Talib Kweli And Too $hort Talk #MeToo Vs. Pimpin’, 2Pac, Biggie, & Dope Money + Rap | People’s Party

Talib Kweli And Too $hort Talk #MeToo Vs. Pimpin’, 2Pac, Biggie, & Dope Money + Rap | People’s Party

What’s up Party People it’s Talib Kweli, the BK MC the MCEO. Welcome to another fantastic edition of the People’s Party
show I got my wonderful co-host Jasmine Lee in the house how you doing Jasmine — I am chillin over here getting hyphy — You getting hyphy? Yeah baby —
You sound like you from California — I am — Today is a very Cali episode
because this gentleman that we have today he is from California. He was born in
Los Angeles but he quickly moved from Los Angeles to the Bay Area and he is
synonymous with the bay area this is the Og that your Og’s respect.
This is the Og that your Og’s want to do songs with, you understand what I’m saying? Ladies and Gentlemen we got the bay area’s own Too Short in the
motherfucking house. what’s up short how you feeling? —
Doing good man out here ya know surviving the game I’m doing it. — A lot of
people don’t know that you and I worked together on a Strong Arm Steady song
— We’ve done stuff — We’ve done some things together, we spent some time hanging out night clubs — exactly DJ booth Shout out the Strong Arm Steady, Phil the
Agony, Kron Don, Mitchie Slick. Short was featured on the song and in the
video On Point that I put out when I was rocking with Blacksmith so yeah you were
born in Los Angeles — yeah I spent the young years in LA and then I’m like
right when that time you know with it was actually like right when I first
heard hip hop I heard hip hop for the first time in 79 like you know
coming off the you know the rapper’s delight’ and those records that went
national and I just immediately was like this is what I want to do,
immediately. So when I moved to Oakland that’s when I started rapping
so that’s why it’s always associated with the bay was all
everything in the rap was bay. So people who don’t know California,
cuz when I was first coming to California back in the days you know, we
don’t know the difference between LA and Fresno and Sacramento — Different
worlds — what the difference between the bay and like Southern California — I like
to tell people that don’t know the geography I’m like okay let’s say if
you’re from New York and just picture um how far can you get in
five hours on the highway, DC is what four? Virginia? Okay so
that’s how far in LA is from the bay So five hours six hour drive in a
car — it’s a whole different place — By the rate I drive four and a half, but the
difference is it’s like I mean look how close New York is to Philly and how
different you are — That’s right — like we way further apart
than that and it’s like you hear when you’re not from outside you like ‘get in
the car,’ you hear the accent but if you’re from the bay in LA we kind of
hear each other a little different you know you might you can just see it just
takes a moment like oh you from the Bay, oh you from LA, you know. — Now the hyphy sound how did it start? — So you take a um just let me tell you a
little bit about the bay from the early days so when I started rapping we used
to make these homemade tapes, I had a rap partner named Freddy B. Freddy B knew people all over Oakland he was from West Oakland he
lived in East Oakland he did some time as a juvenile and he just was kind of
connected to all these guys so that’s how we got the music out there and when
we were rapping this would have been like we were selling tapes to the
streets of Oakland like 1981 82 83 84 really popular and in the early days
of me and Freddy B I’m telling you there was we were the only rappers it was like
it was like I don’t I don’t care from San Francisco to anywhere you stretched
in the entire Bay Area we were the rappers that was it and from day
one we represented Bay Area rap we like talked about the streets of Oakland we
we didn’t really mimic other we just didn’t we came from our soil so later on
when we got in the studio the formula was to was to try to make songs because
the East Coast was deep into James Brown I love the funk I love James Brown I
love it all but the East Coast was like it had been done they was like all in it
just sampling everything James Brown somebody we got to do the funk so let’s
do George Clinton, up at the same time without even talking or even being in
touch guys like dr. Dre and you know the NWA they were doing this — That
Midwest funk was very popular in the Bay and in the California — So basically we
started this sound and it’s like we just mimicking records like a you know dr.
Funkenstein by Parliament Funkadelic just funky slow bass lines just trying
to get some identity and later after we’ve laid the foundation you got Too
Short, E-40 a whole wave of groups the R&B groups like En Vogue and Tony Tony Tone!
like stuff is coming out of the bay that’s going really big Digital
Underground MC Hammer is big, and somewhere in there you got all this
foundation, and we all that everybody that I just named also has a previous Bay Area
music foundation of Tower of Power and the Sly and the Family Stone and Pointed
sisters — Right, Cali funk — You know just just groups from the bay and I think
when the next generation came after us the hyphy kids they just pretty much took
you know MC Hammer was dancing you know people in the bay they dance in the
streets they dance, we really dance in the club like
you know people stand around like posing, like they dance in the bay
and I just think they took it and made it into they took that funk that we met
that we made sped it up a little bit made it a little more fun you had artists
like Mac Dre, keep the sneak — Yeah shine to Keep — They took that that street
thing we were doing it put it in the club they put a little MC Hammer with
the thug you know it’s just a bay spirit to have a good time with itself
— Feelin myself — so I noticed that something was brewing because the hyphy
was really to me if you had if you had to like seriously analyze it it was born
out of the City of Oakland and the bay in general telling the people under 21
you can’t stand here on Friday night you can’t loiter over there on Saturday night
you can’t be there you can’t do this you can’t do that like I remember being
of age going to the club and being downtown Oakland and seeing like 400
youngsters nowhere to go and they just being a nuisance and then I was walking
the streets of downtown and you know just not necessarily doing crime but it
was like a rowdy little bunch — Right — And eventually at some point I just feel
like they said you know what we’re gonna stop walking up to all these little
buildings getting turned away and nowhere to go and they just took them
they just walk out into an intersection you know it’s popular now yeah just walk
out into intersection and have a party right and then the cops pull up it’s
like how you gonna tell a thousand kids to move and they just have a party
there’s movement and it was like a text message to go out of word-of-mouth and
and it just it was the hyphy movement it was not me it didn’t come from a studio
it didn’t come from you know a dance move came from the streets
so everything that came right out of it dancing and music it started in the
streets so it was like it was organic from the start but then I hear later on
when it became a thing like you want to follow in the footsteps of crunk or
movements when movement starting ago the crunk movement the hyphy movement but it
had a lot of bad stuff to it — What’s interesting that I never heard that it broken down
from like a socio-economic thing and there’s almost social justice piece, it makes
me think of Oscar Grant his situation or at least if if the film
is accurate like they was it was New Year’s They was just trying to party and it’s
like somebody just on the BART right
somebody just turned on the radio and everybody just it’s like a party right
there — and the one individual cop he couldn’t handle it — yeah so that was like that’s sort of
politicized that movement huh — Yeah a lot little instances happened like that, that one just happened on camera, we need that motivation now that we don’t need to
lose that brother but sometimes you need that motivation to bring people to pay
attention — Yeah now speaking of movements you know you retired a few times, you
got 20 albums, you never really retired right? — Retirement is a with me
it’s like a vacation — okay — It’s a negotiation tactic — Okay I get that I get that. Now when you, on
that first retirement, when you did the album number 10, you
was already living you had already relocated to Atlanta by the time you
worked on that album right but then after the retirement and
everybody was like so sad to see short go it’s like you came back out with
lil John and you was a integral part of the Crunk movement — It was almost like
a new career — Yeah it was like a second wind — When I came back
from that retirement and I was making songs with biggie, I was with the deaf
squad, you know air sermon, making big records and you know just just on a roll
man in the studio with jay-z right and kind of you know working with, you name
it! — Everybody — The Lil Jon factor of it kind of it was it sort oflike Lil Jon i’ma tell you Little Jon was kind of stuck at a moment and
some contractual stuff so long story short we handled that and we built this
friendship to where you know I helped him get over a certain hump
and I was like “bro all I want is some beats” that’s what I want and we kind of helped
each other he gave me a new career and I helped him get a career you know get his
career started — right — A whole other demographic — Yes so he taught me this
thing about like the dance floor like literally lil John was a DJ — yes a
reggae DJ first — He was a good DJ from when I first saw he was really good —
And he’s back in that space now the DJ space — But you can see that he
was a that he could be a DJ because he was just like a super hype man he was
like DJ Khaled back in the day As an artist he used to do something
that I haven’t seen a lot of artists do he would immediately take a record off
the press like out the studio and rush to his network like DJ’s are homies and
get that shit going immediately like immediately like he would before the
label anybody Little John would have his own shit popping so what he did to me
was he took me we made these songs and he took me to the club he was like “meet me at such and such club” The Five Five Nine was the first one we did it and he
would I’m and he just it was just like you know just just kick back real
organic and I knew kind of what he wanted me to see he wanted me to see how
the records we made together were reacting in Atlanta and sure enough when
he came on crowd went crazy and little John has these phases in his record
where like you know goes to the energetic part you know say turned up
part and when that part came on the song the crowd just like start doing
backflips and he was you know I just I just got a whole new vision of what I
could be with this guy I’m like we gotta stay on the dance floor now so right
before that I was just all about Street shit slow tempos talking shit it was all
about the bass and you know that the shock value you know — Like the Freaky Tales, The Freaky Tales is for people who don’t know that’s like a
OG West Coast classic like that record is so important — I was a real
player in my whole life man like we were the guys who came to the club always at
the club didn’t really care about going in the club I would but I wouldn’t who
cares we be the dudes with the with the you know everybody got a $100,000
car so I fly outside we just don’t go inside we we mess with the ladies on the
way in and on the way out and we just we actually have a party in the parking lot
and that was I’m from those guys — Parking lot pimping — Yeah like really like the
dudes man you know like that music bumpin out the car
yeah I feel — The the, like, what is it called, dang it. it’s a specific word that we use for after the club or whatever and I just cannot
think of it right now — I use to call it the blowout but I don’t know what you call it — No, ugh, I’m so embarrassed the let out! The let out, The the moon, if you
can’t get in the moon you would just go to the parking lot and it would just be
bumping Somebody told me something recently in
Oakland like man if one of these little dudes with the big rims on his
car in the loud stereo if he plays a certain song
around and just drive around the city and keep playing that song over and over
again and just his car so clean everybody thinks he’s so cool his stereo
so loud he plays that song over and over again in the city everybody gonna like
it I mean the next day like he’s marketing — Marketing that’s marketing — And
ain’t nobody paying him he’s going on strictly what he really loves
and it just that’s how song go off — Steet level marketing — It’s funny how you talk about
you were a clubber, because I met you when you were buying a club outfit at New
York Speed — How you know it was a club outfit? Because you said you were going to a party
and I didn’t recognize who you were at first and you’re like you’re going to
party out like Oh a party going to you probably put all the groupie or
something and then someone else was like ‘oh my god Too Short! Could I take a
picture’ and I was like oh shit it’s Too Short — I will buy some clothes and put
them on in the store and go straight to the party, I’ll do that
— Great commission thank you — Now Little Jon produced blow the whistle — A lot of people don’t know that, yes he did — Yeah and that record when it came out it was a
hugest thing, jay-z used that record to woo LeBron when he jumped on a redid
his own version of it — defending LeBron yeah yeah — Um I DJ a little bit now,
I don’t do a party without playing that record and I’m sure there’s a lot of
DJ’s I don’t see I deejay I my crowd is like a more pure hip-hop crowd but they
gonna be like bitch when that record come on they don’t matter what crowd — There is something about timeless music you can’t put your finger on it in the studio you
can’t make it if you wanted to but when those ingredients fit right it a
certain song is just last forever right yeah I we the best producers can’t tell
you what that is you will sit there and be a genius and love this song
and this other one that just was okay it’d be the one day right it’s your
signature Was it like that? You didn’t
expect blow the whistle to be like that? Okay I definitely didn’t expect it to
last when it came off, out the speakers
it sounded really good Little Jon every now and then, little
Jon will come to you and say listen to these beats other times he’ll come to
you and say I don’t want you to hear nothing I’ve ever made before listen
let’s make the song right now in the studio like a lot of producers abandon
that craft that’s how it always was at first every time when I was a youngster
we went to the studio we always went in the studio with nothing — mmm and you’re a
producer too — I make beats I’ll do everything but I don’t I’ve made the
Beats when I didn’t have producers Right 808s style — Before the luxury
of paying people right when I was like oh you know how to make beats? Here! So I was when I had nothing but a drum machine and a keyboard — You were
a drummer in high school right? — Yeah I mean I could make beats right now just
the luxuries in life but blow the whistle Lil Jon came in there and
he’s like he’s like man I wanna coz I always always knew he had them beats I’m
like just what you got play from the drum machine play a cd, play anything with
beats he like nah we going this he’s like tonight we’re gonna make a beat I
want to make a song it sounds like it’s an old two short song
mind you this is 2005 when we made it but he’s still like I wanna I wanted to
sound like some old too short so that was the goal the goal was not are we
gonna make a club banger he just wanted to make her a record that really sounded
like old the old funk — That’s why it don’t sound like Lil Jon — So he did that
and at the time Lil Jon was just in the middle of his love of crunk rock so on blow the whistle he came in he put
a lot of sounds it was it was really noisy and it was um but it was good
noise cuz lil Jon he had these this way of like doing sound effects kind of
sounds like sorta like a whistle something right and it wasn’t really
like a musical note but it would fill up the beat like whistles and stuff right
and he put rock guitar on it I cannot fucking find that version for the life
of me I looked every fucking every fucking hard drive everything every time
I pull it up is the version that everybody got so we literally had
like a little little showdown we have many many showdowns shake that
monkey was a showdown all right I wrapped a whole different song and
Little John was like Brad that is not what that song is for
he like erased all that he went in there and did to shake that mucky hood and
then I went home and did my homework and came back but I blow the whistle on we
did a mix like the mix you know now is the mix we did but he had all these
extra sounds so I argued with him, like man we should do this, and he’s like ‘man this is dope’ and then when he wasn’t around
I pulled the session up and I was like mute mute mute mute mute the most fun
part of that record in the party is what’s my favorite word, what’s so
powerful about the word bitch — Alright look the song the entire song is numbers
and it’s just I don’t know something about I don’t know if that’s the beauty
of it the simplicity of the beat but then the whole rap is numbers it’s just
numbers I keep saying like with the first verse it’s all mathematical
equations like I’m equating hours and stuff and and if you just listen to it
go back and listen to it and it’s it’s kind of I don’t know I think we got this
real simple magic on that one it’s just like ABCs or something it’s real simple
and the bitch part is fun cuz all these years before that song
came out you’ve been hearing too sure y’all out bitch and sometimes it’s very
derogatory other times it might make you laugh Snoop Dogg turned it into Bi-otch
and Death Row had fun with it and everybody you know it’s became
pop culture right and then blow the whistle I was literally like the shit
had gotten out of hand– Ask Dave Chappelle — Yeah I’m like this is my bitch, and now the whole world is sticking they dick in my bitch, and I’m like, I gotta bring it back home I had I had heard an argument well I was
not involved in the argument but the argument was somebody who knew said ‘you know too short came up with the word bitch’ that’s why I was like fuck no, that’s Snoop Dogg’s shit
and they was arguing it and I was like I got it like like like cement this shit
kind of just to make it mine and that was blow the whistle was that
punishment you go back and listen there’s a lot of sports metaphors it’s a lot of
it’s just really about I’m fucking up in life
just you know the blow the whistle oh that the whole theme is like like sports
like you fuck up foul fucking uh you know right penalty
and shit though the flag blow the whistle — Now we’re in an era now where the woke
era the me too era where people are pushing back specifically on artists
like — We’re so woke and asleep at the same time– Right I agree with that that but how do you feel about the fact
that people will be woke right would be like don’t use slurs gendered slurs like
bitch but then we’ll go to the club at dance to your record to yell that out
— Yeah I never understood why uh you know a young lady a beautiful woman would you
know of all races would spend eight ten years getting the master’s degree become
a successful lawyer and hear a Too Short song starts twerking in the club, I’ve no
idea why that is except I just I think we just I found this space where I share
it with you know I’ve gotten them free legal services from a lawyer who
didn’t want to fuck me or nothing and she was just like I love and it wasn’t
even Blow The Whistle, she was just like I love this song you made called sophisticated in
the song I mentioned like a lawyer who’s like a baller and right like I love this
song shot me some like discounted services
— Right well I feel like you speaking the language of the people you speaking you
know a proletarian language is speaking in the end that that’s what’s beautiful
about hip-hop is that even if it’s offensive to you it represents the ugly
and the beauty of our society — If it’s not fun, it’s funny. If it’s not fun or funny it’s it’s very fucking appropriate for you to step
outside of yourself become too short cos too short as an alter ego for me too
and call somebody a bitch right you yellin’ bitch like, he ain’t talk about me he talking about her like it it puts you in a place where
where you um you can kind of desensitize it because I make it fun on
purpose I I don’t have a lot of songs I was like you fucking bitch fuck you yeah
I don’t take that approach as a writer Right but that becomes it’s that whole
line between this is entertainment this is fun in the same way that Tarantino is
not gonna call someone a nigger and shoot somebody or Martin Scorsese
it’s not a real gangster like this is entertainment right
you did a thing with I don’t remember the website where it was to me and just
from my perspective it was like supposed to be some funny shit where you’re
teaching you’re giving a little kids sex advice now it got taken in a different
way it wasn’t even that it was a it was totally taking a different way it was um
it was a whole spread from XXL Magazine and it was about my new album that came
out that they scrapped that and at the end of a whole day hanging out of
XXL like we were probably up their hour and a half or something, two hours, just kicking it with the staff doing stuff the guy said we got this little thing we do
online, at the time online it wasn’t even like the shit, shit news
like that’s this thing we do online like what it’s like here’s like we just want
you to give advice to your younger self so I never — So it was to
your younger self? — I’ve had about three or four social media fuck-ups before I
learned this is not you know even though you’re not, me personally I’m not
on Twitter and Instagram all day, you are That’s what I was trying to get to — You not
above going viral, So what I did was I I could come back on at that moment
rehearsed and go tell my younger stuff you know save more money in right you
know and you know don’t sign bullshit contracts just some shit like that
but I was like you know what you’re gonna be a player when you grow up so I
was telling my young self and it went on it to give myself some advice
how to be and then dude fucking it was Friday when I did it everybody be cheap
fuck I mean at a XXL ran for cover and said I didn’t do it posted on Saturday
right and they was they said they planed it on the guy who got me to say it right
say he went his own put it up there so the the lady who was running it
everybody there was like too short did this shit and like they never ever once
like I got on the phone with dream Hampton for a long conversation and she
explained to me something that stuck with me since that day and she just gave
me the version of young girls who had been subjected to you know little boy
male chauvinist yeah such as grabbing your top at the pool or grabbing your
butt and running or just all this little stuff or or or or going to tell your
homeboys smell my finger and all this All That stuff that we taught is normal as young men — She say you had no idea on that day these little girls went
home with a certain humiliation or a certain hurt and you didn’t know that you
were celebrating her top coming down you had no idea that you did it in front of
a hundred people at the pool so I got a new perspective on just it was it was it
was to me like training in like social media and just in and being insistent
towards certain things and subjects that I had been rapping about kind of
mentality whatever but not really realizing all the layers of it so you
know social media got me a few times in that aspect but since then I’ve as a
grown-ass man I’ve learned the power of just when to say words certain words
context is everything exactly and without social media it didn’t have that
same ramification you know like a fight outside the club wasn’t
immortalized right you could do that shit pop some shots in the air going in
word of mouth said it was but not camera didn’t say it was you know right — I bring
that up because I saw your I saw you take ownership and grow in that moment
and that’s what we have to do as men I think and you said something later after
that when you were asked I think by TMZ or I could be getting that wrong, about the Me Too movement and you said the art of trying to fuck is over the day of trying
to fuck is over essentially that we had — Trying to Fuck — Trying to fuck that’s
important we have to let the women choose us when you said that I was like
man that’s um that’s a wisdom right there — Because it was it was a certain
art to it all these men had they’re waiting of getting it you know saying
some of it was some of it as we know now was really foul but other guys have very
charming ways of getting and you know I think um I mean we evolve as human’s
yeah and I I have been a rapper who forever has tried to get a female rapper
like be like me talk shit you know and then we started getting little Kim’s and Foxy’s you know it’s starting elements of you see what little Kim and Foxy gave
birth to is now — Yea Cardi B, Megan Thee Stallion — you know and then you
also have you also have different powerful female MCs — Rapsody —
that type of flavor and I just you know I’m like
empower al this shit, so I love with Jermaine said the other day is I kind of get
what he was trying to say but at the same time I love the female the fact
that female rappers right now are coming out that I feel like female rappers are
emerging at a faster pace than male rappers right now — I agree — That we
like, we never like so many female rappers in hip hop ever we only
like one or two at a time forever right and now we accept you know a whole group
of em and they dope as artists. so I’m like man get your money this is hip-hop if
you I mean I don’t like certain parts of hip-hop and I got a pet peeve with the
way certain guys do interviews I’m like I know you couldn’t get to
where you at without being a smart motherfucker
why are you are pretending in your interview and it’s like like they sell
an image them like you know to me I’m like you don’t always got to do that
you could be a character like Too Short and then when someone asks you a question you can
answer with intelligence, you don’t have to be your character when you walking through your ring of life, so I just be like, Bro speak up man cuz they gonna quote you
when you read that shit back write those words you say y’all stupid on purpose
yes it look bad when you read it back Right you get a bad read back — Speaking
about the industry are there things that you are now gonna take a stand on that
you are raising a daughter or things that you would go back and do
differently now that you’re raising a daughter and you’re gonna have to
understand a little bit more about– It’s just karma it’s all karma I believe in
karma I believe that I owe that to the game like that’s like literally like
that’s how I feel like I’m like you have to full circle this thing you did — And I do think our responsibility as men living with women in society it
can’t be I’m gonna be more in touch with women’s issues because I have a daughter
because I can’t that can’t be the excuse it has to be from from inside of
yourself yeah I think but I do but as someone who has a daughter and as
someone who has a daughter who’s who’s over 20 and lives on her own and is
rapping and does shit on Instagram that I’m looking look sometimes and I’m
like you ain’t at that point yet, I got karma too, I don’t I haven’t made the
records you made but I got my karma like like I sometimes I’m look at
my daughter’s Instagram and I’m like I wouldn’t do that but she’s not doing
anything like I have to also let her be her own woman, like like I can’t judge
her differently than I judge 20 year olds when I was 20. My first record that I ever heard from you
you were signed to Jive and my I’ve grown up in Brooklyn I had no idea what
Oakland was all I knew about Oakland was the Panthers was from there and
is in the bay wherever that’s that uh you came out with the ghetto and that
video you got a video got a lot of run MTV and BET — It’s Oakland — It’s Oakland I hadn’t
heard freaky tales freaky tales hadn’t made it to where I was at yet — It was underground — Right so in my mind, Too Short was a conscious rapper — Yup, half and half — that’s right but I learned and you
helped me to learn balance you help you help me to understand that you could be
on one one record like the ghetto and next record like bitch and you could be
— So when you talk to um and I know we all in our era got the chances
to have some words with Minister Farrakhan — Mm-hmm absolutely — He would
take the time and give you some knowledge and answer some questions and
offer some information that you didn’t have about everything and I asked him
about how he personally felt about my type of rap right and he knew about but
good songs and my bad songs he said — He’s very in touch with hip-hop —
He said if that’s what you want to do that’s what you supposed to be doing
he said cuz if you if you if you speak knowledge and it
takes you some just say some ignorant shit to get somebody to learn that
knowledge you’re supposed to do that because the person that you teaching
might not be the person you teach it might not be the person he teaches you
still got a teacher yeah — Yeah, it makes sense because you know the Nation of Islam was
working in the streets in the jail’s they were working with people who didn’t
have access to education resources everything so they had to like speak the
language of the streets to reach them brothers absolutely — It turned me on to a lot of books that
you know sent me in a different direction that right when I was in my
young 30s and you know just just wisdom and that that you know I feel like my
journey has got me my longevity because I wouldn’t have moved to Atlanta
wouldn’t be where I’m at now just certain moves you make — When you
were 30 you recorded with notorious b.i.g the world is failed you did a
couple records with him but the world has failed as the was the first one —
It’s probably the most classic — that’s the one yeah um but that like your
monologue at the end you know– I was in a moment that day man I was in a
situation, I’m sure you’ve been in these situations — You was talking to a specific nigga — You a pit bull you’ve been in a situation where these
rappers you’re gonna do a collaboration song and somehow you second the last saw
you last and motherfuckers have done a damn thing, you’ve been in a situation right — Absolutely — So as an MC
at this moment like it’s just it’s just everybody’s in the room oblivious to
your thoughts and you like fuck everybody’s gassing this track, it’s my turn
I know imma get it I know but you like I got like you can’t go in there
mumble it’s the moment everything is the song is — so, here I am in the
studio when we get there puffy had already recorded his verse he
probably had a coach or something somebody wrote it’s — Puffy is very good at rapping —
And this was, he didn’t have a lot experience back then though– This was Big’s second album — Puff was Green he was green so look, he was he was so proud Carl Thomas did the hook
beat was dope Shout out to Carl Thomas, my
smoking partner — Puff hit play because he wanted everybody hear his verse
so everybody be like, ‘oh you hot’ so now biggie do the thing where he
don’t touch no pen or paper before all the rappers was doing that only
motherfuckers I knew that did that was Jay Z and B they would sit there and
if I had to describe it I think they’re writing like there’s a pen and paper inside your forehead, cos you writing it but you’re memorizing it but it ain’t a freestyle — It’s a vibe — so biggy does his shit I’m over there I
ain’t wrote shit we drinking, smoking, everybody’s laughing and shit
right and big goes in there and says I’m gonna do this shit in one take
and he goes ‘when the remys in my system ain’t no telling’ and he fucks up
and he goes ‘no no watch watch this watch this’
and the next take he run that shit right everybody’s in the
studio going “oooh” and now there is only one verse left so I got my one home
boy with me my boy P and I’m sitting there like blank paper the whole we got
to leave with the song that night you know puff work, puff like
a general in the studio like ‘We gonna make something hot’ right
motherfuckers gonna hang out the window He’s serious so
I’m like ‘my boy’ I said ‘what you think I should do for the song’
he said ‘go listen’ the song he said the hook says the world is filled with pimps
and hoes I just say about those I know mmm he said neither one of them rapped
about pimps or hoes mmm he was like dude he said do what the hook says right so I
say I thought it was a real-life story of some pimps and hoes that I know and I kind
of brought the song home and made the hook in the song trying to make sense
and in the end I’m telling you a story like the people were talking about kind
of got mad at me in real life — He was he was talking from the heart — yeah I just
say no names — It’s just a story they should feel honored — But that’s the genius of puff and big in that moment is that
you know again puff had you in there because he understood what Too Short
representative New York didn’t know what Too Short represented you know when
when big was talking about ‘not from Houston but I rap a lot’ only real
hip-hop cats understood what rap a lot was when he had you on album niggas in
New York was not rocking with Too Short But Puff understood and he knew that it
whether or not him and big was gonna talk about what the hook was on, Too Short
was gonna talk about that — Exactly and big he always told me man from the day I
met him when I met him I ain’t even know he was big I mean he just he met me with
a simple um he was like yo he called me over to the limo is that the Outkast
picnic Outkast used to throw a big ass picnic in Atlanta every year and he called me
over to the limo and he was like something like yo kid yo Brooklyn
Brooklyn fuck with you something like that he didn’t even say ‘What’s up I’m big” I’m just like “okay what’s up” when he blew the fucked up we was on the
tour bus one day smoking and he’s like you remember that time at the limo? He’s
like that was me” I”m like Oh Shit. Him and Jay was like man he was like I swear both of them kind of told me this probably was ten motherfuckers bumping
y’all In New York, and we was one of them The street niggas was bumpin Too Short like the niggas who was rapping but also
had a foot in the street life fucking with the gangsters they was fuckin with
Houston music they was fuckin with too short you know sort of shit.
Puff with puff was trying to do snoop and Dre he was trying to do a New York
version of a snoop and Dre with the the samples and you know he was inspired
by that — The gangster shit yeah it’s all good you know cuz I mean in hip-hop you
have to have a you know elements like I had to have certain things that I
listened to in New York my whole shit the foundation of Too Short is Spoonie G mixed with Milly-Mill and I’m just kind
of like that’s that that’s who I only gravitate to I’m like when I’m writing
I’m like how would you know melly-mel is very gives you a visual you see it — The
ghetto I’ve heard you describe The Ghetto as the Oakland version of The Message, which Melly Mel wrote — The Message changed my life right — And then Puff went
on the simple message later — I was a rapper about two years playing around on
the mic before the message just was just messing around
mm-hmm and it was all fun and games and little Rhymes and shit and the message
came out and I was walking down the street with a boombox by myself when the
shit came up on the radio — Like ‘Broken glass everywhere’ — literally I’m just
I stopped in my tracks and listened by myself on the streets and listened to
this whole damn song going for the first time ever I heard so many New York rap
records and the partying and this shit ‘say ho’ that’s the first time I ever could
see New York, I saw him like damn and I just and it was it took two
seconds I was like I’m going to start rapping about Oakland thats what I said to myself– Do you remember the video for The Message? — A little bit —
it was showed that the Bronx was like they had slumlords burning the buildings down
if you watched the video for the messages Grandmaster Flash and
Melly Mel and them they were walking around the dilapidated fucked-up broke down the
Bronx crumpled buildings everywhere broken glass everywhere but when I think
about the video for the ghetto is like you showing that version of Oakland —
Yeah and um this OG he was a he was always just the slickest
motherfucker in the room the coolest motherfucker in the room when he leaves he
leaving with the girl and you know everybody had a persona in rap and I was
like who do I want to be and you gotta grab something so that was, that was Spoonie G, I took a lot from Spoonie G lot of what he did Spoonie G used to
rap like fuckin a hundred bar versus okay I don’t think the song had a
fucking hook he just would rap forever if you listen to the song as I got out I’m like
fuck the hook and started rapping it right in beginning song and rap seven
minutes to the end just fuck it Y’all had for y’all to be listening to
Spoonie G in Oakland those tapes traveled far — Yeah man and um just who passed away Jimmy Spicer the super rhyme — Rest in Piece to Jimmy Spicer– The super rhyme, the super rhyme was the biggest shipment was out in Oakland
When that was out that was the biggest record in Oakland right like we
took to it immediately — Um talk to me about your relationship with Pimp C — Pimp
C I can only say it was like my little brother like if we had the same mom and
daddy that’s that was my little brother that was the guy who you know I
motivated him to be who he was and every point in the game like he looked up to
me and he wanted to run with me and around me — We talked about you a lot —
Yeah every point in the game he would never let me even flinch on not being
like Short Dog the boss He’d be like “fuck that shit” like he. Don’t say nothing bad about me, don’t say nothing bad about my songs
like anything he would just get pissed and then he would also be at me like
like “man you Short Dog” — Get off that monkey shit — like you know me I play the humble I walk into a room
and wouldn’t tell nobody about no too short shit I just like whatever
hey what’s your name I’m tyler what are you doing and let’s let it float till you
figure it out, C wasn’t like that you, he’d go you gonna know who the fuck we are respect this pimp — That’s right — but no I’m
we had a lot of adventures man that was my guy I am I remember uh you know a lot
of years of them being like, him and bum beat being my little homies we on tour
ain’t no doubt about it you know the line up you know they’re gonna be
opening the show and it’s gonna you know it’s gonna be a good ass show and I just
remember one day I’m gonna say it was st. Louis I just remember it was an
outdoor show and UGK I had to go on right before me and I
do my thing I don’t give a fuck, we down south, put
me on the stage let me do the damn thing but these motherfuckers did some shit
that day, that you like big bruh little bruh and I’m like I go in there
they do this shit and they just rip the crowd, I go do my thing I said after the
show I said from now on when we like deep down south I’m not going on after
y’all y’all go after me like we got to that relationship I had the same
relationship with Scarface — Shout out to Scarface — We on the show and this the promoter has a schedule and then it says Too short eight o’clock
Scarface 8:45 and I’m sitting there in my dressing room getting ready to go on
750 and this niggas on stage rapping and I’m like what are you doing? and he says “You think I’m gonna go after you?!” — So Scarface would ignore the schedule — It’s just to not go on after me, we had the
same battle right now I’m like Bruh quit fucking playing Bruh like go up
like they love you man — What do you think of his run for City Council? —
Oh I thought you were gonna say his rap run? — He still do shows! — I was on the phone
with Brad and we was talking you know about his city council run and I was so proud of him and I was trying to get him on this show I’m like
when you gonna be in LA he’s like shit I got a show in Baton Rouge and I got a
show in Alabama then I got home and I’m like wait a second aren’t you running for
City Council? he’s like ‘I still gotta go get rap money’
— I got a show in Houston on his birthday so we gonna we gonna celebrate
after his after his uh after the show but I just did a show with Scarface the other day
that’s one of my best friends and I just um I think that uh if he was at home and
he got a little weight he’s an OG and he started being concerned about real local
politics which I believe — He really is — I believe are the real politics you
know — Absolutely local politics is where its at — A lot of people weigh heavy on uh did you vote
for president I’m like that I really ain’t like all the way
yo community — That’s exactly right! And and whoever is the president and you
know I’m an anti-trump guy right I you hear me talkin talkin shit about Donald
Trump all the time but I also understand that whoever’s president whether it’s
Trump or Obama that don’t affect the people in the
grass roots level — You have to fight whole different battles — That’s right it’s about local elections
on that level That’s why it’s so good with what
Scarface and Willie D is doing — Yeah Willie is very opinionated —
I don’t know how Willie Willie is running for a City Council but also on
Instagram acting up — Well the one thing I’m trying to really do I don’t think we
got a lot of positive out of Trump but the one thing we did get out you
probably as a politician now you could you can stop biting your lip and biting
your tongue and you can say stuff you can curse you can yeah you can be yourself
and people like it’s a new era in American politics where — America
just likes to feel like it’s relatable I think we talked about this earlier cuz
like if they can be themselves like okay well I can be myself and still make it
too and probably the best thing about Trump being in presidency is that people
realize that anything is possible you just got to put your mind to it you
literally can have no experience and still get the job — Yeah yeah I said that
you know Mos, Yasiin Bey has been trying to convince Dave Chappelle to run
for president — What?! — You know and if if Trump could win Dave Chappelle could
definitely win um speaking of Scarface on the phone when I said that to him I
was like you know I’m an anti-trump guy but you know if you get any feedback
negative feedback from people not liking your lyrics from Scarface or from ghetto
boys point to Trump, you know what I’m sayin? Own that shit — Yeah Trump doing that shit in real
life you just rap it about it — Man it’s crazy — But he also made a lot of
racists that probably wouldn’t have spoke out a lot more comfortable about
speaking out and there are more racists than anything in this — Yeah I mean but
that’s the thing, Donald Trump is a white supremacist and he has a white
supremacist agenda and the white supremacist who felt when were cowering
in the Obama era like maybe I shouldn’t say nothing you see them on the
news when in 2016 they was on the news saying he’s saying what I’m thinking —
Exactly — that’s what he that’s what they were saying —
Exactly — Back in the day like the bay area is known for a lot of
things know for the Panthers — Did you know that the Hells Angels originated — I
did know that — Okay yeah I don’t know how the Panthers and the Hells Angels —
Well you know they had that famous they had that famous concert where the Hells
Angels like killed somebody Yeah the Woodstock, something, Monterey Jazz Fest — Yeah you
know the Hell’s Angels reputation changed after that situation — I don’t know how you get the Panthers and
the Hells Angels from the same city population now is under 500,000 like
this how does that happen But you you know you were selling stuff
out of your trunk — Mm-hmm — You know um the bay area was always seen as the
forefront of independent hip-hop you forty you know even hyphy came — Here is um, I say I know you saw it if you didn’t see it you should have saw it it was a planet
Rock and that was the documentary I think vh1 did it, it was like a four part
series I don’t know if BET did it vh1 it was a four part series that may be
more I don’t know but it was about the relationship between crack cocaine and
hip hop and it told all these stories including mine of how we built these
empires of a crack profits and basically in the early days you know economically
there was no bank that would loan me anything to make music so I started off
the first label I started on was called seventy five girls owned by a drug
dealer who kind of had Rockstar aspirations and he dressed like a rock
star and he hung around you know famous people and people that were local
celebrities and people that had been in you know big groups and stuff because
I’ll tell you we got the musical heritage and I learned from them you
know the ropes like they was buying studio time every night but it was all
dope money and then right after that I was in that situation during 1985 and 86
so in 87 the situation fell apart and the guy who was running the label his
little brother and his first cousin we all started in label we took his exact
formula we went to the same studio that we had been going to we went to the same
manufacturer that pressed the shit up we went to the same distributor and we went
to the same record stores dropping shit up we did the same fucking routine
picked up the checks we did everything you did and basically in between
those two situations 75 girls and the next label we started was called
dangerous music — dangerous right shout out to the dangerous crew — I literally like you
would go to Wall Street trying to raise capital I went to the streets to my old
customers I used to sell tapes to and tried to raise dope money and I
had like I had like a little two sheet it told you if you invest this much you
know we’re gonna make we’re gonna press him up sell it for this and make that
and dudes was like dudes a lot of money was back now I don’t think so Short I
don’t think so I don’t think so and then went home he tapped in it and went for
it and really above and beyond what I put on paper really
invested in this shit and we fucking made millions and it’s like at the same
exact time E40 is right up the road 30-minute drive up the road in Vallejo
and those boys are selling dope and him and his brothers and his cousin
beat be legit we shot they became a family group and
put they dope money in their career are you building empires on this shit
down the road you got dr. Dre who’s a genius DJ he’d been in the world class
wreckin cru they also shit did you know Lonzo and then dre on it you know I
don’t know you know he always wanted something bigger and better right and here
come easy e, a little motherfucker that sells a whole lot of dope
didn’t give a fuck about rapping but he was bad right you wanna be okay I’ll put
the money up and literally in the process of Dre liked this swag so much
we’ve heard this story a few times like the non rapper putting up the money you
know the cool dude in the hood like you do it and then all of a sudden it works– That’s how
every marginalized community has started in America that’s the story of America —
So yeah I’m saying that’s how we became hip-hop yeah it’s just literally the way
we did it like you couldn’t be E40 or Too Short without the drug connection I
couldn’t figure out how to sell cassette tapes and albums if I didn’t do exactly
what drugs did when they sold dope, I did exactly like them that’s how they
like oh you selling out the trunk where the fuck you think the dope was? It was
in the fucking trunk like at the same time we dropping our boxes of cassettes
and shit to record stores and distributors this same dudes I’m hanging
with we pulling up this is not a proud story I tell either, we pullin
up in the gas station and they like window to window big ass blocks and
shit and it just you know just its just, Oakland wild it’s wild — It’s so funny
because it reminds me of TI telling us about how Atlanta was built
up pretty much off of drug money but at the end of the day — You gotta watch
planet rock, everybody’s stories are the same — at the end of the day it’s just
very commendable because we keep making a way out of no way and it’s like I want
to make this music the banks not gonna help me out so now I got to figure out
another way to do it and that all goes back to these corporations not wanting
to bring black people up because if you would just give him a loan from the bank
they would have to sell drugs to his city in order to — You look at my
first favorite hip hop movie was Wild style it’s just showing you the love of
it — Shout out to Fab Five Freddy — No a lot of economics in it except like that the
factor of like ripping it off you know taking it taking it to the art gallery, then we get Beat Street was kind of the same theme you
know they’re trying to explain But then you get Krush groove —
Russell Simmons — Russell goes and gets money from the dope deliver local loan
shark and he builds the fucking Empire that’s that’s what we always on bruh, like
that’s what was on that we was on that shit like go,
Planet Rock the documentary, like we built this shit on crack the only
thing we didn’t do we fucked up we didn’t buy the fucking neighborhood —
Right and then it got gentrified — It got criminalized like the war on drugs like
they started putting everybody away for like the whole crack and the guns and shit
right there was a window of opportunity at that time all real estate was cheap
as fuck I mean compared to the dope profits Oakland always reminds me
of Brooklyn because it’s like across the bridge from the big city but it’s where
all the real niggas is at — And you got a big reputation — You got people proud to be from Oakland and so proud — So in the early days I
used to come to New York right never leave Manhattan farthest we might
go is Harlem right you know get some get some culture right and maybe get a
haircut or buy some weed or something and then go right back to Manhattan so
we go to these parties right and then I can’t really tell you who I was
specifically with at the time like record company rep some shit know where
they might be from but then you’d be in the party and I
didn’t really know Brooklyn cats so it just it would probably like right it
wasn’t on the mic either somebody like it’s just like the whole party would
come in like and cats would start getting nervous and shit — That’s like, but
that’s like that’s like you know if I’m DJing anywhere near the Bay Area and I
play that loonies record and where are you from “Oakland” the same shit –You know Oakland reminds of, people from the bay remind me of
people from the DMV a lot I think they have a lot of the same swagger a lot of
the same style — Yeah I feel like this I think anywhere where you are forced to
being in a certain area that’s not like a lot of square footage and you like
just a lot of real motherfuckers right there right like you for still a it
makes you a certain way even if you’re not a gangster you understand it like
like social media it’s like oh so I was like don’t make that wrong fucking step
right work is like literally like you can’t hide from your words and actions
in a city like Oakland you can’t hide if you say I said fuck Talib this going
straight to you — That reminds me when I um in 1995 I got fired from my job
and I was like fuck it I’m going to pursue this rap shit and I knew Mike and
nine from freestyle fellowship and he was doing good life cafes shit out Los
Angeles, right so I took me and my man juju took a Greyhound bus to Los Angeles
to go, three days, it took three days, we got kicked off the bus all that shit
I went to the good life and I met Tom and Cory from Mr. Journeyman and they
was like this good life shit cool you need to come to the bay I hitchhiked to
the bay — Damn — I went to Leopold’s but outside of Leopold’s because I wanted to
go to Leopold’s because Del the Funky Homosapien was working there at the time, I ran
into King San from the who riders he was like we down with Hobo Junction they
took me to Safir’s cribs, Safir was beefing them with high ruh at the time
yes so all that like when you say you in the bay and somebody say something out
you, I’m an outsider I put myself in the bay area, but what I know what I
notice is that the hustle you talk about that you learn from the drug dealers to
sell out the back of the truck the souls of mischief hobo junction and
them these was lyrical miracle spiritual rappers — Did you know that in the bay we have an unwritten rule like, even to this day has been from day one to now nobody in
the bay charges each other to do songs Oh wow that’s nice — That’s beautiful — Like we just do it you
like man let’s do it it we just do it like yo homies might not like my homies we
still do a song together that’s beautiful I guess I don’t know where
that came from it’s just a courtesy that we just do across
the board. Like shoot me a verse — Brooklyn is kind of like that too like you know like even we you
know got Casanova with this So Brooklyn challenge and you know Brooklyn
is represented by Maino streets in Brooklyn’s represented by Maino
Casanova Fabulous and them uncle murder whenever somebody pop off
with something, not Takashi, they left him out you know but those cats have always done
records together I’m not a gangster rapper at for any means when I was when
I was in my club phase in New York going to Lotus and all that, I would party with
Maino. Maino would make sure I was good in the clubs when I run into Uncle
Uncle murder it’s like the big bear hug I met Casanova just recently you know I
did a show at Brooklyn Bowl me and DMX did the show he came because he fuck with
DMX and Casanova you know I didn’t expect somebody like Casanova to be
fuckin with a Talib Kwelie but he’s a hometown legend, it’s Brooklyn — It’s that
fraternity right yeah fraternity no matter where you at no matter where you
at I don’t give a fuck who you are if you dare tell me from Oakland we have
some kind of we liked, it’s favors and every it’s all everything we family That’s how it should be, would you say that hip-hop is
like American Dream personified meaning it started from the bottom and now it’s
like right up there with pop — I would say that about black music in so many eras
like just you know gospel music like coming out of you know
slavery and just you know meaning much more than just the words in the song
like it it’s deep rooted in in the your DNA and then that evolving intellect the
blues which was basically gospel songs with the words changed to talk about you know love and pain and stuff and if you if you were
back in the day singing the blues your parents might be mad at you if they were
like preachers you know you’ve seen a color purple Shug Avery like if daddy
be mad as hell at you you singing Church songs because listen to the Blues
it ain’t nothing but Church songs basically a rhythm and blues was born
out of that right and and then you got Jazz that goes left and the jazz cats
when they was new and young they was the bad dudes, they would smoke weed
didn’t have no damn jobs you didn’t want your damn daughter going out with no
jazz musician, and your daughter hanging out with — Don’t hang out with a bluesman
don’t date a bluesman — all this stuff so you go into I mean all these genres of
music and these different eras and stuff and then you get the hip-hop and it’s
like I just think it’s like it’s always been a way out mm-hmm music you know
these different genres we create them and I don’t even put music in the hands
of black people cuz if you go to any Motown record it was always multi
culture we got a lot of it was always somebody of different races working into
making a hit but I just say these songs these vibes come out of black
communities like house music you know there’s a mixture of some ghetto kids
and Chicago partying with some college kids you know and they found this medium
and the shit is the hottest shit in the world right now write some shit they
would start at house parties this was called house music — well all EDM was was like
house music — That’s that Molly music baby — It was it was some shit they’re good kids in
bad kids in a place so they just had fun — Yeah you say gospel
that’s why it’s so cool that Kanye’s doing that whole album and now he has
you know his Sunday services where he’s taking R&B songs or rap songs and
turning them into Gospel because it’s so close — Let’s compare hip-hop to sports
They get way more money than us way easier and we just pick football and
basketball and it it seems like they got a better world you know they like dude got millions, but if you think got the turtle and then fucking the hare, whatever the fuck the race is
you know them dudes they be like they slip through the cracks A lot of them can’t be they self thats why a lot of them want to be rappers like when you rap when you when you’re
on your song just another day like that song resonates with me because like you
that’s or correct me if I’m wrong that’s songs like pre-hyphy, right but you talked
about like the origins of the – movement where the way they was driving the in the east, right and and you talk about going a Gary Payton’s house — exactly yeah
I don’t want to be a rapper coach right now I want to fucking still rap
but if I’m playing ball at this point I’m 53 what am i doing
in the stadium I’m coaching I’m managing I ain’t playing so I feel like I get to
go around and still do shows and still get paid
I was doing house parties for $50 when I was 14 15 I was doing shows for
$300 when I was 18 — You was you was making specific songs for people right — I
used to do the customized songs that’s how we got Oakland us that’s how
we really got the city right like literally that’s the how we got the city
is um a guy who wanted to be a rapper who really was a drug dealer
pull it up on me and my partner was like man I got some good ass equipment at my
house you know he’s studios were somebody’s house when
you’d get on the mic and then you hear yourself recorded, that’s
somebody’s house so he pulled us over and sure enough he got way better
equipment that we had and we hang around his house a little bit
and he’s we’re in the house where they sell um PCP and the guy who’s the boss
man who runs the house he knows never say shit does he’s infamous for knowing
how to box real good and he’s a real gangster so the one he’s all he’s known
for like if he get mad at you and he punch it you probably gonna be sleep
and two he probably would shoot you too or whatever he wanted to, he was I mean just known for
being you know that kind of guy one day we offered him a tape he was
like he just went off like I want that shit no rap music ass shit I don’t like that shit, you know OGs listen to some Motown right Marvin Gaye right he was like — Some
bloodstone — he said I remember he said I would listen to that shit if it wasn’t
about me and we was like oh shit, and we was terrified of
this motherfucker so we went we went home that day to our spot and made a
song with his name and just talk about his block and his
crew how you know his car and shit gave it to him
motherfucking didn’t say thank you never said I listen to it
he didn’t say nothin that’s my homie right now today he didn’t say he didn’t say nothing I swear to go I love telling this story but man we walking
down the street one day a little while after that and the dude rose up on this
his name was KD the white eldest pulls up on us and he
like do you know who I am he mad you know he a little bit bigger
than us he a stocky motherfucker like was on 89th and he said he said you
on my block I run this block and then he was like ‘tell you right now if you
motherfuckers don’t make me one of them damn tapes like you made hot lips you
can’t’ like he’s like ‘you just can’t be in Oakland I’m fucking you up’ so we take
the little threat serious do we I mean we kind of like it wasn’t really like
fear it was like okay shit out so we um we should have we come right back on his
block hand him a tape and he gives us a $20 bill we didn’t ask for no money,
he just gives us a 20 then it just turned we never really at first we
weren’t going around at people saying do you want this motherfuckers just kept
pulling up on us like we’d be literally at the bus stop, “hey man you Too Short and
Freddy B” yep “get in the car” okay pull over to some dude named like Big Ice, Yeah I want one, mention my car and my other car block say the block, we just kept
getting summons man and we had a homie named yogi, he was a respected
dude all over the city he wrote us around one day he told uh he told
everybody ‘these my little homies he’s like anybody fuck with him you gotta
answer to me’ people scared of yogi he’s you know the blessing yeah once he said
that we got car blessed and like pull up we had already been doing it to certain
little hood selling it tapes but he was like and then all the kingpins wanted
the tapes and then it would it would be like you could be a little soldier
maybe mean-mugging me like the boss is like leave him the fuck alone so
we DJ — That’s called the power of the jam — yeah we DJ a party I learn
early on just go be friends with the boss, I apply that shit to every city I
touch down in I’m like I’m not gonna be friends with the workers I’ll be friends
with cha after me and the boss get a rapport then I because I’m not I’m not
going in through you. — Now you born in Los Angeles cut your teeth in the bay
I’m born in New York City as Jasmine is — Long Island baby– Let’s talk before we get out
of here a little bit about Tupac because you had the honor and the
privilege having a relationship with this man I met him once as a fan I
smoked a blunt with Biggie and Tupac in a nightclub back in the day with
Funkmaster Flex with DJ Pox. Born in New York you had spent some time in DMV
right — I was born there — DMV Baltimore area — Yeah he went he went to school in DMV, Jada Pinkett
and them, cut his teeth in the bay became Tupac in the bay but then became a
superstar in LA — He wanted that — He wanted that yeah man,
tell us about your relationship with Pac He would also equally have gotten
that in New York because he I think at first he wanted it more in New York — He
did and part of his whole fuck New York thing was about that resentment —
Yeah it really was it really was and so Pac to me was a
little homey I am like you said you pull up in a Bay and a Dale was working at
the record store right I bought a keyboard at a music store from shock G, his name was like Greg or something Shout out to Shock G — He was Shock G he told me he’s He live in Florida now — But
he was like I’m from New Jersey he’s like he’s like he knew about me he was
like man I pimped my way across here and and I end up in a music store I’m funky
and all this stuff and he was serious so I had a thing with Shock, like we had that one little meeting and kind of knew you know respect and he immediately like
it went long from the time that I saw him that he became this in the underground
like it was quick do what you like and they start coming out
so I’m Tupac was a little homey in they crew and our crews are really close
Digital Underground and the guys that I wrote with we weren’t by E-40s crew
and my crew were connected to the streets through cocaine, but Digital
underground and Too Short we were strictly connected to music okay we like
we had musicians I had musicians they had musicians right some of the guys — Shock is an incredible musician — Two musicians shorty be that play guitar and bass and
peewee that play keyboards and everything else yeah they both play for
Digital Underground and played on tons of my songs lots of shit like both
groups and through those two dues that’s where the Tupac connection came because
I’m like I had this thing where like I kind of still got it I had this thing
where my friends don’t like my friends don’t like my music friends okay I can
never mix them up right so I can’t I can’t be hanging with Tu Pac and them be
like ‘roll me real quick’ and take him over there cuz they’re gonna be Oh you Tupac, cos they gonna try to like get you to do stuff
I’m like I don’t want to be responsible for it right so I would keep this shit
separated and it as soon as I finished rapping and doing music I would
blasts over the where I’m at and don’t bring nothing rap with me cuz they be you
know this funny man they may be like it’s my homies right? “Man you on that rapper weirdo shit” but I’m hanging with all these little homies and they like, “you a rapper” it’s a thing. The times I did get to hang out with Tupac it be Short B, PeeWee we pull up on the studio
you know just I I’d like to tell people that every time I saw Tupac, he had like probably like four or five different distinct personas and it was
random, he would randomly be one of them. Like like I knew him for a while before I saw him do an
interview on BET and he was talking all this militant you know black panther
history type of stuff and I was in there watch that going like, “Who the fuck is that?” I never seen him
do that shit other times after that you’d be with him and he started
dropping dropping some little knowledge or something — He had the knowledge, he had
the book knowledge he had a Street knowledge —
Other times you’re like in a biggie movie where he like all walking and he’d be that guy too like blunt cigarette Hennessey and
just be that guy sometimes talking shit that Tupac then other times he’d be like
this you know — The glasses TuPac — like a spiritual brother who super
wise — Me against the world TuPac — Yeah for the ladies right I mean it just
I hung out with TuPac one day when he was like gangster TuPac and I was like man, hmmm, I don’t know about this Tupac was in Atlanta same time as me we
get to Atlanta the mid-90s — He was shooting cops in Atlanta — He really did that yeah and he
was like a mythical guy like like literally like like women, like
Tupac would leave like a trail of like women who were like advertising for him
he’s the kind of dude who if we all in the room and no matter who is the hierarchy let
him talk, like let him have the stage it’s just like, Ice T or somebody like
don’t try to out talk him — What you just said about when he’s room let him talk. That’s Yasiin Bey, Mos Def vibes that’s what I think about when I’ve got Mos
Def in the room he got the floor because you want to hear from him — Yeah
exactly so he was that guy that’s that’s the best thing I could say is you
know that’s the guy that you would like kind of like be really famous around and
for a moment you go “eh I don’t wanna be famous” I’ll go play this little side thing and
watch the show — Now in the bay there’s always a special Bay Area thing
attachment to macking and pimping and playas now we had that in the East Coast
Big Daddy Kane was on that you know Jay and Big was on that but for the bay it
seems to me for now — That’s like Real Pimpin’ Real pimping right now Chicago Detroit
Memphis certain cities, in Atlanta pimping is big all over the country — It’s like give me
a slice of pizza your milk in like in like 5th grade, if you a real friend let me have your milk everyday right now you just said you talking
about Shock G from New Jersey’s saying “I pimped my way to the bay.” What is it about the bay
that attracts that — You could ask a few people and get different things but I
think that um there was a time where Oakland in
general and certain parts of San Francisco were where you go in the city
from the outskirts to get your vices drugs prostitution whatever the
fuck it may be you go in there clubbing Oakland had clubs you know certain parts
of Frisco was it was where you go to you had the shit so what we had in the bay
that was very prominent to what evolve was first and foremost Oakland has the
Port of Oakland — Okay — which is way busier and way bigger than the port of San
Francisco so you bring in all shit that’s coming from the ocean through
this little town right I feel that I figured that’s why the Hells Angels want
to set up shop — That connects Oakland to New York and Miami — Exactly like
cities like Baltimore or Boston have money because you got an open
way to the ocean if your city could touch the ocean right you get money so
that’s one factor then you have um there’s a there was an Oakland army base
there was a Alameda is the city right next to Oakland really tiny cities the
Alameda Naval Base and then right up there where E-40 and them was at in the city
next to Vallejo the city called Fairfield which is about 30 minutes
outside of Oakland and it’s a the Travis Air Force Base so mainly I got this kind
of from my father he never lived in Oakland but here’s like you go up to
Oakley gonna 7th Street the party blah blah you know describing to me what it
was like before I ever lived there and I’ve heard other OGS and Oakland talk
about how certain parts of Oakland was literally you know drugs prostitution
that’s we got to go to club hang out some little bar get to you know so if
you’re a military guy and it’s I just named you three bases a lot going on I
on the weekends — That’s interesting — So you know somebody got to be in there
catering and that’s what you get you get this mentality and when I moved
to Oakland it was a good five years before crack is what we know it to be
like the damaging monster that it is prior to that crack was called freebase
— Right — And you had Richard Pryor and all these people doing it right and it was a
prestigious thing, it was prestigious, it was like a thing that you had to have money to do,
it was like we crack is like you crack head, Free Basing was like some he’ll eat
shit right and even though it was very the same addiction it never you know
Richard Pryor didn’t tell you stories about sitting in Gillette with the lamp
let the candle burn. they was cracked the fuck out but it was called freebase — She
was in the first season of Snowfall and and the first season they talked to
did they make a journey up to Oakland freebase yeah that was a little bit
accurate — We had all the bad shit with all the shit to come up to the bay and
get all the bad shit and to Oakland and it just it just became a a very very
powerful city of lots of economic opportunities in in the early stages and
it was like I mean it was like it was getting real money like you can’t have a
town a city with population 450,000 and you got you know 20 30 millionaire drug
dealers, like I where is all this money coming from? It’s not coming from Oakland
it’s coming from the fucking suburbs That’s right — Coming into the city,
go read The New Jim Crow — Michelle Alexander I sell that at my
website kweliclub.com I have a bookstore, we sell that
book — And it mentions Oakland a lot — It does — And it’s like at the time it’s
mentioning very significant things going down in the time of I’m a high school
I’m 19 I’m 20 I’m like I know this shit I was in this shit like it hurts to
realize that you were kind of like you know the guinea pig you know like an
experiment as far as what would crack do as far as what we did what what happens
if we change the laws and police different right it just it became mass
incarceration like we helped them make the formula for that shit — New Slavery — How to
police and it’s like it’s legal but it’s not you know I’m saying like you’re
gonna fucking criminalize this shit to that effect and what you end up with you
ended you fucked the shit up fuck that yeah it’s fucked up cuz we had a balance
in the hood we had a major balance every hood had and it was called kingpins
and it was fucking it was law the law you don’t fucking go against what the
kingpin says you don’t rob the old lady and you don’t fucking shoot so-and-so
for no reason nothing goes down without being what was supposed to go down — It was a code —
Or you or you violated it. So after that we lost the kingpins then we had
all these uh you know these second guy in charge third guy in charge becoming
the boss and they wasn’t cut out for that
then you had no bosses and then you end up with a generation of kids like, ‘my
daddy got killed my daddy is in jail before I was born’ and they who raised you ‘My grandma raised me who raised you’? I raised me, like what the fuck — Or hip hop raised me —
Man and it’s so, something that we don’t talk about when we talk about
all the problems we were like you know shit you put us in this situation man
like literally it was the opportunity man I King Pins told you, “You gonna sell
dope you gonna play ball you stay after school” You know what I’m saying, or you would get in trouble. And I really believe like
we should’ve bought the hood when we had a chance we could, at least to own the real estate,
and now you look at my Mexican homies what they do? Soon as they get a block and get one house buy they buy the next house they
bought a whole Main Street every fucking thing —
Kingpin is a character that that name kingpin is a character in the Marvel
Universe Ryan Coogler from Oakland and the Black Panther movie Oakland is a
character in this movie and it’s like the scene — They open the movie with a Too Short song — That’s right and you, a Too Short song opens in the black and — In the truck — Did you know that he was — No I did not know I
was surprised as everybody else because movies like that don’t really get you
don’t get previews that was so fucking flattering — That that movie that
whole Wakanda Black Panther thing and it was a connected with Oakland it opened
up a lot of people to afrofuturism what is the future for Oakland? — Well in
the light of cities like Oakland and Brooklyn
being forced to embrace gentrification you look at it I look at it from two
different angles I look at it as um you know that the the relocation of certain
people and that’s that’s the downside you go
will you gentrified area you got to relocate somebody and a lot of people
are moving out to those old raggedy suburb houses it’s like reverse white flight —
— Reverse white flight — Yeah and the suburbs that they
ran to are now ghettos some of them and then you know downtown areas and areas
that are close to economics which used to be like you know you go downtown even
though the the corporate was there it still it was ghetto on the streets in
certain cities so now we getting this little facelift and I want in a guy like
me can coming there you can’t keep me out
you can’t economically source outsourcing me all right or block me out
I’m in — I’m in — And I’m like you coming in doors, so I might gonna fly me down
on the water in Oakland I might you know go to the best restaurants now in
Oakland there are so many of them walk up in a white bar or the Asian bar and drink
with you and just be like hey yeah what’s up ya’ll, but that’s not given to everybody and I mean
it’s so powerful bro like we had the the Governor of California come to Oakland
to be the mayor for one term that’s right and basically he just did it for
money he did it to he started the gentrification movement he put all this
shit in motion where you get all the permits and shit but never did a
Hispanic or a black person get to be on the on the construction crew or or get
the bid or anything for a certain job or you know utilize this company local
company he called in his homies and they made a lot of fucking money starting to
the early days of gentrification now now that is in motion it’s like you know you
can’t stop the much like the blob you know like it’s probably I think it’s
just the opposite of white flight like like when you have to move like is this
you don’t have to move but you got to move because you can’t afford hitched up
it’s the same fucking thing No doubt — You know and we like right next
door to San Francisco so they’ll calling West Oakland, South San
Francisco so yeah Same thing happened in Brooklyn
they changed names of neighborhood you know what it is
you represent old-school Oakland shout out to the Bay Area’s own Too Short
People’s Party, We Love Too Short at the People’s Party give it up! — Biiiitch

84 thoughts on “Talib Kweli And Too $hort Talk #MeToo Vs. Pimpin’, 2Pac, Biggie, & Dope Money + Rap | People’s Party

  1. Big thanks to Too $hort for bringing it! And thanks to everyone for watching. Be sure to check out and rate the audio podcast!


  2. Lots of History. Lots of Jewels. If you all watching The Godfather of Harlem about Bumpy Johnson. Then you know the role of the Kingpin in the hood.

  3. Talib has gone a long way from hip hop. He spends his time arguing with anonymous twitter trolls. Great because his music is terrible

  4. Alameda, born and raised. Rooted there till this day. Too $hort influenced and raised a lot of people on his music! He has always been real, I'm a true fan! Thanks for the music $hort!!!!

  5. People in their 50s lose they minds when Blow the Whistle comes on. My uncle will literally stop whatever he’s doing and start bustin moves 😂😂

  6. I sell my CDs out the trunk too, Shorts a big inspiration to me. I'm actually paying my bills off it now and i know one day I'll make this a big business!

  7. Short Dog, just like his brother from Vallejo E-40 is an amazing storyteller. He's adjusted to every era without abandoning what he's known for. Legend 💯💯

  8. Everyone from Cali should know and recognize that Too $hort is the West Coast Godfather of Rap. ✊🏽 Also, shouting out Mac Dre is cool but you have to follow that up with Rest In Peace Mac Dre… Dope interview!! 🔥

  9. Too short is certainly right us men have to let theses females chooses us men because now days you can't even say hi without being considered thirsty by women smh.


  11. I got chills knowing that this interview was ending. I wish this was another hour worth. I'm 49 yrs old and It's dope listening to this Oakland OG!!
    Hats off to The People's Party!!

  12. I been listening to Too Short since 1987. My white accountant Dad was a huge fan down the road in the South Bay from Oakland. He bumped it in the car, at home sometimes(my Mom wasn't a fan, too nasty haha). I remember as a 6-10 year old sneaking into my Dads tapes and putting on the headphones on the tape deck and listening man. Its a part of my life as much as anything. Huge Respect from my family.

  13. We used to bump Too Short heavy out in Texas coming up as a kid in the 80’s. My mom always played him when his songs came on the radio.

  14. Loved the episode, respect from Ukraine. Big ups for subtitles – this way non-native speakers can catch everything.

    P.S. At first I was sad to see VintageHipHopSeattle rebranded, but now I'm feeling good about the change thanks to this show being hosted here. However, is it possible to get a list of recently deleted songs from the channel, please? I am referring to joints like Brothers Uv Da Blakmarket – Livin' In Da Bottle and The Nonce – Mixtapes. I can't imagine my life without those two, and I'm afraid that me and other people might just miss out on something beautiful, which was silently removed.

    Thank you very much for keeping hip-hop culture alive. Peace.

  15. Too short and lil Kim song go hard. There collab was epic!! I wish they do it together on stage one da!! Call me if you need someone to talk to call me. 💯💯

  16. 43:20 theyre talking about the Altamont Free Concert where The Rolling Stones hired Hells Angels as security and ended up killing a black fan who jumped on stage.

  17. You can call 8 ball in the corner when you shootin pool but when you play the game of life aint no stupid reals you gotta go for yours at all times if you don't nigga yours will be mine and I don't go to bed early wont sleep to late and I never take a punk ass bitch on a date you say too short baby how you talk so nasty ooo that's some gangsta shit love short

  18. Paraphrasing: "I had all these positive messages, trying to put my city on and they only give me credit for saying 1 word" Too $hort

  19. Great Interview. What Short left out about Oakland was not only was it filled with drug kingpins before crack hit in 86', but you had a strong balance of black progressiveness/consciousness too.

    It was Chocolate City West Coast. It had the largest concentration of Black professionals,Educators etc of any so called urban city outside of Atlanta and DC. #townbiz #townbiniz #oakland

  20. As much as I love "Blow the Whistle", I think "Burn Rubber" is better, but people don't talk about it as much. Another song produced by Lil Jon.

  21. The Bay, it's hip hop history, is SO MUCH more than the blip of time that was the hyphy movement from like 2002-2008. It was kinda fun, had some good tracks, and a lot of bay veteran rappers started doing it. But like Short said, it was a lot of bad shit. Too me it was mostly bad shit with a lot of trash music. Way too many people jumping on the hyphy bandwagon especially after Mac Dre died was wack.

    The Bay is also much more than , even though I got love for em, Too Short, E-40, and 2pac. It's hard to explain but they are yes the ones associated with major labels which gets you street cred nationally. Most people, especially from NY, see it as that. Bay rap= hyphy, Pac, e40, too short. It's crazy.

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