The GMBN Podcast Ep. 8 | The Brendan Fairclough Interview

The GMBN Podcast Ep. 8 | The Brendan Fairclough Interview


Okay. – Okay, welcome to the
Mountain Bike Podcast brought to you by GMBN. Our guest today is none other
than Brendan Fairclough. – Hello. – Oh my God, eh. – Hello – Oh, sorry, left you hanging there. – No, that’s fine. – Not a great start–
– It’s fine. We can, we can get over it. – We can get over that. – Pull through
– We’re past it. Oh dear. Right, now, let me just paint a picture for you if you’re just listening to this. We are in Fort William, the World Cup. Brendan, you’re not racing, but we’ll get to that in a moment. We’re in our apartment
where we stay every year and we’re in front of a line of books. Neil Donoghue is just off shot. – Yeah.
– So we’re going to keep on topic with downhill because
he’s our like professor when it comes to downhill racing. And we’ve got a couple of other
people in the room as well. – [Other Male] The barman. – The barman. – And you’re forgetting the beautiful, Fort William High Street
is just down there. – You know what is classic–
– And then I can see Kebab Shop, Vape Shop. (men laughing)
(mumbling) – [Neil] –springs is just right there, if you want to go do it
Weller Springs, we can just– – I see the nice
– Let’s save– – [Brendan] cafe down there
we went to this morning. – [Martyn] We’re going for
curry afterwards aren’t we? – [Neil] We are. – [Martyn] We’re going for curry I think. – We went last night kindly too. (men laughing) – There’s a cafe down there we went for breakfast this morning and there’s like, well
the normal breakfast. I was going to get avocado
and toast, obviously. I’m from Surrey so you have to serve up the avocado and eggs for breakfast. – Yeah. – It’s avocano. It’s this extremely vegan joint so avocado’s not good for you
– Well, it sounds like – Right?
– my place. – No eggs. No avocados. No bacon. – [Martyn] What? So they’re doing the whole
avocados are not vegan? – Yeah, apparently, cause it’s bad, – You know bad for us,
– Oh, yeah, – Bad for the environment
and blah, blah, blah. – How they grow them. – See I’m a vegan and I
eat predominantly avocados. – There we go. (laughing) You can’t go there. – Oh man, that sucks.
– You can’t go there Avocano on toast it was said (laughing).
– Avocano, that’s unbelievable. Tell me about like your typical weekend at I guess Fort William World
Cup when you are racing. – Yeah. – How would that usually go? – Like a typical weekend, this weekend is obviously
extremely untypical. I came up here. I hurt myself, unfortunately, a few weeks ago on a film shoot. Shooting a four part series this year, but I won’t go into that. If you want, we can go–
– We’re going to try and get a little bit out of you. – Well, I can’t have it disclosed to much, but that’s not what this is about. Anyway, up here I was
in real mixed emotions about whether I could ride or not. See my physio every other day desperately just trying to find a way. I can’t even really do a proper push up. I can’t even like take my own body weight. And then I thought, well, if I get really drugged up, and I might be able to go down there. I walked the track on
Thursday, track walk day. So I sort of approached
the weekend like normal, I put my mechanic up with me, bikes were prepped, blah de blah. And I walked the track and I just saw the first of rock section and I just thought, you know what, you’re being an idiot. You’re not thinking of the long game. So I pulled out and it’s so hard to do as a racer even though, you know, I’m not the sharp end anymore which is the goal, but I’m not. And even when I’m not
fighting for a championship or fighting for anything else, I still want to be there. And I still want to be in the mix. But I just had to pull out and say, “No, let’s just focus
on the end of the year and see what we can do.” – [Neil] How’s it feel? Like Fort William, I’ve been here, I was trying to think the other day, I don’t know at least twenty times. How’s it feel about coming here and if, let’s say you were racing, do you still look
forward to it, the track? Do you like track? Do you like the race more than the track? – I think you’ve just hit the
nail directly on the head, because it’s one of
the biggest World Cups, you can’t deny it. It’s like, I always look
forward to any French World Cup because the crowd are amazing. They may not know who I am or who any riders are, but they will shout louder than anyone and they’re there for the right reasons. And they’re drinking and
they’re having a wicked time. And they’re flying around. You go to a World cup in America and there’s typically
like five people there. And it’s mostly like
people’s riders parents. So, but Fort Williams is unique. I think the English crowd
just get behind riding and they’re all up here. They’re all at the side
of the tracks lined. It’s one of the best World Cups, so I think what you said, the track is definitely dated and feels even mixed up a little bit, it feels the same. You’re riding along a
rocky path down there. There’s not really mud left in it. It’s not changeable. It’s not anything. It’s funny, like, I was having a little
Instagram battle with Loic cause he was up here last week riding, which is not illegal,
– Training. – Which is allowed apparently. Which is blah, blah, blah. He said, he put on Instagram, guess what I’m testing,
on his Instagram post. And I private messaged him saying, I don’t, I guess you’re testing the track because what else are you doing up here, like the week before. And I had a little discussion with him. He’s a great friend and
I really respect him. But I said, “Look, Dude, back in the day, you wouldn’t turn up at
World Cup a week before. And it’s also probably
no advantage to turning up to World Cup a week before. You turn up and the track would change so, you can back me up Donny, the track would change
so much over the weekend. – Yeah. – That by being there a week before it wouldn’t really benefit. – No, before I was– – I fought him the whole time. – I rode 50 meters this week
for a video we’re doing. And I haven’t raced it in 10 years. 2009 was the last time I rode it. And I jumped on the bike, right, a knee bike actually,
bombed down the track and I was like, oh, this
is like muscle memory of – You know, the start of the motor way over the bridge, the jump into berms. I’ve done this 200 times and it feels exactly the
same, just 10 years later. I mean, I still, now on the other side of the tape I’ve seen, I love watching it. It’s my favorite race to come and watch. – Really? Okay, yeah.
– But I’m glad I don’t have to race it. – Yeah, it’s a really
weird sensation today like, I’ve never enjoyed it. I’ve never done really well. Previous years, I’ve gone to Maribor and got third in Maribor with a good run. Been on the podium, blow levegue. Come here the next weekend and I’ve had a good run of what I’ve felt was the same
ride and the same pace and I’ve got like 15th
or something, you know. So it’s always been not great for me, but like Don said it’s an amazing event. – It’s strange isn’t it? We’ll like a track. – Definitely, the tracks not
anything to write home about. – As a spectator, obviously, I’ve never raced Fort William even though I seemed to have
– He rode it last year, didn’t you?
– I see to have won it in a imaginary video one time.
(laughing) But I’ve never actually
raced the track in anger. But as a spectator, there’s something to be said for corners you really know. I mean like there’s tracks in the F1, you know, the Parabolica, certain turns that you like absolutely want to see the best people go around. So that kind of standardization of a track is actually really
interesting as a spectator because you’re like, well,
if this up and coming riders, we’re like, how are they going
to handle Fort William though because like, Brendan’s
been doing it for years. – [Neil] It’s probably
one of the only tracks where we could have, like a lap record cause it doesn’t really change that much. – Yeah, exactly.
– [Neil] It does actually – It’s true, yeah.
– Change a bit, but almost, you can look
back through the years and see how much it’s gone fast or slow. – Basically what I’m saying
guys is you’re wrong. Anyway, moving on. It’s actually quite interesting and I wanted to bring this up, actually, that point you just said about how well you’ve
done at Fort William. I’ve mentioned this to you before, but it’s always stuck with me. I spoke to you after the Fort William race it was probably in 2010
or something like that. I spoke to you about an hour
after the race is finished. The kind of podium is
going on in the background, I was walking around– – Yeah, they forgot my
invitation to the podium. – Yeah, you hadn’t,
(mumbling) (laughing) let’s say you hadn’t
made the podium, right. And I come over to you
(laughing) and I was like, “Dude, how was it?” And I was kind of talking
to what, I thought, is the young whipper snapper
pleased to be there kid. “Dude, you’re at the World
Cups,” you know, how was it? And you were like, livid. And you went, “I come 20th.” And I was like, “Oh, nice work!” To me 20th in a World
Cup is like “Oh my God!” You know, I can’t even
imagine what qualifying at a World Cup must feel like, but 20th. And you said, I think you reacted to my response of positivity to that and your answer was, “Mate, I’m not here to come 20th.” And that’s always stuck with me. It’s like, “Oh, that’s
what a racer is like. “They want to win.” So what does it mean to you know when you know you’re coming here, and like you said earlier on, you’re not at the sharp end, but, don’t get wrong, I believe you could, I still think you’ve got it in you. – Yeah, that’s why we’re here, so I–
– But what does it feel like to kind
of try and accept that, but still come and race? Does that take an edge off? – Do you know what? It’s funny because, obviously, when I started like, I was, I’m at World Cup, this is amazing. Let’s qualify. I think what it all comes down to is where you set your goals. Because if I set an
unrealistic goal every weekend, I’m going to be
disappointed every weekend. So, I think in my career, like, my goal was when I first started, World Cup, let’s qualify. My first World Cup I
managed to qualify good. Did really well on my first, I did really well for the first six years of my World Cup careers. I was like, floating around, you know, I had 12th in my first year. 12th, then eighth, then sixth, then sixth. Then I snapped my ACL
and blah, blah, blah. And I think, but then your goals change, like in those years, it was always let’s be in the top 10, let’s be in the top 10, let’s be in the top 10. And then as, then when
you’re in the top 10, you’re no longer happy
with being in the top 10, you want to be in the top five. Then, I’m going to put Troy
Brosnan on the line here. He is the most phenomenal,
consistent rider. But, get my facts right, has he only won two World Cups maybe? – [Neil] Oh, I don’t know,
I can check that for you. – But in my eyes he’s one
of the most consistent, phenomenal downhill racers. He’s in the podium all the time. But he’s not happy with the
podium, he wants to win. And like for me now like
I’ve gone up and over. It’s no longer happy with the top 10s, I wanted to be on the
podium every weekend. Then you know, I never
got to that other step up which is on the podium every weekend and then wanted to win every weekend. But now like I’m back again, but I’m still happy. But now I’m like, I want
to be in the top 20, I want to be on live TV, and then I want to be top
10 for finals, you know. That’s like where I’m at. So if you set your goal realistically, and then that’s what
you’re always pushing for. I think you’ve got to be, I’ve always set goals. And that’s whether it’s
for filming something or racing or something, and I think that’s what keeps it fresh. and keeps you, it’s why I’m here, you know. – It’s a progression isn’t it? You’ve got, I know you’ve
got to feel your progression. – Yeah, but I think it’s also important to be realistic which is sometimes hard. – Yeah, yeah. Okay, so your racing
career is quite interesting because you have been through
some of the biggest teams and I don’t know if anyone
else has been on a team with probably another rider you could say they’re the greatest rider ever. So you’ve been on a team with Sam Hill. You’ve been on a team with Greg Minnaar. And you could drop Steve Peat in there in terms of like–
– Of course we can. (laughing) – I mean I would always drop
him in there because him, you know what I mean. So in your eyes, this is sort
of like a two part question. In your eyes, who is the
best there’s ever been? And where do you put yourself
next to people like that? And can you? How do you? – No, not putting Greg Minnaar down, I genuinely think he is the best consistent racer of all time, but in my eyes and in my era when I was up at the front, and whatever, it’s going to have to be Sam Hill for me. Because when he was winning, he was changing the game. He was like, started wearing race pants. Everyone started wearing race pants. Had wider bars, everyone
had wider bars on. It was like he changed
the game a little bit, I think more than anyone has. And he was getting these winning margins, it was just like “Wow!” – [Neil] was Iron Horse
when you rode with him? – Yeah, I signed for Honda and then I signed for
Iron Horse for one year. And then I was on Specialized
good in for four years. – Yeah, all right. – So, and that’s strange, so did he like having you as a teammate? – Yeah, we got on super well. – And do you think he saw
something in you as a teammate that was useful or that
he just liked hanging out? – I don’t know whether he found me useful. We used to practice all the time together and often I felt faster
than him in practice. Yeah and often, he’d be like, fine, you’re going super well, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I’m feeling really good. Always put five seconds
to me in the final. (laughing) Without a shadow of a doubt. – Unbelievable. – Yeah, it was amazing. You know, obviously the
big crash in Schladming where I actually beat him
in qualifying and then– – [Neil] We were just watching
and you were up on him– – Yeah, I think
(laughing) Blenki qualified first, I qualified second and I think Sam qualified
third maybe, but. Then also the first year
I signed for Specialized Sam qualified first in Maribor, I qualified second. It was our first race
together on Specialized. I remember sitting at the top with him, we were both looking at each other. No one else there at the top. – That’s such a weird feeling.
– It’s so weird, isn’t it. – I’ve never really done it except for World Champs, I was sick man dying though I didn’t. I’ve never felt it before, I felt really lonely and didn’t
know how to deal with it. – Now that’s a really interesting point because that’s something
that as a spectator of downhill racing, I’ve actually because I’ve been able to come to events and I’ve had slightly, sort of, what should I say? I don’t want to call myself fit, but I’ve had VIP access to those moments. Talk us about that moment
when you’re at the top of a downhill and it all goes quiet. Everyone’s gone, they’ve
all gone down the hill and you’re the fastest people and suddenly, the silence, there’s sort of like this silence. And I’ve been up there and
I’ve watched it when Peaty’s, about to go down Fort William and he’s potentially going to win this. – Oh wow, that must’ve been, that’s the best with Peaty at the top. – And suddenly there’s this silence, but the pressure is like palpable. You can literally feel it. – I mean, I’m not
– What’s that moment like? – An expert on it.
– But you’ve been there. – I’ve been there, I’ve been, I’ve fully qualified top five like 15 times in my career, you know, but only backed it up with
eight World Cup podiums. I’ve been at the top and it is, it’s crazy because generally everyone goes and walks the track. They walk down, they
watch everyone walk down, and they all end up at the bottom waiting for the top five guys, and it’s like, and no one’s like, – [Host] And no one’s with you at the top.
– The top two thirds of the track you didn’t see anyone. – No, you didn’t see anyone. And like, it was just, JC, who was our mechanic at the time, JC was spounding on me and Sam’s bike. So JC sat in the middle of
us, me and Sam either side, looking over Maribor, just like, he was like, “How you doing mate?”
– Suddenly adversaries. – And I was like, “I’m
a bit nervous. You?” He’s like, “Yup.” The thing with Sam is
like, he’d get so nervous, he’d like be sick. A few times I found him so low that he was sick in the bushes and then went straight into his run. – To what, the white one?
– He did the most crazy– – No, Sam’s work
– (mumbling) – Yeah, the crash and the finish. – Yeah, and like, – [Host] Insane. – And I’ve got to quickly
tell you this funny story about that exact race that
I’m just talking about, referencing Maribor. – And what year would that be? – That was from way back
in, I think it was 2010. – Right, yeah, yeah. – [Neil] That’s not way back in the day. (laughing) – Only nine years ago. – You’re actually young. (laughing) I know we’re in the track, we qualified first and
second, blah, blah, blah, we’re in the track, and typically, our team
manager at the time, Sean, would wake us up and would
just bring us around. We’d have lunch and then
we’d go up for our runs. – Why is that? Were like you sleeping in the same bed? (laughing) – Come one guys, wake up. – No, Sam would have the bed and I would be on the floor or something, or on the dog bed or something. And for some reason we
got woken a bit late or Sean wasn’t there or whatever. And we’re like, “Geez,
our run is in like an hour “and we haven’t eaten, we
haven’t done anything.” So we’re rushing around
the bottom of Maribor sprinted into the restaurant. And we’re like we need food, we need food, what’s the quickest? And they’re like oh, we’ll
get you Spaghetti Bolognese. So we’re like, yeah, yeah, sweet. Anyways, just steaming
this Spaghetti Bolognese down our throats and
then blah, blah, blah, go up on the lift and the bikes and all the trainers are at the top. And I’m with the trainer. Bit of a burp, bit of
the Spaghetti Bolognese. Okay, don’t worry about it, get on my run. Halfway down my run, this is another time where Sam Hill managed
to crash into the woods off the far road of the rock garden. Peel his bike back out of the woods. Get back on it, ride
down and still get fifth. So, I mean, I got third that weekend, but I think I got fourth. But, halfway, down my run, I think I was at the rock, I can’t exactly remember, but I remember puking up in
my helmet Spaghetti Bolognese. So I’ve gone down, (gulp) Oh, I’ve got to get rid
of that out of my mouth. This is going straight into my helmet and just carried on like nothing. I got to the bottom and I was speaking to my manager at the time, Sean, and I was like, “Dude, don’t come near me. “I’ve got puke in my helmet.” (men laughing) – The glamor, the glamor
of downhill racing. – That’s another Sam Hill story, like crashed into the bushes and got his bike back out
and still in the top five. – So I’m not the aficionado on, but what is the track that
I was watching the other day where it’s incredibly
wet and he still comes– – [Neil] Champery, that’s the–
– Champery, yeah. – How is that possible? How is it that there is a
rider that can do something that all the other riders are, literally, at the bottom of the hill
shaking there heads at? – No, I could’ve done that.
– You’ve been that close to his racing.
– No, I could’ve done that. (laughing)
– No, I’m joking. Cause he’s good at biking
down hills really fast. – Have you seen that clip of him recently, it’s an
advert for their new bike. What is that bike? – Yeah, the new, Nukeproof
Downhill bike, there’s Sam riding that new bike.
(mumbling) It’s the first I’ve seen him ride a downhill bike in a while. – The guy looks like he’s accelerating in the berms with the foot off. – I think the guys that can go around corners the best, Josh Bryceland and Sam Hill. – We’re going to come Josh
Bryceland in a minute. I want to get your thoughts on that. But I want to get to this is
a really important question for me because
– Can I have a quick sip of my beverage? – Yes, yes, yes. – Monster. – Just look at me while this is happening. We’re going to come to Monster as well, note that, Bryceland, Monster,
be coming to both of those. Why haven’t you won a World Cup? You’ve got no excuses. – I’ve honestly, I’ve
had several excuses of, right how
– Talent, teammates, bikes, – Exquisite fitness and figure
(men laughing) and masculine ability. – Okay. – I don’t know, I’m missing that one little mineral I think, you know. – [Neil] It’s not easy, come one. – No. – [Neil] It’s the
hardest thing ever to try and win a World Cup. – Yeah, I’ve been extremely close, if I knew. – Because the reason I ask it, because I’ve said this to you before, because of your other talents, which also we’re going to get to. Other talents, Bryceland, Monster. – A few, this is going
to be a five hour poddy. – Yeah, it’s going to go on. In my view, you’re a World Cup away from being the best bike
rider on the planet. – Yeah, I think that’s – You can do everything. You can clearly, if the moment was right, the track worked for you, you could, – If the stars aligned,
– Exactly. It’s got to happen that way, isn’t it? If the stars lined, you’ve got what it takes to win a World Cup. So why is it there’s someone
who could win 20 World Cups, who hasn’t got much more than you? – I think there’s a saying isn’t there? A master, none. What is it? – [Background Male] Jack of all trades. – Jack of all trades, master of none. – Well, I think that’s
playing you down an awful lot, certainly not where I wanted
to get with my question, but – That’s where you’re trying to get to. – But maybe we have to
leave it on that bit, right, so talking about your
other talents, because – Wait, sorry, one second. Sam Hill has won Enduro World Series, could you do that? – Oh, hang on a minute, I’ve got, I just listed five things I want to get to and now you bring up is
he going to ride EWS. – Do you know what, I’ve been asked I think, – I’ve lost control, Boss. – I’ve thought about it
because of this fact, the fact that now you’re only allowed to have one practice run of the track. – Yeah, it depends where you are I think, but you basically, it’s
virtually blind racing. – It’s pretty much blind racing and I feel like, my style or and I feel like that comes down to a lot of bike skill and it takes an element of, it uses a lot more elements
of pure riding skill. – You’ve got to improvise – Yeah, exactly.
– As you go downhill. – Yeah, exactly that. So I’ve thought of it, but I’m in danger of like, I’ve got some other
really cool stuff going on and I feel like, I want to
push in another direction. I really, my focus is downhill for sure. I’m really not quite finished with that. I’m desperate to get back in the top 10. I’m desperate to, I’d love, I’ve had eight World Cup
podiums, I’d love 10, to tell you the truth. And I don’t, and I’m still pushing. And now I’ve got one of the best bikes I’ve had now for the last
at least five or six years, so I’m really pushing for that. – So you really think
that bikes a step forward? – Yeah, I do, yeah. It’s super light. It carries speed. It works well for me, so. – Is it a 29? Excuse my ignorance. – It is a, it comes as both, you know like any Scott would come, like it comes as a 29, it flip chip and you
can put it in 27, but, – And how was you run it? – I rode it a mixer. – Ah, nice.
– I rode it mixer. – What’s that you call it? A mullet? A backwards mullet?
– No, it’s not a mullet. It’s a reverse mullet.
– No, it’s a reverse mullet. Yeah, it is. Yeah.
– But, purely because I was
– Maybe we should call it a Phil Atwil. (laughing) – I was desperate to run 29s and I committed to, I’d
never run them before, committed to it in New Zealand. Rode it for two weeks. Just kept catching my ass the whole time and I didn’t feel comfortable. So, and I sort of looked at it, another guy that I look up to and I think is a great guy and obviously he can ride bikes downhill and he’s pretty word as well. – And he’s not bad. – So I said, try it. And I think it worked well for me, but for here, I was
definitely going to go 29 29. For Leogang, I got pretty good at 29 29, but for sure, Val di Sole, eh, Andorra, these tracks where you
have to get off the back and specially is on flat pedals, so like, I’m quite off, even more so, it works for me. – Nice, nice. – Fling around corners like Josh Bryceland on the back of Syndicate. – We’re coming to him.
(laughing) We’re coming to him. Good friend of yours. That change in your career, like you say, you’re
still focused on downhill, but it’s definitely now a, there’s a movement happening in sport that’s quite subtle, but
it’s definitely there now because of people like yourself and Josh that are moving away from racing and proving that there is
something beyond your results that comes into the making films, the art side of riding, getting across an inspirational feeling. Like in my opinion,
incredibly important things that really make people
decide to ride bikes. So big things, how do you see that playing out? How have you go to where you are now, where you are on the, sort of, the very sort of pinnacle
of that kind of movement? – Because I can’t win World Cups. (men laughing) No. I’ve always, I’ve always vainly loved making films. I’ve loved the final product. I’ve always been very
proud of the final product, it’s always, no one likes filming. You have to push up the
hill a hundred times, you have to, you have to, you know, filming is not rock and roll. – It’s a lengthy process that hopefully you get some cool shots out of. – Yeah, exactly.
– It’s not guaranteed. – It’s not guaranteed. You have to work hard to do it. You have to push up. You have to rely often on someone else to create the end product in a way that you envision because we can ride, but we can’t edit. – And they’re not always very good. (men laughing) – [Martyn] That was harsh. – I’ve been–
(mumbling) – Poor old John.
(man cackling) – I’ve been very fortunate to work with some of the best film makers which maybe has like helped me, helped the end product being cooler. I want to watch it. And I find the end product cool, as in, for me when I was a kid watching Sprung and Earth videos, so that got me out on my bike. That got me out in the woods. And that’s what I wanted to do to get other people out on their
bikes and out in the woods. And that’s kind of the
reason why I did it. Not because I wanted to go back and watch myself ride downhill, it’s because I wanted to, and I’ve had so many
cool comments like that. And it’s like when people say, “Aw, cheers dude my 12 year
old kid comes back from school “and watch your Deathgrip every single day “and then gets out on his bike.” And I’m just like, even if three people do that,
– Yeah, exactly. – It’s like job done.
– Yeah, it’s a very strange, – And that is so cool feeling. – It’s a very strange experience
to hear someone say that. “Oh, that bit of writing you
did made me do something.” And you think, “Oh my God.” And you don’t think about it.
– How cool is that? – Yeah, it’s crazy. – And, I’ve really enjoyed that. And also, I’m not blinked in knowing that why I get paid to ride a bike. Why I get paid to ride a bike is to influence people in the right way, is to ultimately try to sell product. Sell bike bits, sell frames, sell wheels, sell tires, sell handle bars, sell grips. Deathgrips. – [Neil] Monster. – Yeah. – [Martyn] Amazing. – No, but, and I think if World Cup circuit is
amazing form in a want of it, but it’s such a small part of it overall. And unfortunately, a
World Cup result has quite a small shelf-life,
quite a short shelf-life. Like I hate to say it, but
a World Cup result lasts til the next World Cup result– – Yeah, exactly,
– And then, – It’s like any race. You’re only as good as your last result.
– And then you, me, Donny, all of us here, we’re huge
World Cup enthusiasts and fans, but if I said, who got
third at the last World Cup, or the last World Cup last year, it’s hard, it’s not there, you know. – So do you want to win the last
World Cup of the year really, that’s the longest
– Or, or what you have to do is go out flaming, you know, like win a
World Cup with no chain or have the biggest
crash at the World Cup. – Yeah, you need the moments. – Or have the most
– You need the moments. – Amount of punches at the
World Cup or something. You need the moments, but that’s where I go back to saying like when I do an edit, it’s going
to be a longer shelf-life and it can influence,
hopefully, more people to get out on their bikes, so that’s kind of why
I want to, why I do it. – Since I think the, I mean, I’m looking forward to the stuff you’ve sort of mentioned off camera you’ve got coming this year. It sounds very exciting, unless you want to get into it, I won’t push you on it.
– No, we can. – So let’s talk about you and Josh. Obviously, you’re great
friends going years back. You were young riders
coming through the UK scene, mentored by Steve Peat, along with Neil, of course, very much like the new generation.
(mumbling) – [Neil] Wow, all the best. – [Brendan] I would say, the best. – [Neil] I’m the original. I was lucky, I started in 99 when Peaty started Royal and he decided he was going to do Genius, but, yeah, it’s been a lot of, – Was it Rich Barlow?
– big names. – It was me and Rich Barlow, Stu Thomson who makes
videos of Danny Mac now, then you must come around just after that. – [Brendan] No, no, Beaumont. – Oh, Marc Beaumont, of
course, World Cup winner, yourself, Josh. Some big names. – Wow. – Just to put that all
into perspective guys that means that through
Brendan Fairclough, Neil Donoghue, Josh Bryceland, who was the–
– Marc Beaumont – Beaumont, right, you still
can’t equal his race wins. – [Neil] No. – [Brendan] Shit. – On his own, sorry, lads, didn’t want to bring you down there, but I had to. – Wow,
– That’s just some numbers. – Josh–
– the guy’s got race wins to spare. – Yeah, how many did Josh win? – [Martyn] Four? – [Neil] I don’t know, see. – Four or five. – [Neil] Yeah. – He’s got four wins extra.
– I’m determined to talk about Josh Bryceland and you because it intrigues right. Because I think you two
guys are so important in this sport right now
and I don’t want to put unrealized pressure on you or something, but I really love watching
racers who inspire others. And what you’re saying about
your filming is so true, that you can really change
what someone is going to do after school on any particular day. That’s remarkable, but you– – I will kindly cut, you got to do homework and
then go ride your bike. (laughing) – Screw that, Dude, you just told me you bought an XC90. (men laughing) – [Brendan] Yeah, screw your homework. (laughing) – [Martyn] Yeah, screw homework, get out your bike, it’s working. – [Brendan] Go dig jumps. – [Martyn] We’re back to the good times. We’re rolling. So, what do you, do you feel
like your doing something, honestly, you’re doing
very different things to you and Josh, but
– To Josh? – Do you feel that movement yourself? Like, that you’re showing
people that there’s a lot almost that there’s a lot
more to it than race wins? – Yeah, but, you know, I think because, I think, I’m a bit different than Josh. Josh has been there, he’s done it. He doesn’t strive to race anymore. He’s decided, I think he’s just like, I didn’t like the pressure of it. I didn’t like the training part of it. I did it, I trained just
to race or whatever. Had what? A couple of amazing, amazing
season for winning World Cups, should’ve been World
Champ, World Cup Overall. Should’ve been World Champ,
unfortunately hurt himself. – [Martyn] He sort of
default was World Champ. – Yeah, I think he pretty
– We probably all – much is, Sorry Gee,
– celebrate, – but yeah. – [Martyn] We all probably
celebrate that moment more than we do the race result. I’ve watched it a few times. – [Neil] Who won it though? Gee won it? – [Brendan] Gee. – [Martyn] Gee, yeah. – Not to take anything away from Gee, it was, you know, still got to get down the track in one piece. – Yeah, and didn’t Sam Hill also have one of the fastest splits
and crash in the rocks? – [Neil] I don’t know. Can’t remember. – So we, Josh, yeah Josh, – [Neil] Josh is unique though, you can’t compare Josh to anyone. – [Martyn] Well, I don’t
want to compare you to Josh in that sense, I mean, you’re very different, but it’s interesting, you know, like you say, he’s moved out of it in the knowledge that he’s like, well I know what I didn’t like about it. You obviously still love the racing. – Yeah which is, – Which kind of puts you
– People often say that to me.
– in a strange place. After people say, are you
just going to go free riding? Are you just going to go free? And I’m like, no, like, me and racing, makes me, gets me to the gym. Makes me not lazy, makes
me wake up in the morning. We’re going to go train
and progress and whatever. Gives me drive, whereas if I was like, no, I’m not racing anymore, not like I’d be lazy, that’s not in my nature, but I feel like, ah shit, what do I like? – [Martyn] Yeah, but it
feels like the movie clips, (mumbling) – Yeah, I feel like if I didn’t race, I could put a lot more energy into the filming side of things which I think would be also cool. – So what can you tell us about what you are doing this year? Tell us about that
– We’re doing a four part, four part series. – It sounds so good. – Yeah, it’s a four part series. It’s called A Dog’s Life. (laughing) A four part series called A Dog’s Life where we’re filming four banging three to four minute edits
for the internet viewers to get excited about which
you have to these days. It’s going to be the
extreme, the final product. The jumps, the flips, the
crashes, the whatever. You know, an edit. A standard mile mark edit. Along with to back that up, we’re doing four 24 minute longer pieces to sort of, I’m not going
to say educate people, that sounds patronizing,
but to show people what goes behind filming. What goes behind to get
that three minute product. It’s me scouting an area, me heading out there and digging often with a friend of mine, getting machines there. You know, just for
example, getting out there, the logistics of getting
machines where we need to build, getting someone to come and build with me, final product, find what we got to build to build what we need to build. Go out there again and film it. Often the weather is not good. Often what we’ve built is not as good as when you came back to. It might be too dry or
too wet or whatever. You could crash, you could hurt yourself. You’ve got to deal with all
these crazy different things. It’s not, and I’m super
guilty for it as well, I watch an edit online
and I just turn it off and think, well that’s really super cool, but I think geez, they just filmed in some crazy remote part of the world and that wasn’t just there.
(snapping finger) So what I wanted to do, I’m not going to say educate again, I’m going to say just, I wanted to show people
what goes in behind it. So I guess it’s going
to be like a, sort of, I throw Chuckers or Gold Rusher type style vloggy piece. – [Neil] And that, you’ve
done the first one in Madeira. How many times have you been to Madeira? – [Brendan] It must’ve
been like 12 or 13 times. – [Neil] I went first time last year, I couldn’t believe how
good the riding was. – [Brendan] Really cool, huh? Such a variety of stuff. – [Neil] Yeah. – [Martyn] That’s definitely
somewhere I’d like to go. – [Neil] The weather is
pretty changeable though. It rained a lot when I was there, I know, it’s radial–
– It’s like a little microclimate. – Am I right when you fly into Madeira, you kind of fly in alongside a cliff? – Yeah, it’s like the second most dangerous airport in the world. – [Neil] Yeah, a time of the year a lot of people get sent somewhere else down the road and they cut off and they can’t land in Madeira and they end up landing
somewhere else way in. – [Brendan] I’ve done that a few times. – [Martyn] Yeah, I want to go there. – Like weather for example, when we filmed Deathgrip, we had to go back three times to film it, like that cliff, the cliff jump section, it was too windy, it was rainy
or foggy or blah, blah, blah. – Yeah, cause you built a line that’s so, it’s got so many parameters
that have to be right. And suddenly one out and it’s like, it’s not what you imagined. – Another time we went there, Sam Ren cased one of the
jumps and bent his forks. Oh, it’s shoot over. And I’m often like at the
sharp end of the shoot, so I was controlling the budgets and I’m paying for the
hotels and paying for flights and paying for baggage
and paying for everything. Not me, it’s obviously
supported by my sponsors, but I’m dealing with the budget. So now we can’t film and like I’m thinking, oh my god, we’re going to have to fly everyone back out here. We got to get hotels again. We’ve got to like, when can everyone’s
schedules line up again? I’ve got to do World
Cups, I’ve got to train. So that’s what I wanted show
in this Madeira section, and hopefully, we’re going to do Madeira. Do another one in the UK, which was a failed section of Deathgrip called Berm to Berm. And we’re going to do
hopefully another one in Kenya and another one in Patagonia. – Yeah and I believe in Berm to Berm, you’re going to use a very unique device called the Random Tandem
(laughing) to help you film part of that.
(mumbling) – I’m trying to get you
– That would be rad – on camera to say
– to get you in. That would be rad to get you in. – I think I’m going to
help do one of the like camera shots from the
– The dollies, the dollies. – That’s essentially
what I will be, a dolly. – And then we’ll probably
have a cable cam as well so we can tape it. It’s electric, isn’t it? So you can do–
– It’s unbelievable, it’s unbelievable. I’m going to get you on that bike! – We’ll be on it. – That actually made me think. So you may be, you may be
pulled away from racing to do this movie career essentially. That might happen. I actually hope it does because I want to see it.
– It will happen, It will happen. – But what you just said
is that how you’re running the budgets of these things. Will we ever see Brendan Fairclough, the team manager of races? Because that’s another way for you to win a World Cup. (laughing) It ain’t over til it’s
over, son, you know. – I’ll be honest, I’m not super enthused or motivated to be a manager of a World Cup team. – You know, there’s a lot
of money in team management. – Yeah, I think there probably is, but I’m not driven by money. So I’m driven by getting people on bikes. – I bring up the XC90
(laughing) It’s an interesting question actually, where’s the money at in mountain biking? You’ve kind of covered
all the facets of it. Like there was a period
in the 1990s when I was riding professionally kind of, at like my best for whatever I was doing, but there was a time when
there was people earning a lot of money, like, you’re talking like half a million pound contracts which at the time was ridiculous. Then we went through a spell
where people were racing for the pure love of it cause they weren’t making a lot of money. But now, and I don’t want to get like, into your personal details,
you know what I mean, but what I would like to know is, in your opinion, from some experience, where is the money at in racing? Cause as a spectator you
do look at people and go “got to bet, this guys are millionares.” – Yeah, I’ll tell you right now, that, I’d say, maybe Greg might be. From over years and years, but no one’s making a million a year in downhill mountain biking. But definitely this year for
me is probably my best year because a lot of things
have come together. I’ve got signature parts
which is a great opportunity. I’d love to bring back the
story of Michael Jordan back in the day when Nike offered him, I’m going to guess numbers here, but I think they offered him like four million dollars
or whatever and said and you can have a signature shoe. And he’s, I’m literally plucking numbers out of the air, but the
story that I like to tell and that I like to think is true, is that no, I’ll take two million, but I want royalties
on the signature shoe. – The biggest genius move in history. – And nowadays, the Jordans, – [Neil] It doesn’t happen much, I remember Peaty getting signature, like, sixes on body armor and getting a payout from every single one. Royalties, every single one they sell. It’s a great way a doing it. – [Brendan] That’s definitely how– – [Martyn] Put a couple a houses on it. – Yeah, royalties is great, it’s been great for Deathgrips and for the handle bars and whatever. Nowadays, I’m not actually
in a team anymore, I’m sort of a free rider,
so I ride for Scott. And part of my Scott
deal is, it comes for Fox which I’m very grateful for, but all my other sponsors I’ve drawn together by myself and I was in a very fortunate position to go out and say who
do I want to represent? Who do I feel is the most, is the best products in
the mountain bike industry? And I approached them
and that’s a good way to bring some other people together. – [Neil] Do you have
help doing that though? It’s a lot of work in the off season. – Yeah, it makes a lot of work. I actually don’t. I used to have help from Martin Whiteley way back in the day, back in 2007, but not anymore. But for me, I think the mountain
bike industry is so small. I value that personal
relationship with someone and often like, if I speak to you, Don, and you’re a tire sponsor, and with you we’ve got all
our personal relationship, we can go and have a couple
of beers down at the pub, and then I go, okay, I need
x amount of money, to you. But then it’s come through a third party and everyone feels a bit
like hard done by it I think. And you know, you want
to help the athlete out. You don’t want to give
some other guy 20 percent for writing an email. – [Neil] That’s funny, I had this very same conversation with someone who’s a
team manager for some, a very big manufacturer and they said the same thing. The x rider would be
earning way more money if they didn’t have an agent cause, not because the
agents take the cut, but basically, they don’t
want to deal with the agent and they just pay not as much. – So, to go to your, I love
that personal relationship, I love having, talking
to people or whatever. And I’m in a position now
where people trust me. Like I can go to sponsors and say, “Can I have x amount of money? “I’m going to do this project.” And they’ll give me
money and I’ll manage it. – Cause you’ve delivered it in the past and they can see it. I mean, that’s something
that’s really nice about your set up this year, is that as a fan of the sport, if I’m looking at like well,
what are the top guys using? You’re using the stuff
you really want to use. – Yeah, I’m very fortunate
in, I just went out there and I said I want Envy, I want Max, I want Chris King, I want DMR, I want this relationship. And that is all because of
relationships, you know. And I think definitely, the
money in the sport is going up and I think to value
yourself is extremely hard because how can someone go, it’s really hard for everyone, and I’ve, and if you say, and I think how you’ve got
to value yourself is how many people look up to you, how many people follow you, I hate that word again, but how many people follow you. And that’s like, how
many people you directly, what’s the word I’m looking for? Influence. Because– – [Host] We come to that
word again actually. – Because, like, we’ll bring Instagram into, but if you have 100 thousand followers, like, I didn’t need to follow you if I’m not interested in what you do. I don’t need to follow Danny Mac if I’m not interested in him. I can easy just press unfollow. – [Martyn] I did unfollow
Danny Mac the other day. – Where as if I’m interested in someone, and that means that
you’re influential to them that means you can like bring that, but then I also hate
like, direct selling stuff on Instagram and stuff like that which I really try to avoid. I think that’s a good way
to give you an evaluation. – But you’re faced with that problem as you are an influencer. That’s what I wanted to get, I wanted to say influencer to you because I can tell it’s not a really comfortable thing to think. – A content creator influencer. – It’s influencer because it’s very now. – Hey, you guys are content creators. – [Neil] He’s a vlogger,
that man over there. – [Martyn] Actually, that
guys that’s supposed to be our barman, but he’s
not doing a very good job. – [Barman] What would you like to drink? – [Martyn] I’ll have the same again please. – [Brendan] I’ll have
another monster please. – To answer your question, I think, these days like Instagram and stuff does make it easier to value riders. – Yeah, 100 percent. – And I think people, I’m going to get into the money side of it because I think it’s interesting. I think, I see some riders that you can have a very fortunate year when no other riders are up for grabs and teams have to get riders and you hear these crazy deals that I think, I think as for me like if I’m an investor, I want three times my investment. I think if you invest that money into some of the riders,
they’re not going to give you three times your investment. – No, 100 percent on that. – But you need a rider, like to go to your sponsors to get the money you say, oh look, we’ve got
a podium potential rider, but equally, other people I feel have got bad deals. Well you, you actually
influenced a lot of people. You probably sell a lot of bikes and you maybe not getting
what you’re worth. Only now am I, have I had
enough guts or whatever to go and ask for what
I feel like I’m worth. But you can equally back up and go look, this is this, this is that. That’s what we, – It’s a very strange situation because it’s the stars aligning
that decides your value, because yeah, there have been seasons where at the end of the
year people have got either more or much
less than they’re worth. – And I think, – Thanks, Benlaw. No ice. Interesting. – I also haven’t had
expensive taste in the past and have taken off to Steve Peat and bought a few little
properties here and there. – A few? Anyway, let’s not get into that. (background mumbling) What is your most extravagant, like from your racing
millions and millions, please god I hope that is the truth, what’s your most extravagant purchase? I mean everyone wants to know what their favorite super star is buying. – Probably, my girlfriend. (laughing) They cost an awful lot of money. – You dug that whole all by yourself and I can’t help you get out of it. – [Background Male]
I’ve got to say fiance. – Oh, fiance. – Fiance, congratulations. – Thank you very much. That was a nice handshake. I should’ve left you
hanging there, shouldn’t I? – [Martyn] You should’ve
done, you should’ve done. – [Neil] The RS4 can’t have been a great investment, surely. – You say that though. – [Neil] Really? – I bought the RS4 for, eight years ago for 18 and a half thousand pounds. It had done 80,000 miles. It wasn’t the best one on there. Now it’s worth 14 grand. And it’s eight years older and it’s done an extra 50,000 miles. – [Neil] Not bad. – So, eat your words. (men laughing) – Trust Neil to get it to cars. – [Background Male] From the
man with the poor man’s RS4. (laughing) – Oh, he hasn’t got an RS4. Oh he’s bitter. Did they forget the R off of yours Don? – [Neil] No, it’s got the
R, it hasn’t got the S4. (laughing) – I’m going to come back to a question now this is taking us back
to racing a little bit because we’ve been talking about, sort of, the more modern movement
in mountain biking. You’ve been riding long enough, I don’t want to let you feel old, to remember the kind of, the
original French revolution where there was French riders just winning left, right, and center. They seemed like they could do no wrong, but they were doing it in a certain way, very serious chaps. These days, we’ve got this threesome. (mumbling) We’ve got Loic, Loris, and – [Brendan] Pierron. – Pierron. And they’re very
– There are more, there are more, we’ve got,
– I mean, Annoyingly, they’ve got more to spare, but those three kind of like the, they’re the men in the movement. What, and they’re very cool. – How refreshing,
– They’re very chilled out. – Is this new French revolution. – Isn’t it just? – How is that working
cause it’s so different? – I think what’s happened is they’ve gone and looked back at previous French races and going, geez, no one likes these guys. – Yeah, they’re winning,
but no one wants them to. – They’re winning, but who cares. So the new French revolution are like you’ve mentioned, but it goes deeper than that, it goes to, I hate not being
able to remember names, the other common style
riders, super loose, – [Background Male] Thirion, Remi Thirion. – Remi Thirion also, – [Neil] Frix – Skinny guy, Frixion as
well, super cool style. Another common sell guy,
who’s Pierron’s best friend. Sorry dude. – People in the comments,
– Sorry dudes. – People in the comments.
– Great rider. Would love watching him come down. All these guys and they’re such rad dudes. I think they’ve gone, shit, we’re super uncool back then, let’s pick this up. – But is that kind of change of, that change of approach, is that why they’re doing well? Or is it in the same, they’re doing the same thing, but now they’re presenting
it in a nicer way? – No, no, no. There’s no rhyme or reason dude. Look, let’s just go back in the past, it’s gone typically from
the Aussies to the Brits to the French to the
Aussies, Brits, French, you know, we go around to this, what other nations is probably, not really as dominant as those. And it goes around in these circles and the French are having
their couple of years. – Cause I mean, they are,
they’re fabulous to watch. I never thought I’d
want to see a Frenchman win World Cup Downhills, but I
want to see Loris Vergier win. I want to see Loic, I
mean, I love Loic Bruni. I think he’s, I think super Bruni is, – [Brendan] Carryon, carryon,
what a great addition to their French family,
like, how funny is it. – His year last year was a joy to watch. It looked like he giggled his
whole way through the year. This is easy. I mean incredible. So, I really like where
we’re at with that, but why haven’t the US ever
had a moment like that? So the Aussies have had it. The Brits have definitely had it. There was Brit pop mountain biking, and there’s definitely
French pop mountain biking. US, US pop mountain biking, not happening, why is that? We’ve got Gwin, we’ve got, – I think maybe they might take themselves a little too seriously at the minute. – [Martyn] I like where we’re
going with this, come on. – [Neil] Was he third at the first round? – [Brendan] Yeah, we have him. – [Martyn] Who’s the other
really great, Dakotah Norton, He’s doing very well. He had a really great result at one of their Grit Series races recently, big gap, but he come early, like, by three seconds
or something like that which in downhill is quite a big chunk. – Yeah, definitely. – So is he someone we’re
going to see immerge to like, sort of, take wins? What’s your thoughts on a rider like that? Or you’re not really watching the races, the other ones, you’re
thinking about yourself? – Just myself, that’s all I think about. Can’t bother that. Who’s that bloke again? No, – You know he’s going to
listen to this and be hurt. – No, no, no, obviously, he’s incredi– Obviously, you’ve got your
eye on all of these guys, but, – I guess there’s only so
much you can think about when you’re trying to actually do it. – Yeah, and it’s like 30 guys out there that are potential podium guys these days. Clear to myself, I’m a
potential podium guy. (mumbling)
No, but you, there really is, it’s no longer like, the top five is no longer easy to predict. It’s really not, it’s like you can put 10 guys around there, but there’s 20 guys that
could be on the podium. – [Host] Which is incredible. – [Brendan] Really cool, which makes the sport
– It makes me very excited. – Really cool. The sports definitely changed a lot since we were flying down and doing stuff, but yeah, I think it’s not
changed in a bad way necessarily. – Can we talk about women? – Sure. – The women scene, I’d
spoke to Tahnee Seagrave, – [Brendan] Did she
just not injure herself? – She hurt herself today.
(background mumbling) – Shame.
– Get well soon Tahnee. It does actually really suck. I spoke to her, I think it was last year, maybe the year before and she was saying about like, you know, cause the women’s racing is
very different to the men’s. It’s, you know, a much smaller, – [Brendan] I thought you were
going to say another s word. (sputtering) (laughing) – It’s a much smaller pot of talent in terms of like people
who could actually win. You got 20 girls, but really there’s five who could potentially win. And Tahnee was effectively saying, “look why don’t we just make the race the five that can win” – Really? Yeah. – Which makes me wonder how we would then redistribute that power, but what do you think about
what could the women scene do that could make it
more interesting to you? Or is it incredibly interesting to you? Or have you just not got time? – Pass. (laughing) I don’t think I’m qualified
for this question. – And why is that? Why is that? That leads me to the question of why. – I personally think they should probably even
make the men’s field smaller. – Oh really, now that’s interesting. – Because it’s not for me. It’s ultimately for TV. It’s for the, it’s not, we don’t have the Formula One of mountain biking. And every Tom, Dick, and Harry can just come and have
a go and ride down hill. That doesn’t happen in Formula One. That doesn’t happen in World Rally. That doesn’t happen in World Motocross. That doesn’t happen in NASCAR. And we have a sport where we have 120 guys that hasn’t have a pop at the title. (laughing) It’s like hop a ride down there, like see how well you can do. And not bringing female into it, I’ve got to be very PC which I am and I love the fact this, the women’s sport is growing hugely. Hugely, hugely which is so cool, but let’s make a downhill track that only 30 guys can get down. That’s going to be hugely good, hugely good, that’s going
to be amazing for TV. That’s going to be amazing for spectators. That’s going to be amazing
for everyone involved. You know if it’s top
30 riders in the world, I wouldn’t actually be in that top 30, so that’s not me being, you know. I just think, we’re in a weird sport where we’re like, come on, everyone have a go, everyone have a go. Sure, have a go at mountain biking, but go ride a local race. Go ride a regional race. Go ride a national race. But I feel like the World
Cup is a Formula One. It should be 30 guys puzzling on whether they get over this 90 foot jump or whether they can get
through that rock garden. – Yeah, you’re right. – [Background Male] True, they should take a leaf out of the F&B World Top Diamond Series, Gold
Series, Silver Series. Certain people can only do it. – Yeah, I feel like, and honestly this is not because I wouldn’t actually
be in there right now, but I feel like to progress the sport, like we’re in this weird sport where everyone just comes and has a go. Like, I think, this, sure there’s going to be people
that are butt hurt about it, but to push the sport to the next level, let’s make it, let’s make it crazy. – [Brendan] Forgot the butt hurt, (sputtering) I’ve never heard that phrase. – Well, I’m going to be butt hurt, I’m still going to be
watching in the sidelines. – [Host] You’re actually
kind of agreeing with Tahnee. – But to bring this back to Tahnee, it’s like, without saying that they should have their own race on a different on their own track, but what other sport do the men and women ride down the same track, you know and yeah, for sure, I feel like that’s like where the men’s sport could go. – I mean Tahnee was essentially saying the same thing as you, obviously, the filtering the field so you got the absolute best race of the best riders was
what she wanted to see. So, I mean, obviously,
there’s a lot less women who can do it so you’re saying like bring the 120 down to 30 and she’s saying bring
the 20 down to five. Because let’s get best
– Yeah, and get the five race.
– Chicks and the 30 dudes on the same track. But you know, it’s like, I don’t know. That’s what I’m saying, I’m not qualified for this.
– It’s working at, – I’m not qualified for this, but I just feel like the way we’re all complaining
it’s not on TV anymore or whatever, I think that like that could be an option to make it. – No, I think you covered it really well. And I think that’s really, it’s working out how you filter that who is the top 30, who is the top five women, you know. – Yeah, it’s hard. – Who are those, but
there probably is a way. There probably is. – The world surf tour, you know, it’s so hard to get into that, you know. So let’s just make, I don’t know, make it
harder to get in there, but, – And your point earlier on was like, you’ve got to be able to be realistic about your progression and then use the
– The bar goal is – reality of your progression.
– going to be that still I can get into the World Cup. – Yeah, exactly, but I mean, it doesn’t really stop any thoughts to progression
– progression, no. – It just means it’s another step. – I think the one thing we don’t have for this is the one thing, the problem is that definitely like, the national series in our country, in New
Zealand, in Australia, is probably not good enough to, it’s not good enough to sieve out those elites, but you know, it’s hard, I don’t know what to do. That’s just, you know, I’m just chucking stuff out there, but, – That’s interest–
– That’s interesting what Tahnee said, but yeah. – Fortunately, I’m not going
to ask you to solve it. But I think you got a long way to it. (mumbling) I definitely do, definitely do. – Not without trying to
upset anyone which I will. – Unfortunately, I think
I could probably talk to you all night. – [Brendan] Most definitely. – [Neil] I’ve got one last question. – [Host] Yeah, I think we’ve
got to wrap it up soon. – [Neil] One last question. Was the Honda bike any good? (laughing) – [Brendan] Was the Honda bike any good? – [Martyn] Can I answer
it first as a spectator? – [Neil] Yeah. – Yes it was. – [Neil] I actually got on your bike once without you knowing. You left it somehow and I
jumped on it and rode it down and like a little bit of
a trail and hopped back up and I was like, – [Brendan] Did you? – [Neil] Nah, it’s not
as good as I thought. – No, but I don’t know, were you probably in
the same program as me where it was like, ah, it’s
going to be magic carpet. It’s going to be a magic carpet which we all think, we were like, I’m going
to get the new Fox 40 actually going to be a magic carpet. I’m going to go full 29er, oh, I’m going to be able
to fly down the hill now. We’re all on this same program, but it’s never as bit a jump as you think. Yes, it was good, the
rear shock was phenomenal, way ahead of it’s time, still be good nowadays. The fork, really good bit flexy. Not enough travel,
– That was what you said earlier on. – Not enough travel. – [Neil] The old upside down
forks were flexy anyway. – Yeah, not enough travel, I wasn’t any, wasn’t crazy light. It was about 38 pounds or something. It didn’t roll as fast
as a conventional bike because it obviously had drag, a lot of drag in there. So they said it was
like five or 10 percent more drag than a normal bike. – [Martyn] Why would Honda
put a bike out with drag? – Well because– – That makes no sense.
– The They felt that their
gear box system was worth that detriment in rolling. – And your opinion is? – Well, I can’t really talk, but Greg Minnaar won a World Champ, won a World Cup on it. Won a World Cup Overall on it. – So it took Greg Minnaar
to make that thing win? – Yeah, exactly. (laughing) I podiumed on it once. – I’ll tell you what,
– Did Matti win on one? it looked fabulous. (mumbling) – It could be a default win, but – [Martyn] Wow. – [Brendan] I’ll take it. (laughing) – That was a funny weekend actually, cause Martin Whiteley was
our manager at the time and he’s like Greg, you’re
fighting for points, you’re fighting for points, you go and try to get points, go as fast as you can and qualifying. Matti can you wait for 10 seconds on the side of the track
and play the weather game. And I think with me, it
was just sort of like, just go and do whatever you want, you’re going to do it anyway. Just fly down the hill. – [Martyn] What does that mean, wait 10 seconds on the
track playing the weather. – Well, because Matti had a fast run, stopped at the side of the track, waited for 10 seconds,
then got back on the track. No, he sort of stayed on the track, then got to the bottom, so, – So essentially he
guaranteed an early race run. – So he’s guaranteed to qualify, but down the pack. It’s a rain game. So Martin Whiteley like, so Matthew would go down an hour or two hours earlier than Greg. Then whoever qualified first. And Martin Whiteley, rightly so, didn’t do anything illegal. Weather came in at
three o’clock every day. – [Neil] Although the rule’s changed. – The rule has changed
now because of this. That’s why you get protected riders, that’s why you whatever. So, these days you can’t really pull over cause if you pull over for two seconds, you might not be in the top 60 and then you’re not really qualified. (laughing)
– It has changed some. – But yeah, then Matti came down and put a steam of a run in and won the World Cup. – And sat there all day
just to keep clocking it. That makes me wonder like,
someone like Martin Whiteley, who you’ve had experiences
like your manager and team manager, I mean, there’s not many individuals
out there like him who can like kind of orchestrate a great team result over a full season and
almost guarantee it. If he’s going to run a team, it’s almost guaranteed to do pretty well. – Yeah, I think if you
get Greg on your team, you’re pretty much guaranteed aren’t you? Back then you were definitely. No, you’re right, he’s out
some great teams together. – [Host] And what’s he
doing this year, Neil? Help me. – [Neil] I don’t know cause
I guess he’s still YT. I’m not sure. – [Martyn] They seem to
have gone very quiet. – [Neil] To Angel Suarez.
– Very quiet. I’m hoping he’ll absolutely show the world what he’s actually capable of this year. Come on dude, do it. That’d be great. Right, I’m going to open
up the floor to questions just in case I missed an opportunity. Jack. – [Jack] You going back to what you said about no opening on that Honda, do you reckon it’s the rider
that makes the difference? Obviously, do you reckon
it’s the rider that wins? Or the bike helps? Do you reckon if someone, Greg– – Well, if I say a percentage
of like rider to bike. Great question, Don. – [Neil] 95 percent rider
if not more I would say. – [Brendan] You say that much? – [Jack] Do you reckon Pierron would’ve on three races and the overall
if he wasn’t on that? – [Martyn] Good question, Jack. He’s put you on the point there. – [Neil] It depends more, there aren’t many bad bikes now. I mean, you’ve raced Oranges, you raced, (mumbling) (laughing) – [Host] Oh now, no. No, no, no. Lester Noble, one of my favorite people on earth.
– It was a joke. It was a joke. – No. – We’re joking.
– If you say, if you say something bad
about Canada in a minute, I’ll slap both of you. – I mean my downhill bike
last year weighed 41 pounds. (laughing) 32 now. On to your question,
– So go on yeah, go on. – I’m going to not fully agree
and say its 95 percent rider, but I’ll probably say, 85, 90. So you think that, not just bike, we’re talking tires and brakes and set up. – [Neil] Yeah, true. – Yeah, I mean you can have a great bike, you get your tires wrong, it’s over. – For sure. – Yeah, you’ve got to get that right and that comes down to
experience of the rider. – Yeah, put the right tires on. – The end of the day, the rider’s the guy that agrees with the mechanic, like, yes that is the tire. It always comes down to you guys, doesn’t it? Going I think I know what to do. – And it’s come to experience. – And that’s great, that’s great. Well, dude, I can’t wait to
see you racing again this year. I still think you’re one World Cup away. – Yes. – I mean, it’s quite the goal. It’s quite the prize
to be the greatest man and biker on the planet. And all you need,
– No, I’d say we’ve got – All you need is
– I’m up against – one World Cup.
– I’m up against Brandon Semenuk. I’m up against– – Sorry, Brandon Semenuk
cannot win World Cups. He’s very, very good. – Actually and Semenuk
can’t do backflips, so. – [Background Male] He
can’t win a ninja award. – Yeah, he can’t. (laughing) – He can win, I mean, I’m not saying
there’s not more to do, but I hold out hope there’s
a huge season ahead. You’re on a bike you love. I cannot wait to see you racing. – Well, thank you very much. – You’ve got a bad shoulder at the moment which is a shame, you’re missing Fort William World Cup, but– – But I think, it’s a good run to miss. (laughing) – But going on the weather, you’re not missing out on much and like you said, it’s
not your favorite track so, here you go. I’m sure it’s going to be huge year in terms of race results and definitely in terms of video content. – Yeah, get you all filled
up with some cool stuff. – I had a sneak preview
and it looks insane. (laughing) So do not miss out on what
Brendan’s got coming this year. Thank you so much for doing the podcast, it’s brilliant. – Thank you.
– Fantastic. Cheers Don, Neil. – [Neil] Cheers. – [Host] Absolute professor, nailing it. And yeah, thanks– – Absolute professor on his MacBook Pro. – Thank you for watching
the Mountain Bike Podcast. You can catch it on,
of course, on YouTube, but, of course, we’re on
all of the very popular Podcast apps that slipped my mind. – Apple. – Apparently, go on iTunes, we’re there. Yeah, and of course,
you can also catch all of our GMBN content on
YouTube on our channel. So yeah, thanks for listening. Thanks for watching. Super star Brendan, thank you very much. – Thank you. – Great stuff guys. Cheers dude. – Brilliant, nice work. (fading voices)

64 thoughts on “The GMBN Podcast Ep. 8 | The Brendan Fairclough Interview

  1. 02:00 – Injured and missing Fort William
    13:50 – Atmosphere at the top
    15:35 – Spaghetti Bolognese
    19:10 – Never won a World Cup
    23:52 – Transitioning from racing to becoming an "influencer"
    28:10 – Having Steve Peat as a mentor
    32:15 – Talking up and coming projects (A Dog's Life)
    37:54 – Where is the money in racing?
    44:50 – Most extravagant purchase
    52:25 – Was the Honda bike good?

  2. For me, mountain biking has always been beyond the racing. Brendog has demonstrated,on and off the bike, how fun it is. One of my favourite Mountain bikers of all time. A legend and a fantastic ambassador for the sport. I will watch and listen to anything he does. Sick interview.

  3. Brandon : "I think they take themselves too seriously at the moment"

    Neil creases in the corner 😂

    Real talk though, Gwin and Iles look like they're chewing wasps half the time.

  4. When I went up earlier in the year to help prepare the dh track on a dig day, the ranger would like to changes to the track but its hard to get permission. It all red tape stuff

  5. With regards to slimming the field down, in motor bike racing, you have to have a licence and to progress you have to collect x amount of signatures. Then to progress again you need to finish within the top 50% in x amount of races. Then to progress further, you have to win x amount of races and so on. Maybe this is an option for DH mountain biking.

  6. More of this type of chat with pros please!! But please provide tissues next time, he must have produced a bucket full of snot in that hour 😂

  7. Absolutely quality content as always lads 🤘🏻& as for being influential there’s the brendog, you lads at gmbn & sam pilgrim that got a 44 year old back into it last year & ive progressed so much in a year because of your vids I’m like a totally different rider that’s now catching air doing pretty big drop offs. So thanks 👍🏻

  8. Love the section about the Honda race bike at the end, never heard this level of detail on it!! Love Brendog, quality podcast guys!

  9. Best podcast yet! Closely followed by T-Mo!

    Getting John Tomac on would be a mic drop episode. Get him chatting about the past, and also about Eli, and how he trains him. Gary Fisher would be top notch too!

  10. Do like motorcycle racing ! Race licence and you need build up to international by results and amount of races , you can't just do MotoGP or the Isle of Man tt because you have money

  11. What a cracking Podcast! I had to go out about halfway through and when I got home the first thing I did was watch to the end and that's never happened before!. What a deep and thoughtful guy, he sems to have it all sewed up but a win, hope he gets there soon. Thanks very much for the Podcast to all involved. As to the Qualifying bit, maybe a system like the MotoGP would work, or even a league type system whereby the bottom 5 go down a level and the top 5 in each go up a level. MAybe its a stupid idea but if you are having a course that only the top 20 (10, 5…) can manage to ride then league 2 could start from approx 3/4 of the way down and League3 starts 2/3s of the way down, an interesting topic all round, ask the riders what they want and implement that? I'm sure that those "in the know" will screw it up somehow. 😉

  12. With Bren on about cutting the field down on finals day why not try a a f1 style qualification on the fri and Saturday 4 rounds of 2 hrs of timed runs many runs as u can do in the time and so many eliminated per round then have the fastest top amount of numbers on the Sunday

  13. I listen to this in my car and a comment on the audio quality is that people need to speak into a microphone when they are talking. Very often people are commenting from far away and it is really difficult to hear when your for example is listening in the car.

  14. LEGEND!!!!!!!!!
    Thanks for making me addicted to Downhill!!!!
    I'm 48,and I love shredding the bike park!!

  15. Lovin the podcasts, brendog rocks, (so do don and ash) suggestion for future guests (if they not already lined up)
    Rob Warner (please make it like 4 hours long, I bet he has stories for days)
    Peaty (as above)
    Wyn Masters

  16. Without doubt if Brendog was born in a different era he would have been squadron leader Fairclough flying Spitfires ! Great podcast again guys

  17. World Cup Format: DH1 is 20 licenced teams, each with 2 male and 1 female rider per team for total of 40/10 competitors for each world cup event. To build in the progression element, run open (DH2) and junior (DH3) class events on the same weekend, same track, but keep the field separate and distinct from the main world cup (essentially like F2 runs on same track, same weekend as F1, but is a separate 'feeder' series. The main teams could opt to run DH2 and DH3 competitors if they want to, or leave it to other teams and individual riders. This gives the emerging DH2 and DH3 (Junior) competitors a chance to run on the same tracks, to have an organised series, but keeps separate from the actual World Cup event and coverage. The main TV and media coverage can focus on DH1, but there could be seperate programs produced (not live perhaps) for DH2/DH3 if the equipment is already in place.

  18. Can't find the Podcast on Google Play Music. Is it being posted there? Neil said it was up there in one of the previous episodes.

  19. I think a better way of putting it with Brendan isn't just that he's talented enough to be on the podium and be in the ranks because he's certainly proven that…I would go so far to say that he's probably held the brand name Scott into the record books of sales and for any brand owner he's a major winner for them not just on the podium but off and making sure younger generation of riders aspire and ride with a level of respectful rowdiness that not many other DH riders can hold under their belt….so he may not have won as many races as he'd like he's definitely kicking everyone's ass on the market and in brand reputation. Always been a big fan of BrenDog and his effortless style…keep shredding boys

  20. Great interview. Bren is just the best rider to watch. I'd love to see him win a World Cup but meh. Love to watch any aspect of such a stylish rider. 👍

  21. I agree with the World Cup representing the best of the best like F1 racing does. I also think that World Cup racers should not be allowed to ride in lower ranking races like the British Downhill Series as they are taking podiums away from the riders on that level.
    You don’t see F1 drivers racing F3 or premiership footballers playing in lower leagues.

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