LHRL Podcast Episode #24 w/ Elijah Hassertt

LHRL Podcast Episode #24 w/ Elijah Hassertt


(intro jingle) – [Wilson] Welcome to the
Lift Heavy Run Long podcast. My name is Wilson Horrel
and my co-host is Von Ralls. You can find us at
www.liftheavyrunlong.com or on Twitter and Instagram, @liftrunlong, or feel free to email me directly at [email protected] The mission of LHRL is simply this, to inspire and be inspired. Tune in every week as we speak with some of the world’s
most interesting people. Enjoy the show and find your bliss. (electric guitar thrumming) All right, LHRL podcast,
episode number 24. Von, have you started drinking as well? – Not yet, but I wish I’d have known. So, I probably should have. – Yeah, we should have been
more prepared for this. All right, we have with
us, Elijah Hassert. Am I pronouncing that correctly? – Hass-Ert. – Hassert. Elijah, tell us about yourself. – I do Strongman, power lifting, running. I work at a specialty running store and I coach a few hours a week. – What part of the country are you in? – Tacoma, Washington until
the end of this year. – Yeah, you’re gonna have a baby, right? – Yes, I’m expecting, my
girlfriend is expecting in January, and we’re gonna
be moving down to Oklahoma. – Awesome. – Congratulations. – Thank you. – That is gonna be one
genetically fit baby. – Well, we already got a dumbell for him at the baby shower, so… – You’re gonna need a few
of them, that’s for sure. Didn’t your girlfriend
just get finished running a 50 mile race? – Yeah, she did a 50 mile race and a few months before that, she did a strong woman competition,
and she got her 315 deadlift. – Man, you’re an intriguing
character to say the least. How did you grow up? Did you grow up with all
this weight lifting and primal behavior? – Sort of, both my parents
were overweight for most of my childhood, but then
after my parents divorced my mom started running, she
did some half marathons and I joined her my freshman
year of high school, I did a half marathon and after
that I got into cross country and track on my own. – Were you a big guy in high school? – No, no, I graduated
high school at 135 pounds. – And then what did you
do after high school? – I came back to Washington,
I did some running, whatnot, was just working
at a sporting goods store for a bit and slowly just,
up doing stuff, I found Lift Heavy Run Long, decided
I wanted to be strong and start running so I did
my first 50K challenge out in Eastern Washington, and
worked to my 400 pound deadlift. – That’s the first place
that I originally saw you, was on the Lift Heavy Run
Long 50 mile, 400 pound deadlift club, and that’s
when I was on the outside looking in and I just
couldn’t believe those numbers, I couldn’t believe that anybody could lift that kind of weight, run that kind of distance. At what point did you become intrigued? When did you find Lift
Heavy Run Long and say this is something that I’m going to do? – I’d say it was a couple
years ago, not sure exactly when, but it was a few years ago. That was kind of my
motivation, was to get that. I didn’t have a 400 pound
deadlift and the farthest I had run was half a marathon. – Yeah, he’s been around
for quite a while, one of the first people that came
along and really started working on getting in that
club and actually did it, which is actually pretty,
super impressive and made me really proud. – In high school and all
that, and all of us, I remember I was the only
kid on my team who could do a single pull up, just having
somebody who’s going to start doing 400 pound
deadlifts, all of that while still running seemed
kind of crazy to me, so I wanted to do it. – Did you have any idea
that you had this sort of strength? – No, I dabbled in some
kettlebell lifting and high school, didn’t really do
much of anything, it wasn’t until after I’d run a few
ultras that I got into powerlifting. – Walk me through how you
got into the weight room, what encouraged you to
get in there, who did you contact, who did you follow? – Well, after I came back
from the Army, I had been running, doing 10 miles
a day pretty easily, I weighed 135 pounds again, I
contacted Morgan Blackmore from Tacoma Strength, the local
CrossFit, and I just ran in there and said do you
think CrossFit is going to help me get, be a better
runner, and he gave me the basic spiel, Maybe not right
away, but eventually I think it will help you, and so I
just started taking basic CrossFit classes, but then
I decided I wanted to be a CrossFit competitor, so
I asked him what I should do, and he put me on a 20
rep squat program, said I needed to add a little size
because I was kind of small, and so after that I just
started researching more and more strength training, I
started listening to the Barbell Shrugged podcast,
that’s what kind of got me venturing towards Lift Heavy
Run Long, found Von Ralls and started working towards
getting bigger and bigger, eventually got over 200
pounds and then I’ve been flip-flopping ever since,
down to 150 for running, up to 200 for lifting. – [Wilson] I’ve noticed that
you’re able to do that, that you’re capable of, you’ll
beef up and get 250 pounds or whatever it is and then
just kind of decide, hey, man, I want to go back
down and compete at 190 or whatever it is. Are you able to just go
whatever direction you want, weight wise, is that
the kind of discipline that you have? – Yeah, I think that’s it,
or just something weird in my head that I can
just switch, and I’m very specific, and I think one of the things that kind of draws me to heavy lifting and Ultra-running is I’m pretty extreme in anything I do, so when
I’m cutting I go strict vegan, like raw plants, eat
very little calories, and run a lot, and I’ll get down 50
pounds, 60 pounds within 2 months. When I go up, I go, I’ve
been following Lift Big Eat Big here in Seattle and I just eat. – [Wilson] You’ll just eat all
the meat and then you’ll go strict vegan? – Yeah, yeah, so, complete
opposites, Jekyll and Hyde. – [Wilson] Does that
work pretty well for you? There’s so many opinions out there, and everybody’s got one and I don’t like any of them
really, but do you find that your energy is equally as
fine as a vegan as it is eating meat? – It’s different, so I
feel with meat, I can be stronger, I have no idea
why that is, I’m not a scientist. So it’s not,
I mean, it’s the higher testosterone or something
like that, I can lift more weight when I’m eating
meat so that’s why I do it that way, but when I’m
running I actually feel slower if I’m eating meat, cholesterol
or something like that. When I’m running I just
prefer not to have it, I go almost, you could even say
fruitarian, like I just eat melons all day. – [Wilson] How opinionated are
you in regards to, you know, what’s right for each
individual and what you should be doing, what you need
to be doing, and what you have to do to get here and
there, or are you just a sort of go out and get it kind of
guy, do you have your ways of doing things and that’s
the way things should be? – Well, I think the more
you know the more you know that you don’t know, and
you kind of nailed it on the head, everybody’s different
and for me to say to run you have to be a vegan because
that’s the best, I could give you examples of top
vegan runners, examples of top paleo runners, Timothy
Olson, and he’s one of the top ultrarunners right
now of any of the other vegan runners or vegetarian
runners like Sage Canaday, Scott jurek, all these
others, it’s finding what works for you. It’s cool that vegan
worked for me when I was running, I was vegan mostly
all through High School, my mother and stepfather were,
and it just works for me. – [Wilson] Well, you’re a
unique individual and you’ve had success in so many different
areas, which I guess, by default, probably makes you a target for opinionated people. A friend of ours, Alex
Viada had pointed out that nobody likes a winner. So, I’m sure that you
get a lot of opinions and advice and information thrown your way. Do you have any problems
listening or not listening to that? – Sometimes I do, you know,
I like to say that I’m always super compassionate
and loving and, you know, letting everybody go their
own which way, but I get some stupid arguments sometimes. I said you always realize
what you don’t know, but sometimes you learn that
a little slower than you should, so I definitely,
I’ll butt heads with people and realize that it’s
just, their way of doing things, and mine’s a little different. – [Wilson] I didn’t realize
that you cut so much weight when you are running, have you
ever done any kind of test to see, like, when you have
a whole lot of weight on versus just running 50 pounds lighter? – I think I kind of do
that both sides a little bit, I think this time, So
I’m cutting right now, I’m doing it a little bit more
specifically side by side with the whole Lift Heavy Run
Long thing, I’ve got to 12 hour race in a couple weeks,
The Carkeek in Seattle, It’s a really hilly 12
hour, and then I’m competing in a USAPL meet in December,
and I’m going to be about 163 for that, so I would
have cut about 50 pounds. So, we’ll see how doing
both side by side, how well I can do, but I always
know, and I’ve seen you post before, I’ll do, before I
do an Ultra, the week in my taper, I’ll just run
and see how much I can deadlift and make sure
I can still hit that 400 pounds, and when I’m bigger,
yeah, I’ll go for a run or something but it sucks. You know? (laughing) – I can attest to that. – Yeah, exactly. – [Wilson] You said you initially wanted to get into CrossFit competitions. Did you ever do any kind of
CrossFit style competitions at all like that? – I did one sort of competition. It wasn’t like a real serious one. It was more like an expo
competition at Tacoma Dome with Tacoma Strength. – [Wilson] And then really, like, got into powerlifting
instead of really pursuing that CrossFit competition thing? – Yeah and I’ve only actually
done two Powerlifting Meets, I’ve done four
Strongman shows, so Strongman kind of was what I
gravitated towards, I teach a Strongman class at my
gym, Grit City Fitness and performance is where I’m
at right now and just similar to Ultrarunning,
The real world feel of Strongman is what I
gravitated towards, you know, picking up logs and stones,
and you know, manhood test origins and all that crazy stuff. – [Wilson] Did that just
kind of appeal to you more and so that’s where you
ended up or was there more to it, getting into that Strongman. – A couple of things,
another site that I mentioned previously that I’ve been
following for a while is Lift Big Eat Big, based out
of Seattle where I’m at, and I’ve just been following
Brandon, the guy who runs that, for a while
and he’s a big strong man, so I have the influence
and I just ended up liking it more, powerlifting it’s
fun, I’m still doing it. This isn’t Strongman, and
not just how much weight you can lift but how many
times can you lift it, but still a little heavier. – [Wilson] That Strongman
appeals to me because that’s just an all-around kind of Burly
guy, get it done feels. I guess my question is, it
seems like you just kind of change addictions or
change directions for what direction you want to go,
and I’m trying to word this without trying to
sound like I’m trying to be a philosopher or something,
does your mood change based on what you’re
pursuing, or do you change what you’re pursuing based on your mood? Do you just wake up one
day and say I’m going to cut weight and get down
to 165, 175 pounds and run 50 miles or do you wake
up the next day and say, you know what, I think
I’m going to throw a bunch of logs and shit over my
head and work up to 220? – Yeah, I think it can be
just a fleeting moment, I’ll all of a sudden just
have an idea in my head, I joke around my girlfriend
that I’m kind of like Tigger, I jump and I go
do something, I’ll be screwing around on my phone
at work and be like, oh there’s a 100 miler over
here, maybe I’ll train for that, or I found a
powerlifting meet, I’m going to start bulking right now,
so it is off a whim, it can be, you know, just a
wild hair in my ass and I’ll go. – Man, you have to know
how much I love that and admire that. I think that’s the only way to do it. Do you coach yourself or do
you, is it literally just do whatever I want to do? – A little of both, so
kind of with my personality I’ll jump all over the
place, so consistently when I decide I want to be
coached I’ve been coached by Matt Faulk with full
strength and conditioning based out of Bellevue here
in Washington, and so I might come to him and
say I want a few months programming for a new
meet or something, that’s when I’m bulking, so
that’s for Strongman or powerlifting that I work
with, and I, since high school, haven’t had any
running coach, still at certain points for my
Strongman I will self coach, so it’s a little bit of
both for the most part. – Have you ever had any
problems with injury? – I haven’t had anything
serious, I mean, I’ll get quitter fasciitis, shin
splints, all the basic aches and pains, but I’ve, I
felt I’ve been pretty smart to anytime somethings
bugging me a little too much, I just stop and that’s kind of the benefit of doing
multiple sports too. I remember last year I
was having some foot pain and I really couldn’t
pinpoint it so, I just decided I was gonna start bulkin’, compete in Strongman for a bit and it healed up and, you know, I just
bounce back and forth. – [Wilson] So one of your
ways of avoiding injuries is just switching sports altogether? – Yeah. – [Wilson] If you’re running
and somethings bothering you with your running then
you’ll just go and go full tilt on lifting? – Yes, Yeah and that’s kind of
a part with my extremist addictive personality. I’m 100% on anything
that I’m doing so I know I’m not gonna be able
to keep running and kind of rehabit, I’m gonna
end up trying to bang out 10 milers anyways
and hurt myself so it’s a lot better for me to
be able to switch gears and say I’m lifting
because then I can lift and not worry about how my foot’s feeling. – Tell me about your training schedule. Like what does your week look like? – Pretty much anytime I can move, I move. I think, you know I’ll be
doing two days, I’m running, I’m doing some crossfit
workouts or, like hurricanes here and there, but I’m
lifting three times a week now still, to maintain my
power lift numbers because I have the meet and that’s
something I haven’t done before, usually when I’m
cutting it’s straight up cutting, so anything
heavier than like a 70 pound kettle ball I’m not touching. – [Von] What is a hurricane? – So, one of my certifications
is Training for Warriors with Martin Rooney and it’s
an MMA based conditioning protocol, you do three
rounds oF three different exercises three times so
it ends up being nine total sets but it’s just based
off of MMA conditioning. – [Von] Tell me about
Never Defeated Athletics, what is that? – Greatest Coaching Company known to man. – My company, so–
– [Von] That’s what I hear. – Yeah. I do in person training,
personal training. I do online programming
and all of the above. I played around with names back and forth for years. I named my company about
three different times and then I finally had an epiphany. I have a tattoo on my
chest says never defeated and I got that back when I was in training for the army just because that’s always been my mentality. Even if I lose, even if I fail, I’m still not going to be defeated because I’m going to keep moving forward. I’m going to not accept defeat. So, with never defeated,
that’s the philosophy, we just do, as I do, all sorts of stuff. I have running clients. I have weight loss clients. I have Strongman clients
and working on growing that. – [Von] What made you decide
to start that company? – Just through my journey with CrossFit. I initially got my CrossFit
cert and then the CrossFit gymnastics cert and I just
really enjoy coaching, helping people improve
themselves and seeing the difference and so I
knew that my life I wanted to be involved in athletics
in some sort of way. I was cross country
captain in high school. I just like leading people and that’s what I want to do with my life. – [Wilson] And you said you
coach people both in person and you can do that remotely, correct? – Yes, yeah, so remote
programming, do phone calls, email, however setup. – [Wilson] Can you coach
someone to Strongman? – Oh yeah. Definitely. You looking to do a meet? – [Wilson] Uh, I don’t think
I’m anywhere near that level but I am interested in the Strongman. I think that’s a neat deal. I don’t possess that kind of power, man. I don’t have that, for
my size, I don’t have the strength that other
people my size have. And the people that I
see doing that just have that raw ass grown man power. – Ah, I think you’ll get there. Definitely and there’s
all sorts of competitions that are different levels
of strength, there’s specifically ones that are
made for novice and there’s novice divisions. I think you could definitely do it if you wanted to get out there. – [Wilson] So there is a
place for anybody in there. You don’t have to be a
big ass lumberjack to go in there and not look like an idiot? – No, no, it would just be like any other competition. You can figure out which
one’s good for you. It is a little different because unlike power lifting or Olympic
lifting, they’re set weights, kind of like crossfit but
there are certain divisions like there’s beginner divisions
and whatnot and there’s a lot of competitions that are popping up. – [Wilson] So they’re kind
of like scaled workouts. – Exactly, yeah. Yeah, so there’s, in Strongman they have a novice division and a
lot of contests have that and you can just compete
in the novice division until you win. And once you win you have
to compete the normal divisions. – [Wilson] Oh, that’s interesting. Okay. How convenient I guess,
not convenient but how far do you have to travel
for these Strongman competitions? I don’t think I’ve ever seen one come up around here but then
again I haven’t been out looking for them. – Uh, yeah, exactly, it
depends on your region. It depends on where you’re at. You can go look online,
there’s NAS Strongman that’s who I compete with and there’s also USS Strongman for us guys
in the United States. And you know, they’re all over. Washington, I’m pretty
lucky, there’s contests all over. I haven’t had to really travel. I did one in Oklahoma
because my girlfriend has family there and
as I mentioned, I’ll be heading down there so
I know Brian Barrett, he puts on a lot of competitions
in Oklahoma and Texas. – That’s as far as I
know closest to you, but… – [Von] What does a Strongman
program look like, so like if somebody like
Wilson who has been doing CrossFit for like 3 years
decides he doesn’t really know anything about
Strongman, but knows that he wants to go learn to compete,
like what as a coach, what do you do for him from the start? – [Wilson] Before you go
any further, I can already tell that Von is trying to
rope me into this stuff, and he knows I’ll bite, so
this is, this is unfair. – Yeah so, obviously it
depends Slightly on the individual, we’d figure
out whether conditioning is where you’re lacking,
strength is where you’re lacking. That’s the nice thing about Strongman as I mentioned, the athleticism is kind of like CrossFit, you have so many different (unable to hear due to audio loss) to the individual contest, you often will train for
those implements because unlike CrossFit you usually
know exactly what the events are going to be
before hand, so if there’s an event with stones, we
are going to be training with stones, and for an
absolute beginner even if you don’t have one then
the number one thing would be trying to get as much
time on as many implements as possible. – [Wilson] Did you say that
in Strongman you do not know what the, what the
competition is going to be? – Usually you do know,
sometimes there will be a mystery event or someone just likes to be completely blank now, but
for the most part you know. I have yet to train for
a contest where I didn’t know all of the events,
and you just have varied there, even with that,
you can usually guess, systematically, what there
is going to be, there’s usually a press, some sort
of deadlift, some sort of, carry stones are almost
always in a contest, so you can create a basic
template that will work for most contests as well. – [Von] So we just need
to make some Stones, Wilson, and you’re ready to go. – [Wilson] I think I
need to grow some Stones before I do anything, and
then kind of ease myself that direction, but I
don’t think Elijah is going to appreciate my easing into anything. If I tell a Elijah I just
want to think about it and then I’ll get back to
ya, then he’s gonna punch me in the forehead through the computer. He’s gonna break his beer
bottle over my head via– – I’ll just email and
text you every other day. When we doing this, when we going? – [Wilson] I like the sound
of that, I can be swayed. – [Von] Did you make your stones yet? – [Wilson] I’ve got little
pieces of gravel out there, I’ll start taping them together. – Start small, build up. – [Wilson] If you could
only do one, if you had to do running, CrossFit,
Strongman, forever, what is your favorite? – See, I thought about
that question because I remember you asking Alex Viada that one, I really liked his answer that
you know, strength is for the ego and running is
for the mind, and I think I’m pretty much in the
same capacity, and I think that specifically with
ultra running and Mountain running, I am definitely
not a roadie, I hate running on the road, I’d probably
stick somewhat to what he said and I would do the
mountain running just because I see Mountain
running’s a little more versatile too. I’ve been in places In
Hawaii where you have a ropes that you have to help climb
up the trail, there is scrambling involved,
so I think of all, the mountain running can probably
be the most versatile. – [Von] I feel like
you get a lot of mental help out of that too,
like, kind of therapy. – And, you know, just
because of how extreme I am, my diet’s a little nicer, a little, I believe, slightly healthier. When I’m running, I’m not
doing three big macs at a time. (laughing) So, I think if I were to pick one, I would probably pick the running because that will probably help me live to 100 versus 55. (laughing) – [Wilson] Now, did I hear correctly that you do not have a driver’s license, and that you rode your
bike or ran everywhere. – Yup. That is accurate. I run everywhere, I’ll
run eight miles to work, eight miles back, I’ll
bike to the gym, all that. – [Wilson] That is like,
the primal caveman hippy. That is, man, that is wicked, that is totally badass,
that explains a lot, that explains the difference in you and I. – [Von] Do you have like, a daily routine? Everyday, like, what does
a day look like for you? – Well, most days, I’ll
wake up at about 6:00am, get ready, get my coffee, head out to either the gym or I’ll go to work. My girlfriend parks in
Peov and takes a train up to Seattle, she works
in a hospital up there. So, I’ll either hit the gym for two hours or I’ll go run for two hours and then I’ll open my store, South
Sound Running, at 10:00am, work for nine hours,
and then go to the gym, coach a client or two,
come back, eat dinner, shower, go to sleep. – [Wilson] When you say come back, you mean run back? – Umm, depending, if I
can, If I have the time, I’ll run back, if not, I’ll just hitch a ride with my girlfriend. – [Wilson] So, if you
run eight miles to work in the morning, and have a shitty day, then you’re stuck running eight miles back whether you like it or not? – Well yeah, but I think
when I have a shitty day, that’s the day when I
want to run back more. – [Wilson] Yeah, that makes
sense, that makes sense. That’s incredible. How much of your fitness and success do you attribute to just that variable? – Well, I think it’s a big one, you know. Obvious point is just
getting in good miles, but then, like, you mentioned partially, just the mental toughness,
I have to make sure in the morning, no matter how I’m feeling, I’m getting up and I’m
running eight miles. After work, no matter how busy it was, how much I was running around, I have to put my running
shoes on and run eight miles. And I work in a valley,
so I run downhill to work, and I run uphill home,
so I get the harder part at the end of the day. – [Wilson] That’s gotta help in a lot of different arenas. I sling fertilizer for a living, and when I’m not slinging fertilizer, I sweep industrial parking lots, so I’ve got a 15 pound blower on my back for miles at a time, and I think that, just time on my feet helps tremendously, and just mental toughness and time on my feet is the only
thing I can attribute any running success to. – Oh, absolutely. And I’ve been doing that. I was working at sporting
goods store, Big 5 previously, and I just
thought about that so much, how much I’m running up and down ladders, all that is still part of my fitness, and then now my store is
sometimes pretty quiet, but when it is, I’ve
been reading Spartan Up! By Joe De Sena, and he mentions just not wasting any time,
he’ll be in an airport doing burpees, so I think about that, and if I’m a little slow at work, I’m doing laps around the
store while reading a book. Just getting more time on my feet, getting more mileage in. – [Wilson] A guy with
your intensity level, I’m sure could struggle
in finding pleasure in what he’s doing. I know when I’m, when
I’ve become too focused on something, then
sometimes I miss the boat, and the reason that I’m
doing it is to enjoy it. Do you have any problems there or are you pretty laid
back in your mindset of just bettering yourself and enjoying what you’re doing? – I think a little of both. I definitely struggle
with finding fun in things sometimes, but I think I’m pretty good at every once in a while,
kind of check myself and remind myself, hey, I’m
just doing this for fun, I’m not winning any money yet. But I will get, ’cause I’m very particular and I’m very extreme, so I’ll, trying to hit 100 miles a
week or something like that, and just beat myself into the ground and realize that I’m kind
of losing the fun aspect, then I’ll switch up, do
something else maybe, and you know, just keep it fun. – [Wilson] Do you see a lot
of that with your clients? – Yeah, definitely sometimes we’ll have the little philosophical
argument or conversation, more so, just, life is short, if you’re always unhappy, you’re searching for the next thing, ’cause we always, especially myself, I’m
performance oriented, so I’m thinking, crap, I’m not running a six minute mile right now, but you know, I forget that a month ago, I was running a seven minute mile, so that’s definitely something, I think it’s
really important to, that’s, I think, a good part of CrossFit is having the benchmark workouts, and I’ve done that with
my clients all the time, just remind them, hey, you remember the last time you did
this, you’re doing great, don’t worry about it, we’re having fun. – [Wilson] Are you a
pretty happy guy overall, like your disposition, is
it more on the intense side or do you enjoy life pretty well? – I’d say I’m pretty back and forth. I like to think that
I’m happy all the time, but it doesn’t always happen that way. I’ll be pretty intense, so I think whatever I’m doing, I’m intense, so I’m either really happy, really mad, really upset, but overall I’m a happy guy. – [Wilson] Well, we discuss on here a lot, and I’m sure that you’re
expecting this to come, we talk about finding your bliss, and do you feel like that
you’re living your passion? – Absolutely. I definitely feel I’m working towards it more than I have achieved
what I’m going for, but yeah, I’m definitely
in the right field. I’ve been working athletics and that’s all I’m working, I’m working
a sporting goods store, a running store, it’s not
like I’m working McDonalds. – [Von] Where do you want to be? – Oh, my goal is actually
to open my own store, so I want to open a specialty store that sells not just running equipment like the one I’m working in now, but also general sporting goods, weightlifting, shoes,
belts, different things. A lot of people, at least in this area, there’s not a store like that, and so, everything’s online,
you have to go online to buy weightlifting
shoes, belts, and whatnot. So I think it would be nice to have somewhere you can go you can get fitted, do gait analysis, so
all these expert things to get you in the right equipment, so that’s what I want
to, that’s my end goal, is to open a store. – [Wilson] He’s going to open a store that sells like, big ass logs, and rocks, and track cleats, and
lions, and rattlesnakes, and shit like that. – [Von] It might work. – [Wilson] Yeah, I think it would. Be like the Home Depot of Strongman. I would shop there. – Working at this current running store, it’s really good, we’re
really specialized, we have highly trained staff, but previously I’ve worked
in a sporting goods store, and myself included, nobody knew what they were talking about. There was no training, and so I just want to create an environment where people know what
they’re talking about and we can sell more of a sporting goods oriented market, but help
people get what they need. – [Wilson] What the name of the place that you’re working now? – South Sound Running. It’s a smaller business. There’s four total stores
in the Washington area. – [Wilson] What do you have coming up in terms of competitions and whatnot? – So, I have four that are
on my calender right now. So, at the end of this month I have the Carkeek 12 hour race,
and we run a two mile loop up in Seattle on trail, and it’s really, there’s a lot of vertical in that. It’s listed as one of the
toughest 12 hour races, and so I’m gonna run
that, it’s a couple days before Halloween, so I’m gonna dress up like Jason Vorhees and
run around the woods. – [Von] (laughing) That’s awesome. – Yeah, and then after
that, December 10th, I have the USAPL Holiday classic, and I’ll be competing in that, hoping to qualify for nationals
in the 163 pound division. Last year I qualified for
nationals at the same meet in the 205 pound division, so within my craziness, I thought it would be fun to qualify for nationals in two completely different weight classes back to back years. – [Von] And that’s powerlifting, right? – Yeah. – [Wilson] USPL, is that
United States powerlifting? – It is, yes. – [Von] And so, in a powerlifting meet, can you, just for people that don’t know, explain how does a meet like that work? – So, you have three attempts
at three different lifts, and it’s all for a one rep max. So, you start with the back squat, do three attempts at
that, going for a max, then you do bench press,
and then deadlifts. So, you do nine total judged
lifts throughout the day. So, the goal is to get the
biggest combined total, so your heaviest squat, heaviest bench, and heaviest deadlift is your score. – [Wilson] And tell me again when that is. – December 10th. – [Wilson] You’ve had some
success in the Strongman competitions, and I know, just recently, didn’t you move up
intentionally to the heavyweight and competed at 212
pounds, I think it was? – So, there’s a meet I did, a local meet at Dungeon Fitness,
and that one I moved up to the 231 pound into
overclass even though I only weighed in at about 196 for that, and that was just because
the weights looked simple enough, so I went after that and I got second place at that meet, and then after that, I did a meet at the Cascade Classic with Lift Big Eat Big, in that one I competed in the 231 class even though, even with shoes, hoodie, hat, everything on, I weighed about 212. That one, I didn’t do competitively at, but there was a world
champion in my weight class, Patrick Castelli, it
was just a really heavy, but really fun meet. – [Wilson] Well, that
is pretty awesome, man. I told you we wouldn’t
keep you all day long. I know that you have mouths to run, and trees to cut down, and beer to drink, and ass to kick, but I
really want to thank you for your time, and I want to tell you how much I appreciate and
enjoy keeping up with you and watching your style. Just the way that you carry yourself and the way that you make it all look like it’s just a lot of fun
and that it doesn’t have to be too structured and you don’t have to figure out what’s the most precise way, just get out there and do it, man. So, my hat’s off to you
and I appreciate you. – [Von] Yeah, so where do we
find Never Defeated Athletics. – Right now, you can just go
to neverdefeatedathletics.com and pull up my webpage, I have my email, all my information
there, you can check out some videos. I’ve been posting some
articles recently as well. – [Von] Awesome. – [Von] Yes, thanks
for, I really appreciate you coming on the show and I really appreciate you following
us for all these years. – Yeah, absolutely. It’s been fun. – [Wilson] Stay in touch with us, Elijah, and congratulations on fatherhood. – Thank you. – [Wilson] Take care, buddy. – See ya.
– [Von] See ya later.

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