Restore your health – with Dr Zach Bush: “Living outside the Matrix” Podcast Episode 44

Restore your health – with Dr Zach Bush: “Living outside the Matrix” Podcast Episode 44

Welcome to Living Outside the Matrix, the
show where we explode some of the many modern myths and questions some of those
things that we think we already know about. Hi there, I’m your host, Nigel,
and on the show today it’s a great pleasure to welcome back Dr. Zackh Bush from the United States. He joined me back in episode 26, where he shared with
us a radical new look at the roots of health and why so many of us are sick, and at
what we need to know to reverse this situation; how we can empower ourselves
with knowledge to make the right lifestyle choices to enjoy health and
longevity. Dr. Bush is a triple board-certified M. D. in the
States. He’s also a researcher with his team in
his lab in Virginia and he’s published several peer-reviewed scientific papers.
He’s also a well-known speaker and educator on the subject of gut health, on
the microbiome. So with that said, I do hope you enjoy the show. Dr. Bush, thank
you very much for taking the time to join us today, and once again a very warm
welcome to the show. — Thank you so much, Nigel, for having me back. Really
appreciate it. — Great, last time, Dr. Bush, you gave us a fantastic overall picture of
the health challenge that faces us all really in terms of the many strands
that come together to explain our dependence on the soil on the tiny
microbes within it and also the tiny microbes in the human gut and indeed on
on the body and you spoke of some studies that revealed our total genetic
dependence if you like on these microbes for our genetic coding which in a very
very alarming stuff but very very empowering knowledge all the same you
also brought together a number of strands in illustrating how food no
longer contains the nutrition that it once did and you gave us a history of
how farming has changed particularly with the introduction of glyphosate for
example blocking the the sugar made pathway making our food void of three
essential amino acids etc etc you also pointed out brilliantly how gut
health and how much we need gut health is a foundation for health and you
defined it if I remember correctly as a broad and diverse microbiome an intact
lining to the gut and a healthy immune system behind that lining and then you
pointed out rather depressingly that glyphosate actually attacks all three of
those components health but you also be showed us that that it’s the gut
microbes actual communication system that we need to support our health in
the form of these redox molecules that you explained and then you gave us some
good news in that the redox molecules can be produced in a healthy gut if you
have sufficient diversity and they’re also fortunately thanks to mother nature
as you said they’re available in supplemental form in the product to
restore so I’m sure some of this will overlap with our conversation today but
I was wondering if we could kick off I’ve had a number of questions from
listeners and various sources and perhaps you could start us off with just
a little revision of the immune system and how it deals with inflammation with
respect to this cell cell communication that’s improved with the you know the
these redox molecules made by the the the the gut bacteria so why why is it
the loss of this communication system leaves us susceptible to chronic
inflammation and indeed how does the better communication deal with it if you
like perfect so there’s a number of Cascades and you know similar to our
definition of gut health that had those components of the microbiome the gut
lining in its shield to the immune system and the immune system behind that
so those are kind of those three major elements of gut health then we can ask
about you know specifically around the microbiome what do we mean by that and
why is it supporting or how directly as a supporting the immune system as you
say the immune systems you know behavior and role in the body
is obviously one of protection and one of recognition right and so you you want
to protect yourself against everything that’s not you
and to do that you need an inherent sense of self-identity at the cell level
and that comes into this interplay between the tight junctions which is the
velcro that holds that whole gut lining and all of your blood vessels and
ultimately your whole blood brain barrier together in the outside world so
the velcro the tight junctions are really the starting point of your
self-identity anything outside of that zone not you anything inside of that you
as that barrier breaks apart you start to lose that self-identity and starts to
get very confusing for the immune system as to where it’s going to attack and I
believe this is really the fundamentals of what we call autoimmune diseases
right these conditions where our body or our immune system starts to attack self
as if it was a foreign invader and so we have you know one in one in four girls
in the United States by age 12 so you have antibodies to the thyroid gland
already so they’re self attacking the thyroid thinking that it’s some sort of
foreign material so that breakdown self-identity is a big piece of this but
when we ask about the specifics of well how does the microbiome act or in
concert with or participate in this recognition protection mechanism it does
it by a number of different behaviors number one the microbiome has a direct
detoxification effect right and so one of the major things you would like to
keep out of your body is heavy metals plastics you know weird endocrine
disrupting molecules from the oil compounds that are in our nutrients that
we pointed soil for fertilizers all these kind of petroleum-based compounds
obviously plastic in our environment has become ubiquitous it’s you know most of
the plastic on the planet that’s polluting our environment is actually in
the nano particle size tiny tiny little particles of plastic so it turns out
that the microbiome itself has incredible gifts that detoxifying the
environment for us each species seems to have its own niche within this you know
broad role of detoxification meaning that something like the spirochete that
would causes Lyme disease is actually really good at detoxing the environment
from sulfur compounds for example and so we call these chemoheterotroph sore
bacteria that are able to use multiple different sources for fuel for the human
we need to use carbon-based organic structures for nutrient delivery but
these these chemo heterotrophs meaning that they can use multiple different
fuels can reach for things that our body doesn’t know how to utilize as fuel and
so they can chew up solve for compounds as fuel from their perspective they’re
not detoxifying they’re simply using that as a fuel source so that’s one
example of what we think of as a pathogen is actually very impressive
important role in our microbiome and should be represented in small amounts
just to deal with these these toxins in our environment or potential chemicals
that if entering our body become toxic mm-hmm
other examples would be things like the fungi so there’s over half a million
species of fungi and in that vast you know Kingdom you’ve got all these
different roles of processing out of out of the soils and out of your gut
different compounds that the human cell struggles to deal with so the organisms
themselves can by utilizing these things as fuel and utilizing them as building
blocks for their own production of enzymes and that kind of stuff will
absorb things that shouldn’t our body so they act as a very beneficial sponge the
second part of the microbiome in the immune system is the production of
enzymes and so the enzymes are all of the machinery of your cells enzymes are
responsible for everything from breaking down oxidants you know so your
antioxidant world is enzymes it sounds like an antioxidant is the
opposite of an oxidant in fact it’s not an oxidant
the opposite of an oxidant is a reductant a reductant is a molecule that
can add an electron to a reaction the oxidant absorbs an electron from the
same reaction the opposite of an oxidant is a reductant but they can’t actually
neutralize one another until the antioxidant which is a huge huge enzyme
comes in looks like a giant pac-man you know the old Atari computer game or
whatever so pac-man comes along grabs an oxidant and has to grab a equal and
opposite reductant to combine into a neutral thing and then it ejects it as a
neutral salt and then will grab another one
so we antioxidants are not the opposite they’re just
machinery that will chew up oxidants through the combination with reductants
so those enzymes as well as many other enzymes you know a lot of other enzymes
are doing cell repair DNA repair they’ll do machinery for responsible metabolism
or breaking different large proteins into glucose so that can be used for
fuel or breaking glucose down into different components of carbohydrates or
lipids down into fatty acids and then those fatty acids burned through a bunch
of enzymes into an electron flow that goes through the electron transport
chain converts to ATP so I’m just throwing out all these words that not
necessarily you stick for your listeners but it’s more just a sense of there’s a
lot of machinery and all that machineries enzymes because you so in
that gut lining there’s two types of enzymes there’s enzymes produced by the
bacteria and the fungi in the microbiome itself and then there’s enzymes that are
produced by the gut epithelium that are that are secreted into that gut
environment to help with detoxification metabolism all these different things
and so you in an ideal gut you’ve got you know your bacteria utilizing for
fuel and resources you know the stuff that we can’t use it’s functionally
detoxing our environment and then we have them producing in concert with
human production of enzymes this whole workforce of enzymes that’ll do massive
effort to keep you moving interestingly current estimates are that bacteria do
nine parts of every 10 parts of the work done by enzymes so 90 percent or so of
the enzymatic work done in your body is done by bacteria okay you haven’t even
been begun to calculate how much work is done by the fungi and the fungi is a
much much bigger picture much more difficult to measure because they
actually would come in very small amounts within the gut and still
contribute very significant things and so more recent data is showing that
there’s fungi in our brain whenever we get damaged so Alzheimer’s for example
if you stay in the brains of Alzheimer’s for for fungi you find candida glabrata
which is a common yeast in its mycelium like form and so you have these mycelium
like root structures that look like neurons that are growing around the
damaged areas the brain and one might think oh well
those must be doing the damage for that would cause Alzheimer’s disease in fact
it looks like it’s the opposite that they’re moving in to try to support a
damaged environment and they’re trying to rebuild you know resources fuel
availability to damaged sites and so we have not just in the gut but through all
of our physiology we’ve shown this in the breast breast cancer on one side has
a very specific bacteria that’s prevalent in it called Mycobacterium or
a meth lab bacterium rather and then on the healthy breast it’s finger Monas and
so you have these two different populations of bacteria that are taking
care of healthy breast and then once the inflammation and chronic disease starts
to get set up a finger Moniz can no longer survive so methyl Oh bacteria
moves in to help maintain you know as much health as possible in a damaged
environment so we have this cool reality that the microbiome is functioning as
this workforce for health and recovery not just in the gut but in an actual
tissues of our body the prostate the breast the brain all of these tissues
actually have living microbial life that are there especially when when damage
starts to accumulate so that’s two of those kind of big categories I would say
you know you’ve got the direct bacterial usage and then this whole enzymatic work
force so what is it that comes first in when chronic inflammation sets in is it
the fact that our microbiomes are have been so diminished is it a fact that
we’re all walking around with a leaky gut which is which is you know letting
particles through and therefore triggering an inflammation response
what’s the what’s the the you know the first cause in the in the sequence yeah
I would say the first cause is probably death of the microbiome and so or a
contraction of the microbiome is maybe a better way of saying that because
there’s gonna be weeds that are very resistant to the toxicity of our
environment we see this in a Roundup Ready farm where we’re spraying the
entire farm with roundup and glyphosate and these toxins all the time well that
that chemical will kill the vast majority of plants on that farm but
there will be two or three species that eventually emerge to take over that farm
because they’ve developed resistance to that toxicity and so we
this in fact that we probably don’t ever wipe out the microbiome we just continue
to narrow it and narrow and narrow it and narrow it the sheer number of
organisms on a farm or within your gut may be pretty similar you know you might
have one quadrillion bacteria still but they’re only representing half a dozen
or a couple dozen species versus one and a half quadrillion of 30,000 species so
it’s that narrowing of the gut that I think is probably the beginning of the
collapse and that’s happening largely because of the antibiotic environment we
live in if you live in a municipality that that recycles you know it’s
drinking water from you know other municipal sources so you’ve got sewage
from sinks and toilets going back in getting processed cleaned and putting
pump back out either into the municipality or maybe downstream to
another city down the down the demand pathway the drugs that you find in there
number 1 antibiotics number 2 the birth control pills and number 3 statin
cholesterol-lowering drugs so we have the residues of these pharmaceutical
drugs in our water and so we’re drinking antibiotics from somebody else’s doctors
that just got peed out into the toilet and then we also see people dumping
pills down down toilets and everything else and so they may not even even
consume them themselves with a little dump a bottle of pills down down there
and so we get you know narcotics and all kinds of things dumped down sinks and so
we’ve got a lot of residue of antibiotics to that mechanism in the
United States we’ve led the cause for the physicians directly impacting your
gut with antibiotics current statistics really has been stable for in our
country for the last decade or two decades where we prescribed 833
prescriptions of antibiotics for every 1,000 men women and children that’s
pretty disgusting now per year so 833 prescriptions for every thousand persons
per year in the United States and that’s been steady on the rest of the developed
world is slightly behind that but marching towards us quickly but it’s
disgusting how many antibiotics that’s seven point seven million pounds of
antibiotics per year dumped into the American population of 300 million
people so you do the math and it’s you know 300 million people let’s say
roughly ten million pounds to make the yeah you know for every 30 persons you
got a pound of antibiotic how many pills of antibiotic are in a pound yeah it’s
just disgusting math you know the whole thing is gross and so we’re getting that
but all that pales in comparison to the biggest antibiotic like to say and so
that glyphosate chemical was was not patented as a weed killer it was
patented as an antibiotic later antifungal antiparasite and so this
thing kills small organisms in the microbiome and that one you know
compared to the eight million pounds of antibiotics we’re dumping you know
hundreds of millions of pounds of that into the US soils worldwide we’re at two
billion kilograms per year now by bayi you estimates and so we’ve got a lot of
this antibiotic being dumped into the environment and sadly that’s ubiquitous
because it’s water soluble right and so now you have a water soluble chemical
that we probably talked about last time which is going into the water system
which means it’s going to evaporate and be in the air you breathe in the United
States currently we measure about 75% of the air we breathe especially in the
Mississippi River Valley in California and other heavy agriculture areas
seventy-five percent of our air is contaminated with roundup an antibiotic
so we’re breathing antibiotic 75% of the rainfall goal of an about antibiotic
life is eight so you can start to kind of wrap your head around how fast were
narrowing the global ecosystem by most estimates we’ve lost forty to fifty
percent of the biodiversity on the planet in the last 40 years through this
chemical environment forty percent of the biodiversity from billions of years
of existence on this planet just in a link of time and so it’s a devastating
reality that this our dedication to killing other microbes is killing us
ultimately which is a good thing there should be checks and balances in nature
and there certainly are it’s good that you know the information you’re sharing
with us actually helps us to see this and and even if it’s not recognized by
those at the top you know with perhaps their hands on the levers I think you
know we’d probably all agree that the change is going to come from the
grassroots from from people you know applying pressure and there needs to be
a some sort of campaign to reduce glyphosate use that that’s much is
definitely true to bring this back to the diminished gut
the diminished microbiome in terms of diversity leaves the the immune system
at a at a disadvantage how can the is that what actually leads to to a lot of
this chronic inflammation and how specifically does the reintroduction of
a communication system if you like you with the Reid redox molecules that are
made by various back Tiffa bacteria how does that address the information issue
bird yeah so as that enzyme workforce starts to die back you the first thing
that you see is this vulnerability of those tight junctions and that
vulnerability of the tight junctions is because the toxins that are now being
produced by potential bacteria other pathogens within the gut you know
parasites these guys can produce something called lipopolysaccharides and
these are a class of chemical compounds produced by bacteria fungi and most of
all parasites when they’re stressed and so when they’re stressed by an
antibiotic or when they’re stressed by an imbalance in the ecosystem they can
start to produce like polysaccharides lipopolysaccharides just like roundup or
glyphosate just like gluten in its breakdown product lee Aden just like
alcohol just like non-steroidal and and anti-inflammatories all of these things
impact that velcro tight junctions and we open up that that gut lining at that
point of loss of identity we start to have to react to everything you eat and
drink right or breathe for that matter so every time you take a breath all the
pollen and all the stuff that’s in the area breathing is now going to shoot
right through that membrane and and demand a response from the immune system
there the immune system through the gut is is accounting for something like 60
to 70 percent of the total volume of your immune system body wide and it’s
taken up in just a couple of millimetres of space right behind your gut membrane
so gut membrane is huge it covers two tennis courts and surface area that’s
just that millimeter or so right behind that got lining that gene 60 to 70
percent of your entire immune system lies it is probably responsible for
somewhere around 80 percent of your total body antibody
production the antibodies are these little proteins that attack or an
identify for an invasion and so we do all of this work at this gut lining to
to do damage control at the gut one of the fundamentals of inflammation is
there’s two forms there’s acute inflammation and chronic inflammation
acute inflammation is life-saving and really extends life makes you stronger
not weaker right and so acute inflammation a good example of this is
bone health and so when you run down a set of stairs it turns out that that
impact exercise causes millions of tiny little fractures in the trabeculae which
are kind of the almost spiderweb like formations within your bone structure so
you create all these micro fractures from just a little bit of impact
exercise as magnet micro fractures immediately send out chemical signal via
the immune system tingling cascade to say hey need repair so these osteoclasts
maliki enzymes move in and start chewing up the damaged bone and they call in
osteoblasts which starts laying down new bone behind them at the end of that
process the bone is actually more dense and stronger than it was before the the
event and this is why impact exercise is so good for bone mineral density is
because we actually are calling in this constant regenerative rejuvenative
quality to the bone and so that’s the process of kind of acute inflammation
make you stronger not weaker the problem arises when you start to have so many
acute injuries that you outstrip your body’s response capacity right and so
you can almost picture this like walking around with a little reservoir of you
know life-giving water in your hands and every time there’s an injury a little
bit leaks out if you suddenly open up the entire gut membrane in two tennis
courts and surface areas suddenly a sieve from exposure to glyphosate you
suddenly gonna open up this massive cascade of acute inflammation
inflammatory responses it’s only a matter of time and it’s gonna depend on
your overall state of health as to how fast this is gonna become clinically
evident for some people we see that they can live in this toxic environment for
decades before they start to really elicit this cross
inflammatory shift where they’ve run out of that reservoir and now every injury
is just becoming its own source of continued oxidative stress whereas some
people will tip over very very quickly and the more deprived you are microbiome
the faster we’re gonna see this shift from acute inflammation into chronic
inflammation partly because as you lose microbiome diversity you lose the
integrity of the tight junctions and everything falls apart behind that do
Thiam sorry to interrupt you here but to do the redox molecules travel through
the the permeability of the gut membrane and do they go systemic other do they
assist the the if you like homegrown redox molecules that our mitochondria
make is there a sort of a a symbiosis between the two kinds of molecules and
and and you know how do they work with the immune system counteracting this
inflammation beautiful that’s perfect so what we would like to do iris is moves
each individual back towards acute inflammatory response mechanisms and out
of this snowballing out of control chronic inflammatory process and so the
way in which the bacteria seem to be doing this and of course this is all
brand-new science from our laboratories right here it’s nobody else is studying
this exact mechanism at this point so we’re very unique we’ve published a
couple papers on this now we have six more papers coming out over the next
year we’ve got a lot of data that’s building now is that how this mechanism
works so you know know that you’re listening to a biased sources you know
that you know the universities don’t yet entirely believe this story they know
that outline pieces of the microbiome is fixing the immune system I knew that
because I was a cancer researcher when nobody had described as how what is the
link between that microbiome and cancer or this chronic inflammatory State and
so what we’ve teased out over the last six years is this an ordinary
relationship that it’s not actually the bacteria and the fungi themselves it’s
actually the molecules they make in the digestion of food so in the metabolism
of nutrients and resources in the bacterial and fungal microbiome each
species has to create an exhaust there’s these metabolites or kind of exhaust
coming out of these chemical reactions and those metabolites are exhaust kind
of is these carbon molecules that we call
carbon snowflakes because each species makes a little subset of different
variants of these carbon ring molecules what we’ve now shown is that if you take
just those carbon molecules of just this kind of communication potential out of
the microbiome sterile product and you put that into a human small bowel or
colon membrane or you know just in the last couple of weeks if you just got our
data back on the blood brain barrier so anything that’s tied together with these
velcro tight junctions you put this microbiome communication network into
play and suddenly the human nucleus this the human cell starts producing protein
very specific to the tight junctions so one protein is the largest constituent
that is responsible for that tight Junction and so within seconds and
minutes of this exposure we start to see protein synthesis happening inside the
cell and then those are trafficked out to the surface of the cell and they
integrate into this extracellular matrix to keep the cells tight together in
communication so that is a profound you know new era where we’re starting to
realize that the microbiome is controlling protein synthesis inside
human nucleus and we’re increasingly teasing out which are those prominent
proteins so that one is the bell crow but one of them is something called the
DPP for enzymes these are enzymes that are detoxifiers they they clear a number
of different compounds out of the gut the DPP for enzymes are produced by the
gut lining as soon as the the communication network that we’re
supplementing hits so we put the supplement on the gut membrane small
bowel and suddenly you see this huge production of DPP for enzymes to bring
us back up to par because it turns out that glyphosate in addition to killing
the microbiome wipes out the human cells ability to make these detox enzymes and
so we see the communication network as a bacteria and fungi supporting the human
production of detox molecules so I mentioned that the enzymes from the
bacteria are working in concert with the enzymes of humans it was fascinating in
quite amazing and somewhat humbling to find out that the microbiome was also
supporting the human cell to make more of its own detoxification mechanisms
with the dpp-4 enzymes deep
before is interesting because it chews up toxins like lipopolysaccharides that
I mentioned earlier the glyphosate chews up a lot of these compounds that would
be breaking up up to tight junctions to begin with furthermore it breaks up the
Sanyal and compound that’s that’s kind created when the the tight Junction
injury begins and so Sonia Lin and is a protein within the body that needs to be
broken down and then there’s all of these you know detoxification mechanisms
so we’ve shown at these different sites you put the communication supplement
into play you get increased in in dpp-4 enzymes you get increase in protein
synthesis and tight Junction formation you get an increase in the electrical
potential across that membrane because you’re building stronger and start
stronger barrier systems the next step that’s really profound that we’ve shown
is that the microbiomes do the same mechanism of the communication network
is actually speaking directly to the synthesis of the antioxidant glue the
glutathione so we mentioned that the antioxidant is like this big pack up man
enzyme that chews up oxidants by combining them with reductants it turns
out that glutathione is your biggest reservoir of antioxidant account
accounts for some 85% of your total body antioxidants if you walk into a health
food store in your area almost everything on the shelf these days is
claiming to be an antioxidant all of those antioxidants on the show you know
from vitamin C to alpha lipoic acid all of these claims that are being made
either by supplements or by food themselves blueberries you know
everything’s claiming to be an antioxidant it turns out that very few
of those are a direct antioxidant but let’s pretend they’re all direct
antioxidants the entire contribution of your nutritional or dietary sources of
antioxidants account for four percent of your total body reservoir of antioxidant
in other words your body produces 96 percent of your reservoir of
antioxidants and 85 percent of that is going to be the glutathione so a very
important constituent and you your ability to neutralize inflammation when
it happens stay in this acute inflammatory response mechanism where
you get stronger not weaker with every insult glutathione is very hard to
supplement because it’s very short-lived in the bloodstream and so if you
go to an integrative medicine doctor and you’ve got a chronic inflammatory
condition they’re likely to recommend to you glutathione IV and so they’ll give
you an intravenous injection or infusion of a bag of glutathione that bag of
glutathione will increase your levels of glutathione and bloodstream for a few
minutes but by the time they take the needle out
of your arm and you walk out to your car you’re back to your baseline of
glutathione so it’s a very short short short burst it can be helpful because
it’s basically saying okay let’s just soak up a bunch of inflammation right
now by the time you get home whatever inflammation you’re creating you’re
gonna still be behind the eight-ball but at least for a moment we soaked things
up and maybe we can kind of throw things in the right balance so be me we’ll be
more sensible to actually address the body’s ability to make its own Galicia
content on so profound right so what we’re showing now is that if we expose
the gut membrane in small bowel and colon to the communication network of
the microbiome we suddenly see 18 hours of sustained production and we’ve only
tested it out to 18 hours there’s some other six eight-day studies that we just
finished up that are probably going to show that we’ve got you know you know
six days of continuous increase in production of glutathione but just in
those first 18 hours we see 800 percent to a thousand percent increase in your
glutathione production that’s such a ridiculous number and the fact that
that’s a sustained production over hours and hours versus this you know a couple
seconds or minutes of an infusion of glutathione is a really big shift in
your physiology and so when you start to bring this supplementation story back
into the human system this is why it’s becoming one of the fastest growing
products on the market is because as soon as people start this thing there
starts to be really fundamental shifts in their kind of youth of buying a fact
when you were a kid you had such a huge reservoir of antioxidants and all these
compounds that if you fell and scraped your knee the skin was completely healed
and didn’t look like it had ever been injured four or five days later if you
take a 90 year old and they trip and fall on the sidewalk and they skinned
their knee they may still have that wound in a year and so you know we
slowed our healing rate down steadily as we age and that’s exactly tied to the
rate at which the body is able to respond to this these acute inflammatory
pathways to do regenerate okay so we can see that inflammation is
a is a you know big problem you’ve said before it’s the root of all disease and
so forth do assuming that most people are not walking around with a healthy
microbiome producing 96% or whatever it is of the required Colucci earth ion and
all these other things most of us are severely compromised in in in terms of
our gut integrity and microbiome diversity so what about things like in
various plant-based foods what about the lectins what about the problems of
eating wheat with some of the lectins in there and and and are these
fundamentally inflammatory or is it only in the context of us walking around with
damaged digestive systems essentially that we need to to be wary of these
lectins and perhaps eating wheat on a regular basis what would you say to that
I think it’s definitely the latter there for sure you know we you know let the
lectins are gonna end up being similar I think in in form and fashion to things
like alpha lipoic acid which are the common compound and some are healthier
foods you know the the alkaloids that are this huge medicinal category of our
plant-based medicines that are naturally occurring in the compounds you eat
something like kale and these dark cruciferous vegetables we know they have
huge anti-cancer effects and everything else that anti-cancer effect is
delivered through these alkaloid compounds when you have a disturbed gut
it’s actually very common for you to be very sensitive to you and your immune
system be overwhelmed by alkaloids and so they’re inherently like the very
medicine that we’ve relied on since the beginning of time we’ve always said that
let thy food be thy medicine is kind of the the hallmark of Chinese medicine and
Hippocrates and the Greeks and all that and so we’ve recognized for thousands of
years that food should be our medicine that was true right up until the 1970s
and then of course the 1990s when we started spraying everything with a
compound that blocked the ability of the food to make medicine all that said I’ve
got a lot of patients that have nightshade sensitivities the nightshades
are very rich in a lot of these alkaloid compounds and so as you develop a
deficient microbiome a kind of narrowed microbiome you start
to get leak across membranes and your immune systems in an overwhelming state
then these alkaloids can act as oxidants and actually make you sicker this is
actually precisely how we discovered restored which was restarted with
patients in my nutrition clinic and clinic in 2010 with just giving them the
healthiest foods on the planet in extreme volumes we were juicing like
crazy we’re just getting all this nutrient into our patients in an effort
to reverse chronic disease through the natural medicine that was in the food
did you notice to interject there did you notice that as soon as the gut
membrane was zipped up effectively did you notice that suddenly stopped I mean
was it as clear-cut as that well it’s interesting we didn’t have you know we
hadn’t discovered the compounds yet and so at that stage we were seeing healthy
food make people sicker which was astonishing and totally mind-boggling
for some years do you see that now though yeah so now what we see you
discover restore and you put that in you see people become tolerant to foods that
they’ve never been tolerant to or at least not in recent decades
so we pollutant you mentioned you know the whole wheat issue gluten sensitivity
is absolutely part and parcel to the glyphosate presence in our food and
furthermore we published two papers in the last couple years specifically on
the reversal of gluten sensitivity mechanisms and the reversal of
glyphosate sensitivity mechanisms by adding back in the supplementation and
the way in which that happens we are now untangling and so we just found that the
gluten sensitivity is not innate to human biology in human biology you have
to have a receptor that will grab the gliadin compound from the gluten and
then release zhanlin and that holds on you and toxin cascade to induce that
tight Junction injury that velcro leak that turns out that CCR 3 receptor is
very poorly expressed it’s scarce on the small intestine and colon of the human
when were in a healthy state if you had glyphosate to those membranes within
hours you see CXC are three receptors all over the place so we’re up
regulating the very receptor that would cause gluten sensitivity and so it’s a
really extraordinary you know chemical this glyphosate compound when
you destroy the microbiome we make vulnerable the tight Junction we take
away the dpp-4 enzymes that would protect the tight Junction we decrease
protein synthesis of the protein scenes that would make the tight junctions and
then we you know do this whole injury downstream by further expressing through
the stress of the cells which is like a hypoxic injury they lack oxygen when
they’re exposed to glyphosate and they start expressing these Mahdi’s receptors
on their surface that then make the individual much more sensitive to I
believe not just gluten but also the alkaloid containing nightshades and
other compounds and so we have nut allergies we have seed allergies through
our whole region right now there’s a massive amount of meat allergies and
people getting anaphylaxis from a specific molecule within the mammalian
meats of beef pork lamb all of these mammal meats are causing anaphylaxis
about six hours after consuming the food and it’s been rampant and so it turns
out when we measure this antibody across the American population 100% of us
expressed the antibody so we’re all getting exposed to some weird compound
in our food now and we’re reacting to it and I think it’s definitely got to do
with the fact that the vast majority of our farm-raised mammals everything from
the beef from the pork and lamb is all being raised on genetically modified
crops that are rich in glyphosate which are predisposing some sort of shift in
the receptor environment of the animals and then we go and consume that meat we
ended up with a totally different result and there’s receptors on our guts
meanwhile that are reacting to these compounds so it seems to me that eating
organic and avoiding processed meats and perhaps avoiding wheat due to its
copious amounts of glyphosate used in its production it seems that these are
all sensible strategies if you like that people should be weaving into their
dietary choices if they wish to avoid all the negative effects of essentially
a leaky gut isn’t it because what I’m getting is that ultimately the problems
really start although although there can you know you the diminution of the of
the microbiome is causal but once the the floodgates open
once once the gut is permeable that seems to be when when everything goes
pear-shaped isn’t it absolutely unfortunately this can be prevented you
know with with the use of restore and and and a more diverse microbiome and
don’t which can I ask you gone we cut probably before but you know in
addition to the supplementation in the store and eating organic getting outside
is critical right you need to get that microbiome back from breathing bacteria
eating wild fermented foods that have been exposed to the air to absorb all
the microbial life out of the air and so we got to get our environment change not
just you know what we buy at the grocery store but physically what is your
environment if your environment is you get up in the morning in a drywall box
that you call a home and you get into a garage in a plastic lined car and you
drive to the office which is another cubicle that is off gassing some sort of
weird plastics in an environment that has forced air you know heating and air
conditioning and then you get back in the car and you go to a gym at the end
of the day that’s in them you know again and in a vacuum sealed environment with
artificial layer and everything else it’s like if you’re never touching
nature your microbiome is going to get more and more narrow just out of your
you’re just kind of passive exposure to antibiotics and your lack of
reintroduction of diversity from your environment fantastic so that’s a means
of constant re inoculation of the guts is to get out there and be in contact
with environments maybe dog parks are one of the best you know you got all
these dogs that are scruffing around in the dirt sniffing each others butts
licking your face you know they are microbiome delivery systems you know and
so think about the you know animal life would how much animal life are you
touching me do you have you touched a horse recently have you touched a cow
recently have you touched you know a chicken have you picked up a chicken
before you know all of these things these are fundamentals that were natural
in day to day life of humans through for thousands of years and suddenly we just
out sourced all of that through mechanized scaling of the farming and
agriculture environment is point where most people have never held a chicken
most people have never touched a cow and and we’re missing that exposure to
nature so do you see that them in terms of
macronutrient profiles of the diet do you think do support a higher fat lower
processed carb approach to eating with respect to gut health due to the fact
that different food types obviously feed different bacterial colonies and perhaps
you can correct me if I’m wrong but if we’re the more processed carbs and the
sugars tend to feed the pathogenic bacteria bacteria and also you also
you’ve got the idea of that sugar being a dirtier fuel than the ketones so
broadly speaking do you do advocate or support you know a high fat diet medium
protein low carb that sort of approach I know there’s variations within that
overall I differ a little bit from that my favorite macronutrient is complex
carbohydrates so complex carbohydrates always come integrated into a couple of
very important things that we don’t think about enough in nutrition which is
fiber fiber is probably one of the most critical pieces of a stable microbiome
anti-inflammatory and everything else we know that fiber immediately decreases
colon cancer risk as soon as it gets in there and everything else so so fiber
comes with your complex carbohydrates and so do the mineral and nutrient
diversity and so those those three elements the complex carbs themselves
are really cool diverse fuel sources the fibers both soluble and insoluble play
different roles in the immune system and protection from cancer and beyond and
then that these micro nutrient delivery systems everything from the trace
rare-earth minerals – you know these eight octave there’s a periodic chart
elements that kind of control the rest of them if you don’t have Cobalt then
there’s another eight or so with within that family that suddenly can’t absorb
well and are not bio available to the body so there’s all these you know
interplays that you’re gonna get from the complex carbohydrates complex carbs
are coming from you’re very healthy you know fruits and vegetables heirloom
right and so I have very big concerns about these hybrid species of tomatoes
and hybrid you know carrots and with that
these carrot fingers that we now serve and things like that that are have no
resemblance to a real carrot pulled out of the ground
tomatoes are a very good example of this though agent modern hydroponically grown
quote-unquote organic tomato that’s now legal in the United States would be
called organic has never touched oil has almost no lycopene which is the main
anti-cancer compound in it has no it’s just a void of it and all it is is this
big red orb that’s kind of artificially colored and artificially nutrient is by
petroleum products so you’ve got you know a real divorce from that so I’m
talking about when I saw about complex carbs and a relatively high carbohydrate
diet I’m talking about complex carbs things like you know sweet potatoes with
that skin on it’s got all that mineral content things like that so that’s my
favorite single you know macronutrient category because of its existence of the
fiber of micronutrients second favorite is the fats love the fats my current you
know belief about fat is that it’s very important that again this is from
natural sources of fat and so the the fats that I prefer the most or from the
small things the seeds the nuts are my first two then I go to more of the
macros that we would see in the coconut or the avocado as kind of being the next
tier up but the oils that are in seeds and nuts are really profound and once
you’ve sprouted those and you’ve gotten those plants into kind of a protein
synthesis growth mode again the oil ratios change and I think you get a lot
of health out of that so a huge fan of fats from natural sources like sprouted
grains our sprouted seeds broccoli seeds for example have ridiculous amount of
anti-cancer you know properties to them a lot of anti-inflammatory properties
sprouting your almonds sprouting your nuts before eating them things like that
can be profound so you know this kind of process of you know getting at those
fats is really critical I’m really intrigued by mushrooms as a
macronutrient source there you have a small amount of complex carbohydrate but
most of them are very unique protein structures then some very interesting
oils and so a huge fan of mushrooms olives are interesting with their
delivery systems and ratios between protein and fats then third of all you
have pro genes and proteins and turns out are as
a macro nutrient source confusing they’re not a fuel your body can’t use
protein in any form if it’s gonna be use it as a building block it has to tear
every protein down into an amino acid and rebuild it into something useful you
never take a piece of muscle from a cow eat it as a steak and then that suddenly
becomes your muscle it just doesn’t work like that you’ve got to tear that down
into amino acid building blocks and then you make all the amino acids available
to the human being and then if the humans got all the hormones and all of
the epigenetic environment that it would say okay it’s time to build lean muscle
then it will pick up amino acids from that those building blocks and maybe
build a muscle cell if Americans actually got muscle from eating beef
then we would be nobody we’d be invincible and most muscly group in the
planet so vacuum or the most obese and so protein on your plate never converts
to protein in your muscle it’s a big process so it’s not a fuel it’s a
building block if it becomes a fuel ask to turn into glucose first and so the
process here is that if you eat protein anything beyond your daily requirements
of amino acids your liver can get it getting information for your brain
that’s keeping track of that so right now current estimates are that between 8
grams and 12 maybe most extreme would be 20 grams of protein are required for
amino acid building blocks a day 8 to 12 grams is a fraction of any kind of
macronutrient diet you know a kind of balance it’s kind of zoned diet yeah
exactly a zone diet would say you want 30% carbs
30% fats 30% protein kind of mix you know twelve eight grams you’re down at
like five percent of your diet as as protein is actually going to turn into
an amino acid base that would turn into your building blocks for your muscle the
rest of it gets turned into sugar and so it’s a misperception that a protein diet
is a low carbohydrate diet at the cell level right it’s at the cell level it’s
actually way more simple in its glucose and carbohydrate structure than a
complex carbohydrate diet is so anyway that’s so there’s a misperception on
protein for so all those reasons and then in addition
to that the fact that if you eat high on the on the protein scale and you’re
eating way up the food chain and you’re eating beef and pork and lamb and on
that threshold you those proteins are inherently found the acidic drive the
inflammatory process especially since your microbiome is damaged they’re going
to feed the firmicutes the Firmicutes are the ones that really support this
chronic kind of inflammatory state of the gut lining yeah you lose the support
to the Bacteroides favorite genus that’s kind of the big family that’s gonna
support the antioxidant pathways and all that so we get an unfavorable microbiome
shift in a high animal protein diet what about some some of the animal fats and
let’s for a moment assume that we’re raising our animals well and we have
good animal husbandry that they’re not fed on antibiotics etc etc do you think
there’s a need for certain animal fats arachidonic acid and things like this or
do you think I know you advocating in your clinic a plant-based diet I’m just
wondering where that where that sits and is it because all the meat that we are
that with is available for us to buy is actually a load of rubbish and shouldn’t
be consumed or is there a more fundamental lack of need for these
certain animal fats obviously some people disagree and think that there is
a need for them yeah so you know tackle the fat quality first and definitely
agree with you that you know if you are raising your own organic meat and it’s
raised in a you know wholesome non stressed environment throughout its
lifetime it’s going to have a much different you know oil status than
something that’s raised through a conventional methodology that we look to
a feedlot kind of system that you know the vast majority ninety-five percent of
the beef pork lamb is produced through these conventional pathways fish is
another good example of this the vast majority of toxins on the planet are fat
soluble not water-soluble so this water-soluble toxicity that we see with
roundup or glyphosate is profoundly unique and dangerous it’s a good thing
that most the toxins on the planet are fat soluble because it means that can be
sequestered away in the body from our brains and
away from our organ systems by storing it in the fat and so the fat deposition
of toxins is a very protective quality well now if you picture a whole food
chain that’s very toxic and in its production its fat is gonna be the stuff
we’re gonna find all the heavy metals all the weird chemical residues from our
pharmaceutical industry all the weird residues from the plastics of Troya mall
that’s going to end up in the fat of those animals and so we have a huge
problem that we’ve contaminated the fat of our food chain wrong fish good
example of this the fatty fish the darker flesh fish like your salmon turn
turns out to be the most toxic and heavy metals mercury being a good example
plastics the amount of plastic absorbed into these fish are gonna be much higher
if they’re fatty your your white flesh fish that are low
fat things like your trout sea bass your and things like this are gonna have a
lot less of the mercury and heavy metal deposition in them and so they’re not
going to tend to have this big Depot and so for those reasons you’re right we
have a problem on the planet we talks Pheidon fat then the question you had is
you know is fat perhaps are there fat constituents within the animal kingdom
that we need as humans and the answer that I think is definitely no and the
main reason is because we have six pounds of bacteria that turns around in
our gut on a daily basis six pounds of bacteria dying off and being reborn is a
lot of lipid molecules and so this is I believe is actually where we get the
vast petroleum not only our unique lipids that we don’t usually make as
humans and therefore we would need to consume from our diet we also make a lot
of the macronutrients and micronutrients right how much protein you get from six
pounds of bacteria that’s a lot of material right and so you’re extracting
proteins lipids all that from these dying bacterias they move through your
gut and so I think you’re extracting a lot of those necessary things and so the
media industry has claimed that Oh humans need meat for b12 for example
well yeah cows don’t produce b12 the intestines in the microbiome of the cow
in the room and gut produces an enormous amount of b12 and that’s why that b12
ends up in the meat it’s not inherent to the steak at all the steak never makes
any be 12 so in the healthy human we should
be making a ton of b12 in our gut as well less than a cow but certainly
plenty to keep us replete in b12 where we run into problems is that we can get
autoimmune diseases that damage the cells within our the chief cells within
our stomach lining that make the the intrinsic factor that binds to b12 and
allows it to be bio Deval this if we lose microbiome we also get a propensity
to a difficulty of methylating the cobalamin which is the precursor to
vitamin B into its methylated form and so microbiome loss and you know death
disease and damage to our intestinal lining from autoimmune events can make
us very prone to deficiency in b12 but in the healthy gut you’re a make plenty
and good examples of this is the the seventh-day Adventist Church and so in
the late 1800s the one of the founders of the Adventist Church movement I
decided they should all be vegan plant-based in there as part of their
kind of stewards of the earth mission as part of their religious faith and so my
clinic I’ve got dozens and dozens of people that have come out of that church
and they were attracted to my clinic so they heard here’s a doctor that will
support me and tell me it’s okay for me to be vegan and so interestingly happy
to help measure you know b12 levels and other nutrient levels in third fourth
generation vegans and so these are children born to vegan parents for a
hundred years you know and what you find is normal b12 levels which is amazing so
without this implementation you see these people producing their own
nutrients so that’s an example in the vitamins side but I believe the same
thing is happening on the lipid side because none of them have birth defects
none of them have chronic inflammatory conditions frankly there’s some of the
healthiest you know cohorts we have left in the United States as a seventh-day
Adventist so we know that this diet and the American Dietetics Association put
out a 60 page document in 2012 I think it wasn’t it was 2013 somewhere in there
and that was a 50 page document that that had hundreds of references and it’s
showing that their conclusion was supported their conclusion was that at
every stage of life from pregnancy and and
kind of fetal life through to infancy through to you know rapid growth of
toddlers to adolescence to adulthood to geriatrics a plant-based diet in a
healthy form is adequate to support all mechanisms of dietary needs for the
individual so that was that took them a long time to come to that conclusion
because they fought against that concluded for four decades actually and
that it rests on the the assumption that you’ve got a healthy gut yeah and you
know and and so is it is that are you you know the fact that nobody has a
healthy gut today is that mean it’s a bad idea being vegan I would say no it’s
great idea I’m biased but in my own life I know I’ve been healthier the less meat
and less dairy I eat the healthier high yet and so I can show that very clearly
even my own labs my own exercise performance my body wave my my lean
muscle mass my general energy level my productivity level I’m a producer on and
on the enth level because I’ve got a low level of inflammation and I’ve supported
that through a plant-based diet now I let your broadly a paleo let you know
paleo conferences and all of this and I’d never tell them that they’re wrong I
just I’m just I just give them the data I’ve base myself on can you be a healthy
person on a paleo diet that includes a fair amount of protein from from meat
sources yeah you certainly can but you’re gonna have to work really hard to
get to the point where you’re tolerating that kind of lifestyle as well frankly I
am when I went through a two-year process of learning how to be become a
vegan at my gut I was very I think malnourished ultimately in those early
years because my gut didn’t know how to deal with it
I didn’t have the right microbiome right I had a bunch of firmicutes I was raised
on meat and potatoes and I suddenly shifted radically I know this was not a
staged process it was like I flipped a switch and said I’m gonna be a
plant-based guy and this is how it’s gonna go and you know I continue to be
super productive like I even started my own companies and I was doing all kinds
of stuff but but ultimately I was you know I got the point where I was
fainting and passing out from instability of my autonomic nervous
system because largely I think I was malnourished in something what who the
hell knows but instead of stopping and saying oh I
must need mean I pushed through it in some ways just out of stubbornness and
within two years I suddenly had that big reversal where I was healthier than I
had been you know previous to the nutritional shift but you have to
understand you’re asking your body to completely change its mechanism of
fuelling itself when you make a radical shift like that so there’s a couple of
different approaches you can do the radical shift like I did and then try to
you know be aware and supplement I wasn’t supplementing I was just like
determined I was getting it all from food and so you might think about
supplementation as a mechanism to ease that one or two year process or you
might just decide to do it gradually right and so just say you know we’re
gonna start two nights a week we’re gonna do plant-based diet and then in
two months we’re gonna go to three nights a week and then in two months
we’ll go to four nights a week and just you know faded out over the course of a
year or two and you’ll have you know I think a more gentle experience than III
tend to be short patients and I just want it done and thank you for that and
so just coming back to cell to cell communication on the immune system and
and the fact that we’re talking about these tiny tiny electrical charges
essentially electron transfer that that as I understand it is is key in in the
functioning of the immune system does does this have huge implications on
electromagnetic fields in the home and you know obviously things like Wi-Fi and
cell phones bring to mind and and and what what is the impact of that on on
gut health and and should we be mindful of these factors well yeah a jury I
think I think the jury’s out on that I think there’s no question it’s having an
effect on human biology the question is how big is that effect and which
populations are most sensitive and the data that my group has been producing is
you know definitely supporting the idea that as you lose microbiome as you lose
your barrier systems you’re gonna come more and more prone to the influences
negative likely influences of the electromagnetic field environment of
Wi-Fi Bluetooth you know all these internet of things that’s emerging now
where your toaster and every other thing in your house is gonna have it you know
Wi-Fi wireless device that’s communicating
back to its manufacturer to tell you tell them how many pieces of toast you
make in a day and bizarre you know Big Brother world we’re about to be living
in there’s no question that the sicker we get as far as our microbiome in our
immune system the more we are influenced by this I’m some of my most respective
colleagues in medicine right now have have family members that have been
directly affected by EMF toxicity and are super sensitive and to the point
where if a cellphone goes off next to a loved one that literally go into atrial
fibrillation which is an electrical confusion within the heart muscle and so
you know really respect your colleagues you’ve now seen this emerge from their
own family members so there’s no question in my mind anymore that EMS can
be toxic the interesting thing is I carry my cell phone with me almost all
the time which is much to my chagrin but a necessary element of my lifestyle
right at the moment and you know that fact is I don’t have any headaches I
don’t have any cardiac issues I’m I’m maintaining this environment of acute
inflammation from the damage I’m getting from my cellphone so I put that thing up
to my head as rarely as possible but in a rare event that thing goes up to my
head you know I’m doing damage to my brain it is my hope and certainly my
clinical data that I have right now is that my brain is keeping up with that
damage it’s doing cell repairs doing genetic repairs doing all this stuff
pretty much in real-time such that I can sense any damage from my phone
now does their cumulative injury over time I’m concerned that’s probably true
I can’t map that my own body yet so but invariably we know that there’s
individuals that are super sensitive and individuals that are much more resilient
to the EMFs what is that variable between them it
seems to be the microbiome how could that possibly be well it turns out that
behind the tight junctions or something called gap junctions so the tight
junctions are kind of like a Velcro that will tie one cell to the next and then
and will intelligently open and let stuff through and then bind back up so
like velcro can unhook and hook again and again and again sitting behind that
are gap junctions which are like they look under an electron microscope as
like bundles of fiber optic cable either tiny tiny structures and they are
gorgeous to look at on an electron microscope eloquent perfect tubes that
line from one silo cytoplasm to the next cell cytoplasm and on the end of each
tube is an aperture just like a camera and the old camera apertures that you
use to see it open up and they rotate and close down every single tube you may
have 2,000 of these tubes in a single bundle and there’s dozens of these
around a single cell to communicate with its partners or neighbors that neighbor
communication blows apart when you expose that to glyphosate and so you not
only blowing apart the tight junction barrier you’re blowing parts of
communication fiber-optic cable system from cell to cell that’s extremely
concerning and I think ties right into what you’re saying because ultimately
we’re not actually biological creatures were quantum physics creatures that are
our fabric is not solid our fabric is electromagnetic field that’s generated
by our own vacuum space that’s held within our atoms in that vacuum space
because of the nature of the the kind of atomic structure of a human body
resonates a frequency that says human and so if you look at the
electromagnetic field generated by a human body or the leaf of a tree those
are radically different electromagnetic fields that are organized and dictated
by the vacuum space within the atom now picture the situation where has a
healthy individual I’m emanating this huge electromagnetic field
that’s massive in its energy potential one cubic centimeter of mitochondria
within yourselves your power plants will produce 10,000 times more energy than
one cubic centimeter of the surface of the Sun and so the surface the Sun is
the biggest nuclear reactor we’ve ever measured and yet we’re ten thousand
times more potent than that in energy production through our mitochondria
biology is extraordinary way more powerful than the chemical world in a
lot of ways and so the biology of mitochondria is is got this harnessing
of energy and so I’ve got somewhere around 14 quadrillion mitochondria in my
body dry way to the mitochondria interesting there’s again some of the
microbiome around six pounds so my whole body might have mitochondria if you took
all the water out of them and just look at that 6 pounds of mitochondria within
me and every cubic centimeter hot creating more power than
son I emanate a huge field of energy that I think is much more potent knowing
when it’s in its healthy state than my cell phone right my cell phone also is
pulsing on and off and so I’ve got a pulse that will come and go through my
biology if I am robust and strong at my biology level at the fabric atomic level
I’m going to emanate much more energy than my cell phone will ever create so
in the healthy state I think I’m pretty resilient not just a cell phone but two
electric cars and the radiation coming out of my basement in the form of radon
the huge amount of radiation that comes from the sunshine and damages my skin
every time I go outside and so we’re being bombarded by radiation all the
time and our bodies can be quite resilient to that when we start to lose
the microbiome we can become vulnerable you break all the gap junctions now we
don’t have a way to propagate that EMF that field that we’re producing through
our whole body and we’ve become a weakened state and we actually take
photographs of all of our patients coming into my clinic with a camera that
images the whole electromagnetic field and interestingly it doesn’t just
diminish partway you know through the whole body there’s gaps let’s do it it
might be your spleen or your kidney axis or these different elements within your
meridian system that are completely depleted no signal at all on the camera
where it’s your brain might look pretty good you know and so we’re showing that
stress and the organism shows up in very specific depletions in the
electromagnetic field and now you take a cell phone and you put it up to the
individual and if they have no coherent energy field through their cardiac
system they might get atrial fibrillation from this this little
signal coming out your cell phone because it’s actually a pretty dominant
signal so that’s kind of the model and broad strokes lack of microbiome lost at
the gap junctions lost the gap junctions you can’t get the fiber optic system
purple you know perpetrating that or perpetuating that electromagnetic field
of the human into the human field now you have cell phone energy that can kind
of circumvent or overcome that gotcha so it really does point down to two
being overall health each having a healthy foundation fewer for your body
in terms of a healthy gut you know unsurprisingly so the the the
thin epithelial layer of the gut starts in your nose runs all the way down
through to your to the rectum this this time of year a lot of people are talking
about hay fever and you’ve touched on this earlier when you mentioned
breathing in particles it is is the epithelial layer very similar in
structure right up here in the nose – – – in the gut and everything I mean is it
because it seems to me that if we walk out in the inner town behind a polluting
bus if I breathe in if I’ve got a shot to piece shot to pieces membrane in my
nose I I’m going to risk getting all sorts of pollutants straight into the
bloodstream or behind the mucous membrane
whereas if that membrane was intact obviously I’d have some resilience again
it is it is it this important to to you know to maintain the integrity of the
the membrane and and can it be done you know is it achievable and have you seen
results where you know people have overcome things like allergies to to
pollens and so forth dramatic ridiculous result I mean the reality reality we
shouldn’t be leaking through the nose we should have this you know really you
know ironclad frontline barrier where we can breathe pong all day and it just
sits on the mucosal level and it’s cleared through the mucus right
you either swallow it down you pass in your stool or you eject it through a
sneeze or through blowing your nose now you should be clearing that stuff
through through the the Celia there the whole nasal membrane is covered with
little hair like follicles that should be brushing that stuff clean all the
time but if you’re leaking your breathing glyphosate or you’re ingesting
a bunch of molecules in the stomach that then produce on Yulin which goes
system-wide is going to open up the blood-brain barrier it’s going to open
up the nasal passages all this stuff so through all these mechanisms were
becoming very sensitive up here and the reality is the vast majority of our like
90% of us have post nasal drainage which means that you know as you’re sitting
there during the day or especially at night when you’re supine your sinuses
drain down the back yo throat and into your stomach and small intestines that
post nasal drainage is a sign of chronic inflammatory state up
which is you know the fastest way to get your blood-brain barrier the nasal
sinuses there’s direct perforation of the blood-brain barrier from your
olfactory bulb through it you smell right to the brain and so you’ve got
this direct and you know pathway so as soon as you start to break down tight
junctions you can start introducing junk right into the immune system of the
central nervous system directly and so a huge problem here but then a bigger
problem may be in the long run small bowel overgrowth and so if you
start dumping strapped staff and other species that are supposed to be in your
upper respiratory system down into a stomach that’s now poorly acidified
because of damage to the stomach lining and everything else
let’s bacteria can actually get into the small intestine and start to to promote
a very unbalanced and unnatural biome within your small intestine and now
there’s this huge clinical syndrome that affects millions of people around the
globe that we call a small bowel overgrowth or SIBO and SIBO is this
condition I believe that starts at the sinuses and so we’ve been using this
communication network support system of restore through our nasal spray and it’s
hilarious how fast things shift but even before we created the nasal spray we
could slowly over time nowhere near as fast is when you put it right in the
sizes but over a couple of weeks and months we could see people’s allergies
go away because we were supporting the gut down here you add it up here and the
gut shift is faster because you’re not dumping post-nasal drainage down into
the stomach in small intestines all day and so when you make a shift here it
stays and because this shift has already happened and you’re not dumping so the
the nasal spray has been our fastest growing product this time of year it
just flies off the shelves because as soon as you try it within 30 seconds you
know it just worked it’s not like a gut thing where you have
to wait a few days before you start to see it and for many of us who have a
healthy gut it can take us weeks or months or years before we really say oh
my gosh I this huge anti-aging effect I used to be a key in the morning and now
I’m not I have better exercise capacity two years later that can take time to
see all those the nasal is beautiful because you just you can actually feel
it in real time you’re a little bit congested and now you’re not yeah and so
that that’s immediate switch is profound and exciting up here can certainly clear
the mind we love the nasal product for autism patients and Ernie
because their biome is so screwed up they desperately need that support to
the healthy microbiome to the healthy membranes need to be restored and all
that so anybody who’s got a neurologic condition nasal nasal nasal anybody’s
got SIBO nasal nasal nasal by the way I also like adding acid to that scenario
so if you have small about overgrowth support the sinuses for health support
the gut trail and then add this acid shield at the stomach stomach is
supposed to be creating in a pH around 3 a pH of 3 that’s like you know more
acidic than battery acid but as we get sick as our membranes get damaged we
poorly acidify the stomach that allows bacteria to transit into that small
bowel intact and so I’m a huge fan of hydrochloric acid as a supplement and so
you know HCl with betaine or HCl with pepsin are readily available everywhere
online and other places and so HCl is an important piece if I have something
receiver I just fix their sinuses acidify their stomach and then help
support the gut and there they’ll be done in a couple months fantastic so can
we touch briefly or have you mentioned to autism there and can we just go into
that subject very briefly if we can it’s a big subject but you know that the
whole story of autism the connection with the MMR vaccine you know the
history Andrew Wakefield and so forth and it strikes me since I’ve you know
heard about your information and and also the concerns of many people around
vaccinations and would you say that there’s a synthesis going on is it a
combination of the fact that that you know these children through all the
reasons we’ve discussed have leaky gut and therefore leaky body leaky brain
leaky blood brain barrier is it then the the addition or the combination of
injected neurotoxins in the form of a vaccine which might otherwise produce
perfectly favorable results but in that scenario in that context of gut
permeability Macbeth’s a significant piece of the puzzle in in in the cause
of autism I do I think that each of the steps we’ve talked about are a
predisposition to vaccine injury or a viral injury
or whatever a number of different insults you might add to the immune
system the if you you can probably google this there’s a lot of data
published out there the the rates of population vaccination which of course
started increase in the 1940s and really went skyrocketing through the 1960 70s
and 80s and then went vertical in the last ten years you know I’m I was I was
vaccinated with about 13 against 13 microbes my kids generation 64 and so
the number of vaccines that according to the American population right now is a
portent but when you think about those 64 pathogens that we think where we’re
trying to protect ourselves against and then watch the march of that line of
increasing thing to the rate of autoimmune disease they match each other
and so for every bacteria or virus that we’ve protected ourselves from we seem
to get worse autoimmune disease and so what it’s speaking to is something like
the measles the mumps rubella all of these different compounds that we think
of as pathogens uses different species they are a less than a billion of the
actual life on Earth like there are so many microbes on life you know 500,000
species of fungi you know and then you look at 30,000 species of bacteria
there’s 300,000 species of parasites there’s you know if the numbers are so
extreme and then if you look at viruses when we’re vaccinating against four or
five flu strains of virus there’s hundreds of millions of strains of
viruses that cause flu-like illness so it’s a ridiculous public health effort
and it’s impossible Public Health effort to protect people from from infectious
or imbalanced microbes but more than that we’re we’re mistaking those as
pathogens it’s very likely that measles mumps and rubella once we get infected
with them actually pass on a very important protective quality to our
immune system and everything else that would protect us against autoimmune
disease would protect us from something else and we’ve seen this again and again
you know sickle cell is a genetic trait that’s passed on as a protective
mechanism against malaria and so you know we think of these disease processes
or infectious processes as problematic when in fact you take a look at the
world itself they must be detective else we would have all died
because we are so fractional in the biology of the human life router and the
biologic life around us absolutely and I mean the things like measles the the
lifelong immunity that mothers particularly develop is really crucial
to pass on to the infants for their first year in life and we end up with
this snowballing disaster scenario where vaccinated girls become mothers without
lifelong immunity and you know the the problem gets passed kicked down the road
to the next next generation tragic we’ve seen some huge measles outbreaks in the
US and last five years and eighty-five to ninety five percent of those people
that are get infected we’re vaccinated you know and so it’s
not as the vaccines don’t protect and there’s a misperception there
interestingly to get a vaccine on that on the on the market you don’t have to
prove it works it’s the only area in the pharmaceutical industry that you don’t
have to prove efficacy more bizarre you don’t have to prove to provide safety
data and so how we’re putting four billion dollars of you know single
vaccines on the market without any safety or efficacy data is beyond me
that’s the most ridiculous non-scientific approach to human health
you could possibly take and then in the u.s. we’ve created a system where the
pharmaceutical industry’s put managed put in legislation in the 1980s that
said that the American taxpayer would pay for any complications of unsafe
vaccines not the pharmaceutical companies and so they get to build these
use pipelines of pharmaceutical compounds that they call our vaccines
they don’t know if they actually work but they pump them in we pump them into
our bodies we develop complications autism neurologic injury who cares what
US taxpayers are paying paying billions and billions of dollars a year to our
vaccine injury program that’s funded through the CDC it’s so freakin bizarre
but that’s really bent isn’t it it’s about as as gross as you you know as
twisted as you can imagine so so with things like the autistic autism
statistics numbers vary and you may have some more up-to-date ones but I’ve heard
figures you know ranging up to up two figures of now one in 20 children
born autistic I don’t know if that’s a over exaggeration but the point being
that I think somebody did some work to project in the future when at current
rates of increase and current exponential rates because various
factors are getting worse it was reckoned that by one calculation at
least that bind about 2032 we could be could well be in the situation where one
in two babies born is autistic and you know we don’t have to think long and
hard to see the obvious implications of that down route when when these young
babies become adults it has a catastrophic outlook for any society
where we know we’re either autistic or we’re looking after someone who’s
autistic and even if the numbers aren’t quite as dramatic I mean you can update
us with some but but but this really does point to that sort of you know are
we on the brink of extinction or are we on the brink of a breakthrough with all
this knowledge you’re helping to share the breakthrough of optimal health I
mean it seems like it could go either way doesn’t it for individuals and for
society at large absolutely um percent your numbers are
all you know relatively close to the best numbers we have here the most
recent numbers as of six months ago I would have told you our numbers were one
in 46 that got our one in 48 and then that just got revised with the
publication that coming out a couple weeks ago this is one in 36 children in
the US with autism spectrum disorder but then if you look at attention deficit
hyperactivity disorder which most of us think is on the same spectrum we’ve got
one in ten children with ADHD seventy percent of those kids are medicated by
the time they’re 12 with a stimulant drug so you’ve got you know some version
of speed adderall ritalin in these children which of course shuts down
their creative pathways which of course gives you huge concerns for humanity
itself what happens when we start birthing damaged children who can never
be you know become creative beings what’s the rate of depression in that
group well it’s one and two and so if we can’t be creative productive persons
we’re going to be depressed we’re going to be anxious when we paranoia be
unproductive and I think that you don’t have a look at autistic kids look at our
adult pop right now how many of you as adults can
look around at your workforce and say yeah we’re all productive creative human
beings I would say most of the people that you know in your greater
environment have some version of a neurologic condition anxiety depression
I mean yeah I’m 40 chronic pain anxiety depression disorders you know the whole
works bipolar sleep disorders sexual dysfunction you know it’s just you know
addiction you know it’s so you know show me three healthy people in your group of
ten and I’ll be shocked and so yeah it’s this you know amazing how damaged we are
as adults and then you imagine like you say third fourth fifth generation
children being born into this damaged environment we’ll be lucky to be alive
in 50 years unless you know it some changes happen I mean with this issue of
depression directly linked is that to to literally physical factors such as you
know the gut permeability and obviously there may be you know other
psychological component risk studies great studies showing this now one
course of antibiotics increases your risk of an anxiety generalized anxiety
disorder developing the next 12 months by 17% one course of antibiotics one
course of antibiotics increase your risk of a major depressive disorder
developing the next 12 months by 25% if you have two courses of antibiotics in
the course of you know a year your chance of having a Nova an anxiety
disorder or depression goes to 40 to 50% increase and so just a course of
antibiotics and boom and wipe out the microbiome you’re gonna have depression
how the hell is that possible well it turns out we’ve now tease this out as
well so not just our group but UCSD and you know University of California San
Diego University of Calgary San Francisco contributing a lot of this
data that the bacteria that form vacuole is a very specific type of bacteria has
to be present on the surfaces of your gut lining and interact with the 15% of
your gut lining that we call it the enteric endocrine cells this is your
factory for serotonin and dopamine serotonin and dopamine are the most
prevalent neurotransmitters in your brain and are very involved in the
depression and anxiety disorder pathways turns out that when you take away or
destroy the vacuole producing six bacteria the
endocrine cells can no longer produce serotonin 90 percent of the serotonin
your whole body is produced in your gut lining and so if you swipe out with
antibiotics your gut lining you’re suddenly going to be deficient in
serotonin within days or weeks and that’s going to accumulate into a major
depressive pathology or anxiety disorder over the next months and years to come
okay so they’re very there are are then I’m juicing pulling always together
there are very real steps you can take then if you’re suffering from depression
to address guts health and a microbiome diversity in order to alleviate that
that’s that depression that’s evening there’s some very real tangible things
to do get in the nature’s Nature has got all of our antidotes the fact that we
found an antidote to glyphosate speaks to the grace of nature you know it’s so
graceful it’s so loaded with solutions for our most idiotic problems that we’ve
created as humans nature is willing to forgive when nature is willing to live
with us but if we keep killing it we’re gonna die sure so it’s by way of winding
things up then dr. bush and are you optimistic with all that your studies
that you’ve done with the research papers you’re continuing to to submit
for the peer-reviewed process are you confident that the mainstream will have
to sit up and listen to a lot of this indeed are you seeing any signs of that
happening obviously we’re both aware that that this runs counter to two
vested interests to the whole shebang you know it’s it’s going to be difficult
to push the message through are you satisfied because this rests on science
because you’ve got studies that back up what you’re saying
are you confident that the this this is you know it’s going to be going to be
adopted by the mainstream i juries out yeah I have moments of huge optimism I
have moments of very grave concern and very grave despondency over the whole
thing my hope and the joys that come along that line is definitely in the
consumer we hold the reins to all of the big industry out there they don’t
control us we control them by our so I’ve huge confidence in our ability
at where I start to break down in my hope is when I realize how few people
are paying attention to this and you know and so the consumer is certainly
radically more educated than they were a decade ago but is it moving quick enough
and my feeling strongly right now is no it’s not it needs to move quicker is it
starting to build speed yes it is when does it reach that critical tipping
point it better happen in the next five years because if it happens in 16 years
it’s too late and so what do all of you need to do each of you need to find 100
people to tell tell something of this story something like make sure you’re
finding every you know solution you can outside of antibiotics to get healthy
get out a nature hike stop consuming so much plastic stop consuming so much
processed food stop consuming you know processed everything if that’s all
you’re speaking to great if you want to go further and say organic only you know
push the hem love that great push it that way you find the things you can you
know wrap your head and passion around and go after those but if you don’t
reach a hundred people if we don’t reach that logarithmic rate of education and
impact we won’t make it we literally need logarithmic to make it because the
diseases are progressing at logarithmic rates and so we need to match that
through education so you guys have just been you know hour and a half with us
here you guys had now have a responsibility get that out if this is
gonna work you know and so you guys have 90 minutes of data that I’d say grab out
the salient 30-second pieces that you can go with and just start talking about
every lunch you know you’re going out to lunch with people use it as an
opportunity to start a discussion about food in the food industry you know
you’re listening to your co-worker complaining about the health of their
children uses an opportunity entry point just you know look every day for an
opportunity to affect change and it always comes back to you the more you
can apply to your own life the more you can engage this conversation and make it
your own say I felt this this and this and then I made these changes and I felt
this this and this happen that testimonial was way more powerful than
science and so the science that I’ve shared with you today I think is just a
little chink hopefully to get you to start down this pathway
ultimately the powerful messages are going to be the physical emotional
impacts that you’re gonna see in your own life and your own personal
testimonial is gonna be way more powerful than any science I can divulge
the public so take confidence in the fact that you may understand you know 5%
or you know whoever cares a bunch of the words I said you you’re getting a sense
of the importance of it make it your own words create your own testimonial and it
will be more powerful than anything I can do
thank you very much that’s marvelous I suppose one of the important things for
us all to try and push for campaign or as specifically as well as is the
cessation of the use of glyphosate but um yeah I mean I either hopefully
hopefully people get the message that it’s entirely in their interests to I
mean it couldn’t be more in our own vested interest to to talk about this
and share it with our loved ones and indeed adopt unnecessary life style
changes that you’ve alluded to so so I I do hope that the message starts to get
out dr. Bush thank you so much for your time is there anything you either wants
to say in conclusion or did you wanna just remind listeners maybe how they can
get in touch did you want to speak at all about the product or anything any
closing words so much more education to be had you can go to my website on the
screen Zack Bush MD comm a lot of my lectures are available through there you
can also just search me on youtube buy more lectures and content to pass on
my most popular podcasts in the last few months was one that I did with rich roll
and so we get a lot more into end of the spiritual physical kind of story behind
the biology that we’ve been talking about so if that interests you can go
down that Avenue and can see more podcast information but what you’re
learning through nigel is really so critical and Nigel we just honor you for
your efforts to continue to move this conversation forward to a larger public
and everything else without you and without all the other podcasters out
there to become this new you know workforce and an army literally of
information travelers we would be dead in the water a scientist so I honor all
of you and I appreciate you having me on so all of you enjoy whatever education
you can, and — the product, you can get through the ‘Restore 4 Life’ (with the number ‘four’) websites, — so that you can have more
information and keep diving in, but more than anything thank you for being who
you are and we appreciate the empowerment that we get through your
participation. — Wonderful, so thank you so much everybody for listening. As always, I
urge you to check out the website for more stories of how we can empower ourselves to thrive and be healthy
and so forth. So I do hope you have enjoyed this episode and, most of all, I
hope you’ll join me again for another episode of Living Outside the Matrix. Music: “Awaken”, from the album “Living Outside the Matrix”, download here:

13 thoughts on “Restore your health – with Dr Zach Bush: “Living outside the Matrix” Podcast Episode 44

  1. Such a dynamic duo! A fab interviewer and a super brilliant educator. Share this with those you love and even with those you don’t

  2. Wait wait wait wait wait a minute… Dude still vaccinated his kid?? (64 times he says)
    From all the measures that I've been doing the last few years, the one which is showing the most results is "time restrictive eating" or intermittent fasting. I was having severe sleep schedule issues and solved it by eating my first and last meals earlier everyday, nothing except water after 8PM, also solved the "low stomach acid" issue by not overloading the system

  3. Thank you for a very articulate and intelligent interview – both interviewer and interviewee. Worth watching over and over again and sharing widely.

  4. Dr Bush you are a good man . I wish I could start a support group with your support .

    Keep up with good work.

  5. Thank you so very much for all of this very important information. I do speak to people about this and pray the message gets out.

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