. Actually Lava 29 Enduro bikes, they’re going back to a fully
rigid, 26-inch-wheeled bike, is very, very rough, and I tried to ride it with flat pedals down a downhill track, and you could literally
hear my feet doing this (slapping table) on the pedals the whole way down as I’m trying to stay on it. – The wheels get swallowed
by the holes, as well. Like, 26 and dead is what it is. (laughs) – I think the tracks, obviously the bigger wheels
ride through those holes and make them bigger, so now, riding a little wheel, it just seems so much worse. – I’ve seen some photos recently, ’cause we’ve been looking
at this retro stuff, of some of the taller riders, on older mountain bikes, and they look ridiculous. Like Steve Peat or Rob Warner. You see Rob Warner on one
of his old pro Giants, and the wheels just look so stupid. – So close together, which
makes it look even worse. – Yeah, the bike’s so short, and he’s so massive, over the bike. – There’s a good one. So I’ve been looking through, Sunn Chippie, I Googled, to see the old pictures, there’s Steve riding that low-bone. Actually, that’s the bike I rode at ’99 World Champs, ’cause Steve was injured, and he lent me his bike, which didn’t fit me very well, ’cause I was a lot
smaller than Steve Peat. That’s John Tomac. But yeah, Cedric Gracia hanging off the
front of his Sunn Chippie. – Wow, that’s a position, innit? – Just, the bikes looked so small. – Yeah, they’ve looked
frighteningly short, and the wheels don’t look
like they can handle it. – Steep pedal angles as well. – But isn’t it funny, what kind of happened in the middle, from where we are now, to where it started? ‘Cause when me and Neil
were in Marin County, at the museum. We noticed all those original bikes were actually pretty long pretty slack, like 67-ish head angles, massive bullhorn handlebars on ’em, tiny little stems. And in the middle, we kind of got short wheel base and really long stems and really narrow bars, and steep angles. And thankfully, we’ve come out the other side of it. – What’s the worst bike you’ve ever ridden? For this job, actually, last couple of years, I’ve ridden some pretty bad bikes. Proflex, that Trek. What was that Trek called? Nine something, maybe. – That Scott downhill
bike you had was horrible. – Was that the one with
the elastomer rubber and the super high pivot? – Yeah, and it’s a single pivot. That was just terrible. – I find it very hard to not like a bike. And sometimes, when a bike’s very bad, I think it makes you love it more. I don’t want to say any of
the bad bikes I’ve ridden ’cause it feels awful. – Oh go on. – No, I don’t want to say. – Don’t be so nice. – Well it’s not being nice, I just feel like I’d be like– – You’ll tell us all after this, so you may as well tell us now. – No. Not going to say, I’m not going to say. There’s one particular
bike I can think of, but I’m not going to say. – But I do think now, like I said before, basically you get complacent
as to how good things are now, till you ride an old bike and realize how good you’ve got it. – Actually, to save myself on
the bike that I didn’t like, I’ll say one of my own that I designed. (laughs) One of the first bikes I designed, it was a trials bike, and it was way too short, and I just wanted it to look good. And I made it so as a
trials rider at the time, you would have thought it looked good, but then you rode it and thought, yeah, we to change the geometry on this. And I did, in the following edition. (laughs) – What about you, Doddy? What’s one you hate? – I dunno. I’ve ridden a lot of bad
stuff over the years. – You must have ridden
so many mountain bikes. – Probably the bike that makes
the least amount of sense was that old Slingshot thing. You see those? It had cable as a down tube, and it had a rubber
elastomer on the top tube. It used to shrink and then extend again. – Have you ever ridden Mountain Cycle, San Andreas? – Yeah. Not bad. – Right, I always wanted one. – They’re not bad. The early ones had elastomer shocks, which, you should just burn them, to be fair, but Paul Smith’s one with the Ritzy Racing rear shock on there, it’s not a bad bike, even by today’s standards, it’s a little bitshort and stuff, but it still works. – Lovely looking thing. – Which is nuts for how old it is. – It’s crazy, innit? – That Froze I rode, for the video over on GMBN, again, other than the stupid long stem, and tiny bars on it, back end felt pretty good. Was like an Orange, really. Except it’s from 1994. (laughs) – That was the brand I
was not going to mention. (laughs) – Froze? – No the Orange. – Well you’ve done it now. – I’ve done it now, yeah. Yeah, there was an Orange I had that I thought was such a pile of crap. – All right. So I think we’ve wittled on about retro bikes enough. – Yeah, well, I could go
on another hour, easy. I’m going to be quiet. – All right. We’re back to a more
standard podcast next week, we’ve got the Enduro series in France. Not sure who we’ve got
coming for that one yet. And then it’s World Cup racing again. Downhill and cross-country
the week after that. So, thanks for listening,
– Double whammy. – Yeah, and keep your eyes
peeled on GMBN and Tech, for more retro stuff this week.

70 thoughts on “The GMBN Podcast Ep. 9 | How Has Mountain Biking Changed?| GMBN Retro Week

  1. My first mountain bike was a 1998 GT LTS 4000, had about a 6 inch long stem, and about 1 foot wide handlebars..

  2. 03:11 – Gary Fisher
    06:37 – Repack talk
    13:25 – Breaking old bikes
    20:25 – Who started Freeride?
    21:30 – First UCI MTB world champs (1990)
    39:20 – Why we love Palmer
    43:15 – Anne-Caroline Chausson
    49:50 – Worst bikes?

  3. Doddy sounds just fine. Super interesting topic! Blake's view on freeride scene would have been interesting too, but would have perhaps made video/podcast too long.
    (Gary Fisher designed quite good bikes, also had one of the first 29ers designed by him late 2000's)

  4. How much further do you think mtb tech and geometry can change and what do u suspect mountain bikes will turn into

  5. I saw a gent the other day on the local light rail with a "Red Shred" Cannondale that brought back all kinds of memories for me! That was the bike I always wanted back in '89 that cost about 900.00USD. Looking at it now, it would scare me to ride it down a modern trail course

  6. My most retro memory is going to the bike show at the nec and all I wanted was Martyn’s cannondale frame and forks and they were £550 but I couldn’t afford it, I finally saw him as he was every bit of my inspiration riding trials and then bottled it to ask for his autograph because I didn’t want him being annoyed being bothered by me

  7. I could have listened to them chat like that for another two hours, lovely work chaps, but we need to hear more of your own stories because they sound fascinating.

  8. After Neil's intro/apology It would have been funny if you then went and pitch shifted Doddy so he sounded like Joe pasquale

  9. I'm really loving the retro week! I also really like the podcasts! Keep up the great work GMBN! 😀😀👍🏻👊🏻

  10. Sorry guys, mics stuffed in your faces, just can't watch, right in Neils face?????, WTF is wrong with the sound crew???? I've never seen a podcast like this, seriously, lower the effin mics so you can see us!!

  11. What like lads, any chance of you making these avalable for download so I can listen on the go? Enjoy the banter but need to keep on the move. Cheers Neil

  12. Awesome content,guys! My era of mountain biking. And I agree with Martyn, I too have a hard time not liking a bike. lol

  13. Lets make a stink about these 9×141 hubs and lack of budget upgrade options for our budget bikes. If its not full boost dont build it unless your selling it to walmart!

  14. I loved listening to this. I started mtb racing in eastern USA 1988. Wild weird people and products during this period. XC mass start races beginning at the top of a ski resort and we would kamikaze the downhill to start the race. Broken frames, fluorescent colors, U-brakes, rigid forks, 6 speed screw on cassettes, solid forged aluminum stems, tight nylon straps securing my feet to the pedals, having a granny gear (huge deal) are some of my memories from this awesome time period.

  15. I've got Doddy beat, barely.

    Had a Schwinn Cimmaron with full Deore XT except a Cane Creek headset, and I attended the 1988 Fat Tire Bike Week in Crested Butte. But living in central South Dakota, I didn't ride many mountains.

    Of course I am 71 years old now.

  16. Amazing! what a memory lane trip! started racing in the uk in 94/95, so good to hear some of those old names. I met JMC up in north yorkshire, he was on a harley with dave of Dave's chain device. stopped to chat to us and check out our bikes. Super nice dude – seems you can meet your hero's!

  17. Inspirational 90's riders, 🤔er….. Martin Aston and Martin Hawes….. Huge influence on the UK scene. 😉

  18. Perfect. Neil and Martyn crystal clear and Doddy muted. Can we have all videos like this ? 🤣🤣🤣

  19. Loved the part about the Olympia shows 🙂 Happy memories of blasting around that little track fuelled by too many Red Bulls. Kona weren't too happy with me for breaking 5 pairs of their Curve cranks though during the demos 😂

  20. #ask gmbn
    Hey guys, lovin the retro editions, if I could go back it’d be to 1998, so many great memories.
    What ever happen to ROX casual clothing? I’d defo buy another hoodie if I could find one.

  21. Neil, check out the LTS/STS group on FB, frames pop up all the time 😉

  22. <— you'll thank me later 😉

    Ryder did but was never caught unlike some of his team mates.

  23. Ned Overland – 1990 first ever Mountain XC World champion, brilliant rider still racing now I read.

  24. The EPO thing – the danger and killer was that it made the blood so thick you could potentially die in your sleep at a slow resting heart rate (some suspicious deaths with ex-pro riders of the 90's due to that & heart attacks at young ages – none proved but fitted with above) so riders had to do that thing of exercise at odd times to counter this sometimes.

  25. really good chat guys. Thanks for this post. Any chance you could add pics of the bikes and parts you are all talking about in post production? That way we could all see the cool retro stuff (I'm 60 and started mountain biking in the mid 80's so this retro stuff is right out of my past. One of my fave pieces of gear was the Hite Rite. Worked really really well. Simple and effective as well as very budget friendly). Great to hear you all talk. Pics please??

  26. so tired of hearing that THREE masters working together like Vouilloz, commencal and olivier bossard, apparently, according to the pot heads in downhill, those were not cool. The cool ones were retards like palmer, rob warner and XXXX, getting drunk the night before the race… LOL. That's what I don't like on the whole, enduro, durt, dh scene, apparently you are required to be dumb. If you use your brain, apparently that is not cool. What a bunch of… search for commencal interview for 25 years of mtb racing by dirt magazine, look for the videos of bossard too. Those motherfuckers were cool. Palmer is living from welfare now.

  27. Love 'Dirt', it took me ages last year to track down all the tunes used in the soundtrack but got them in the end, I'd love to see it come out on DVD now!

  28. Didn’t Martin Hawes ride a giant? I remember seeing the two of them doing a bunny hop high jump competition in Plymouth, Ashton won.

    Steve Geal was one of my favourite riders, easy, so smooth on the trails and could shred in a skatepark!

  29. It was in 1985 after I moved to 'the big city' that I found a bike shop that carried brand new bikes that were set up with the flat bars and rugged wheel and tire combos my friends and I had levered onto our parents old Schwinn cruisers. These were Univega's and one called the 'Stumpjumper' from some company I'd never heard of. : D

  30. Thought Doddy sounded fine. Was expecting worse after Neil's apology. Although, having one broken mic on retro week does seem quite apt

  31. Question why in Tv series “Seinfeld” did Jerry have so many different mountain bikes hanging in back ground, I wonder how many bikes there was.

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