Jimmy Moore – The Complete Guide to Fasting – Podcast #132

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey there! It’s
Dr. Justin Marchegiani. We have my good friend, Jimmy Moore. And one of the biggest podcasts
on the Internet here. He is a—he’s one of the guys that I look to for inspiration,
kinda how I MC kinda my podcast coz Jimmy is— does it so right. Jimmy, how you doing
today? Jimmy Moore: Hey! What’s up, Justin? I love
how enthusiastic you get. We all have our radio boys when we come on. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. Jimmy Moore: We’re just talking to each
other then, “Hey, hey, guys we’re back here on the Justin Marchegiani show.” Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hahaha. Well I always
love how you exit your podcast. You say the person’s name, you’d say, “His name
is Jimmy Moore” And I love that exit. It was just so great. Jimmy Moore: I still do that. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it. I love
it. It’s so great. I’m gonna do it today, too, as a little tribute for you. Jimmy Moore: That’s cool. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But Jimmy, how have
you been? Jimmy Moore: I’ve been good, man. Just like
us Tony before we came on the air. It’s just busy busy all the time and it’s the
way I like it. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. I know
you had a book that just came out recently on fasting. Let’s dig in. How’s that going?
I know you did that book with Dr. Jason Fung. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Talking about fasting
and how to do it therapeutically. Just kind of any listener that’s trying to get some
more information on fasting, why should they get that book? Jimmy Moore: Well, we wrote the complete guide
to fasting, Dr. Fung and I, uhm— because when I was looking for a resource on doing
some longer facet done some intermittent fast pretty naturally, when you’re ketogenic,
you know it’s extraordinarily easy to intermittent fast. I mean, if you go longer than or—or
shorter than eight hours without eating between meals, you’re not doing it right. So intermittent
fasting was very easy for me and I was even finding that pushing it to say 36-ish hours
which is basically an alternate day fast also was pretty easy. So I want to try to push
the envelope a little bit and do these longer fast. Well I met Dr. Fung of all places in
Cape Town, South Africa he and I shared Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow. Jimmy Moore: — the stage together at a big
low-carb conference that happen there a few years ago. And I went up to him after hearing
his talk. I’d never heard of him before and he was talking about fasting as, “Oh,
here’s somebody that does something about fasting.” And so, I said, “You know I’m
looking for a good resource on doing some longer fast. What is out there?” And he
said, “Nothing.” Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Alright. So we’re
back. So the last question we were talking about the fasting book and you mention you
did it with Dr. Jason Fung, so tell me about kind of how that started? Jimmy Moore: Yes. So he when he and I decided
we wanted to collaborate on a book, I decided to start fasting myself. Again, I’ve been
doing some— some intermittent fast but I wanted to push the envelope and see, “Okay,
let’s see how I do with a little bit longer fast— no, context here.” I used to think
fasting was the stupidest thing in the world. Why would you purposely starve yourself? It
just made no sense to me. But that was under the thinking that I was starving myself. Once
I realized it’s not really starving yourself. You’re doing this for therapeutic reason.
That’s when fasting started to make a little more sense, especially when it was spontaneously
happening on an intermittent level. Really, all you’re doing is just extending it a
little further than that to give your body the benefits that you’re looking for. So
I did a—a goal in September 2015, to go 21 days in a row of fasting. Now the longest
I’ve ever made, it was like 6 1/2 days. And that one, I told this uh—story in the
book, The Complete Guide to Fasting, that I— I took communion on the seventh day of
a fast. And I was planning on going seven days on that one and to communion that day
at church, got home from church and you know what happened, Justin. I crashed so hard. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So hard. Jimmy Moore: And so my blood sugar got down
to low 50s which in and of itself isn’t a horrible thing when you have higher ketone
levels. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. Jimmy Moore: But I wasn’t testing blood
ketones at that time. And I was definitely in hypoglycemia because I was so hungry, and
I was just curled up in the fetal position. And my wife’s like, “Please eat something.”
And I was like, “I’m four hours away.” Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh my gosh. Jimmy Moore: I did in the beating uh—and—and
breaking that fast, but that was kind of my horror story of fasting. So when I came to
this one, I said, “Jason, will you kinda pay attention to me. I will not take communion
this time. God will forgive me. Uh—and – and – Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So you’re thinking
with the communion, it created like a reactive hypoglycemic spike? Is that what you’re
thinking? Jimmy Moore: It really did. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: Because I had gone, like I said,
over six days without eating. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow. Jimmy Moore: Suddenly I introduce this in— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Even a tiny bit. Anybody
that has ever had communion, its’ just a tiny little wafer and a tiny little cup of
juice. Uh—I mean very tiny and just that little bit, Justin push me over the edge in
a hypoglycemia. Now that wouldn’t happen under normal hospices uh— if I just taken
that in—in a fed state. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. Jimmy Moore: But in a fully fasted state,
uh— and my body just wasn’t ready for even that little bit of carbohydrate. So anyway,
21 days— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: I attempted and September 2015,
I made it 17 1/2 days in a row which was almost triple what I had done my longest before.
So I was pretty happy about that. The only reason it ended was Christine and I were actually
on vacation and I was having a good time. And that was stress and I found that stress
for me as a very insulin resistant man, hits me harder probably the most people. And so,
I couldn’t continue with the fast. Now some people said, “Well fasting itself is a stress
and it can be early. But I think the longer you do it, the longer you stay on it, you
actually find that it’s very sustainable beyond the first three days. The first three
days can be pretty tough and we talk very openly about that. I definitely tell people
day two is gonna really suck, worse than anything. But if you get through day two, it’s nirvana
after that. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Awesome. Can you step
uh—half a step to your right. Perfect. Now I got your whole beautiful face in there.
Awesome. Love it. Jimmy Moore: I’m trying to balance where
I’m in. I ‘m in my bedroom so it’s like I –I’m like we’re doing st— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You look perfect right
there. Jimmy Moore: So the question I have for you
is, what was the big difference between being able to go 30 days versus 7? I know the reactive
hypoglycemia thing but it sounds like you’re at 7. Seven so, long way from 30. What was
the different things that Dr. Fung was uh—coaching you on that was helping? Jimmy Moore: I never actually made it 30 days.
Uh— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay. Jimmy Moore: The longest I’ve done is 28
days in January last year. Dr. Justin Marchegiani Wow. Jimmy Moore: 28 out of the 31 days uh—so
wasn’t 28 in a row, but it was 28 of the 31. Again, travel rears it— reared it its
ugly head and uh—kick me in the tail. Christine had to make uh— emergency trip to go see
her family in Virginia. So I hop in the car and what does the stomach start doing? (growl
sound) Great. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, man. Jimmy Moore: So I end the fast. But that—that—But
that’s self-awareness. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: You gotta know. You got fit fasting
within your life. And so if life happens, and life happen that day, and of course we
had to drive home from that. When life happens, you just have to deal with it and not fight
back. Uh— listen to your body and I’m sure you preach this pretty often to your
listeners, listen to your body and pay attention and respond accordingly. Don’t fight those
signals that tell you something’s wrong. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I totally agree.
Now when you mentioned not fat—not eating for 28 days, so what does that look like?
Is it just simple as you’re just not eating? Or are there certain things that you’re
doing with hydration or minerals? Jimmy Moore: Great question. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What else is there? Jimmy Moore: Yes. So when I first started
doing these longer fast, Justin, I thought, “Okay, I’m going to need something.”
Because anybody that knows my history, you know, really eating literally all the time.
Uh— it’s kind of funny to think, “Oh, not eating at all? What—what?” So, I decided
I’m going to do it with bone broth, with some sea salt so that gives you a little bit
of uh—nutrition there—minimal. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: Coz I’m only having a cup or
two a day and this may be like 80 calories for 2 cups of bone broth and really minimal
nutrition. I also did a little bit of Kombucha but I’ve since cut that out. I found it
was actually tearing my gut up pretty bad. Because I thought that I would need it to
preserve gut health during the fast. What I’ve found is my gut health has actually
done extraordinarily well without the Kombucha because of the fasting. And so we definitely
into that coz I know that’s kinda your heart and soul, too. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: You talk on gut health. So uhm—
so I did that and of course, as you mentioned, hydration, hydration, hydration. I didn’t
really count how much water I was drinking but I was drinking quite a bit of water. And—
and the interesting thing is people sometimes they will just do water only. I would say
do salt water in there as well. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. Jimmy Moore: Because that helps to balance
out the electrolytes and if you’re using something like pink Himalayan sea salt, you’re
getting those trace minerals of the potassium and—and the other things that are gonna
keep your electrolytes in balance. That’s a concern a lot of medical professionals have
about these longer fast, is where do you get your electrolytes? That’s how you can balance
that out. And I’m a big fan, so was Dr. Fung of, kinda adding in that salt from time
to time as well. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I think when
you’re under stress and you’re in a stress response, one of the big things that happens
is that hormone aldosterone can go loaded and that cause you to pee out a lot your minerals. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So it that sounds
like adding in the extra minerals, electrolytes, and also some—some little bit of amino acids
in there, really made a difference for you. Jimmy Moore: And speaking of elimination— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: You wanna get down and dirty. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh yeah, let’s hear
it. Jimmy Moore: So you actually do pee quite
a bit, and—and that’s natural especially if you’re coming from a non-ketogenic state.
You’re suddenly flooding your body with ketones by not eating anything. And so, when
that happens, all the glycogen? Pheww— right outta you. And so what happens? You pee your
brains out. And even if you’ve been ketogenic, you’re gonna have that as well. And those
are kinda gross, but it’s real life, people. So here we go— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s cool. Keeping
it real. Jimmy Moore: But then the thing that come—comes
out the other end, though, that’s the most interesting thing to me. Coz you think, okay,
after a few days you’ve not eaten, all that’s gone. Uh-uh— I’ve gone really long times
without eating and by day 12, day 15, you’re still seeing stuff come out the back side.
And it—it freaked me out coz I’m going, “What else is in there?” It—it just
it’s amazing we don’t realize just how much gunk is still in there. And you can definitely
explain maybe why that stuff’s still in there that deep into a fast when you’re
drinking plenty of water every day, you’re getting adequate salt which would ostensibly
make things move along pretty—pretty good as well. Why would there be stuff still in
there, 12, 15 days later? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, I think some of
that, too, is if you look at the composition of your stool, half of it is gonna be bacteria-based.
So It just could be bacteria that’s replicating in the gut just kinda having this kind of
passing its lifecycle. That could be one aspect. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s definitely
not the fibers in the food aspect. Jimmy Moore: No. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That part is not there.
But the other half of your stool is gonna be the bacteria so that make sense. So that’s
good that you are having regularity there. Jimmy Moore: Oh, yeah. Definitely regularity.
I would say the the—the uhm—the normality of the stool was gone by day 5. In other words,
it was all kinda soupy. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: After day five. And–and from
what you just said that make sense. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Totally. Now
the big concern that I have with patients—coz I have a lot of patient with blood sugar issues
and adrenal issues—is that when you–you cut calories, you know, one of the big things
you’ll see in the research is— just type in, “hypocaloric diet” and “low thyroid”
or “low T3” Jimmy Moore: Yes. Dr. Justin Marchegiani:– or “triiodothyronine”
is we see the thyroid kinda down regulate. We see the body temp go down. We see the reverse
T3 go up. We see the free and total T3 go down. What did you evaluate your thyroid function
during the fast and all? Jimmy Moore: Here’s the most exciting part
I think about fasting. When you’re doing it deliberately as a therapeutic uh—resource,
and let me give the caveat, I don’t think everybody needs to do really long fast. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm. Jimmy Moore: I think most people probably
could get most of the benefits of fasting just from doing uh— like a 16-8 or 18-6
type of— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: —fast. If you did that, I think
probably most of the population would do well. This is for those people that are the type
II diabetic that are the very insulin resistant that do have a lot of obesity that they want
to try to deal with. Uhm—this is uh— who it’s for. Now you mention hypocaloric diets.
Here is the thing. Hypo caloric diets can be very detrimental to you. So let’s say,
5,6,700 calorie a day type of diets. That will actually slow your metabolism down. People
worry about, “Oh, I’m gonna ruin my metabolism. It’s gonna slow — Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. Jimmy Moore: —my basal metabolic rate.”
And all this, yada, yada, yada that you hear. And the research definitely bears it out.
We’ve seen it with the biggest loser contestants. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Jimmy Moore: Here’s the thing. When you
eat no calories at all, which I’m defining as that bone broth and the Kombucha, anything
like less than maybe a couple hundred calories, that actually is a far different creature
than a hypocaloric state of 5,6,700 calories. Fasting actually revs up your metabolism and
gives you a lot of health benefits and impacts those hormones in a different way than even
eating just a little bit which blows people’s minds. So thinking, “If I just eat a little
bit, then that’s better than not eating at all.” No. Actually it’s a lot better
to not eat anything at all again defined as 200 calories— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Interesting. Yeah. Jimmy Moore: — than to have even a little
bit calories. And your body thinks it starving and it’s gonna hold on to everything, whereas
fasting releases it all and lets this cascade of really cool hormonal effects are to happen. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Interesting. Now what
about people that have blood sugar issue, would they tend to go hypoglycemic? How do
you address that on —when you’re going to do a fast? Jimmy Moore: So if there’s concerns about
that, obviously keep a very close eye on that and obviously this should go without saying,
let uhm— medical professional follow you. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: —while you’re going through
this. Uhm— so don’t willy-nilly do a fast on your own especially if you have known issues
like hypoglycemia. But what we’ve seen and what Dr. Fung has seen— he seen well over
1000 patients in his intensive dietary management plan uh— in Toronto, Ontario Canada and
he actually has had some hypoglycemic patients come on and it actually regulates their hypoglycemia.
So it doesn’t mean that their blood sugar doesn’t go down —it does. When you fast,
it goes down. But the cool thing is, you have a corresponding rise in the blood ketones. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Ketones. Jimmy Moore: — which then steps in the place
of that. So that yes, you have lower levels of blood sugar, but it— but you’re completely
asymptomatic of hypoglycemia. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Now what do you think
about adding in synthetic ketones while doing the fast. Like the betahydroxy butyrate calcium
salts. Are you concerned that if you do that while you fast, you may go up into that ketoacidosis
rate? What’s your experience there? Jimmy Moore: So I have used it uh— in the
early days and I would say, use it for the first maybe two, maybe three days, but Justin,
by the time you get today 3-4, you’re seeing betahydroxy butyrate levels of 4,5,6 very
easily without exogenous ketones. So I would say, it’s probably a good idea in those
first couple days especially day 2 where it’s hell—haha— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Tough to cravings. Jimmy Moore: —to take it then for that purpose
to kinda get through that period coz you’ll feel the effects that you’re in the fully
fasted state because of the extra ketones. But then once your ketones naturally go up
on their own, you can back off and completely eliminate those exogenous ketones. So I think
as a beginning uh —part of the fast, absolutely. As you go higher, know and—I— I don’t
think ketoacidosis would be a concern because you have to get extraordinarily high level— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 25, right? 20’ish— Jimmy Moore: of blood ketones. Yeah. 20+ milli
molar and I think the highest I’ve ever seen, and this was without exogenous ketones,
was 7.6 Very naturally, again, it was early on when I started keto and I started kinda
really doing this. Your body levels out over time, but blood sugar at the same time as
7.6 was like in the 50’s and so I wasn’t worried about it in the context of a lower
blood glucose level. And if you’re fasting, your blood glucose level is gone drop like
a rock. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it. Okay. And
I’ve seen a lot of people do the therapeutic fasting with severe insulin resistance. It
can be a game changer of turning that insulin resistance around right away. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And get them back
on, you know, the right type of guy whether it’s a paleo, low-carbish, you know— Jimmy Moore: Sure. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 60 carb, 20 protein,
10—10—or 20 protein uh—10 carb. Whatever that macro rain— Jimmy Moore: Right. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You figure it out
with your clinician and work on that. I think it’s a great starting point. My issue is
with the low-calorie. I always see a lot of patients just automatically they tend to go
lower calorie to begin with. And it’s hard to see if their fatigue is from a low-calorie
issue. Jimmy Moore: Yes. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: —or adrenal, thyroid
issue. And the calories you can be driving all of the above. Jimmy Moore: It could be both exactly where
the one is feeding it to the other. And— and I do a Thursday podcast called, “Keto
Talk” and my cohost on that one is a practitioner out of Arizona, Dr. Adam Nally and he sees
10, 15,000 patients a year. And so he’s seen literally everything come through the
office and he says, “The biggest issue that he sees time and time and time again especially
among women is they’re not eating enough calories when they go keto.” And so you
gotta have adequate calories or it’s just a moot point. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Definitely the
fasting is therapeutic coz we— we need nutrition to run our body and we won’t be getting
those nutrients in a fasting state. But when will be doing some severe uh —U-turns with
our physiology when it comes to insulin resistance for sure. Jimmy Moore: Absolutely. That’s why you
do it. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Also, I had a little
flashback when you’re talking about the constipation thing. Jimmy Moore: Uh-oh. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I flashback to one
of your podcast a few years back when I— you are interviewing— not Ornish, when uh
— Mc Dougall. Jimmy Moore: Yes. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And he kept on referring
you to Mr. Moore— Jimmy Moore: Ho-ho—how’s your constipation,
he told me. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. He kept on saying,
“How’s your constipation, Mr. Moore?” “How is it?” So I kept on having those
flashbacks there. That was an excellent interview that I think uh —everyone should partake
in. It was just a uhm—amazing. Jimmy Moore: It was fun. Hahaha— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: —just you showing
your patience on being able to stay calm. That was unbelievable. You’re a saint. Jimmy Moore: What’s funny is behind the
scenes, my wife could hear what was going on. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: She heard it very quickly took
a turn for the worse. And she— I mean I had on mute and she was like, “Don’t let
him run over you.” I’m like, “I got this—I got this.” Hahaha— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That was probably
one of the podcast— one of the best podcast that I’ve ever seen. It was great. Love
it. Jimmy Moore: You gotta have fun in podcasting
and sometimes talk to people that you don’t agree with and they can hang themselves. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Well, we’ll
put that topic behind us. Uhm— literally and figuratively. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So you— Jimmy Moore: See ya. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I know. Next— what’s
your experience using MCT oil or other types of ketone precursors to help to kinda push
yourself into a higher level of ketosis? Jimmy Moore: Yeah. I think they’re great
adjuncts. Like we said a moment ago— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: —with the exogenous ketones
in the beginning of a fast, I think anything that’s gonna give you even a psychological
boost, I know that physiologically you should be getting a boost in your ketones because
MCT is a precursor to that. But I think anything that’s gonna make you feel better about
what you’re doing and how you’re fueling your body and—and the end goal of—of feeling
better and getting healthier, is a good thing. So just be careful if you do add any of these
products like MCT oil, specifically. I remember first time I was gonna— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Loose stools. Jimmy Moore: —two big tablespoons full of
this stuff— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah. Jimmy Moore: And two hours later, I can’t
get off the pot. So— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hahaha— Jimmy Moore: Hahaha—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. Jimmy Moore: So you gotta—It’s beware
at that point and—and be prudent about it. Obviously, listen to podcasts like these.
Uh— it’s gonna help you, you uhm—you know, and read up before you kinda jump full-fledged.
I think sometimes a little bit of knowledge is dangerous, Justin. Because people think,
“Oh well, I can do this on my own.” And you probably should not do it on your own. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I hundred percent
agree. Now you mentioned that certain people the fasting may not be the best thing for,
especially when there’s a lot of active stress. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And is that because
of the stress hormones affecting blood sugar and insulin levels? Jimmy Moore: Blood sugar and just how you
feel in general. I— I think all of those things uhm— it’s just not a good idea.
I mean obviously, if you’re malnourished and underweight, you shouldn’t be fasting
either coz you’re gonna lose weight. Uhm— if you’re pregnant, obviously you should
not be uh— fasting because you’re basically trying to build a little one inside you. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Jimmy Moore: You’re going to needing to,
you know, feed you and that baby. Uhm —I think if someone comes from an eating disorder,
like uh—anorexia or bulimia, get that under control first. Uhm— and just— and children.
If you’re under age, and you’re still developing and growing, probably not a good
idea to fast unless the only caveat I’d give to the children is unless they’re very
severely— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: — obese and diabetic and this
is something that could be therapeutic for them. But again, in general, children probably
should not be fasting. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it. Would you
say if you also have like an active thyroid or adrenal issue, would you say get that under
control before trying that? Jimmy Moore: Yeah. You definitely want to
get those things under control. Uh— it might help those things, it might— but I think
getting those under control through nutrition first, and then as an adjunct in the process
of your healing, adding in a few times a fasting just to see how you do, is definitely there
is no downside to trying it uh —a time or two, just to see how it impacts you. And—
and that’s the theme song, we say again and again with what I like to refer to as
the other “F word”. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Nice. Jimmy Moore: With fasting is you just gotta
try it. And if it works for you, great; If doesn’t work for you, great. Move on back
to your Paleo diet, your ketogenic diet and be happy with where you are. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. And I spoke
at 2015 low-carb cruise, and one of the things I talked about was thyroid function and insulin
resistance. So, if you are insulin resistant, that can definitely affect thyroid function.
And fasting may be a good short-term modality to help get that insulin resistance which
would thus, help with thyroid T4 to T3 conversion, too. Jimmy Moore: And see, it’s all related. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: People like to say, “Well,
I have uh— heart disease, I have diabetes, I have cancer.” Guess what guys, they’re
all metabolic diseases, they’re all cut from the same cloth. Uh— thyroid disease,
the same thing. They are all cut from the exact same cloth and—and knowing that, keeps
you so much more knowledge and power than probably most medical professionals. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally, 100% agree
with that. So looking at some of the supplements that you’re using, I know you’ve up with
your own line with Dr. Adam Nally there on your Keto podcast. Jimmy Moore: Yup. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Let’s talk about
some of the—the core or the big three so to speak. Uhm—what are those and then where
do you—where do you stand on synthetic ketones, too? Jimmy Moore: So uh— big three in terms of
what the big uhm— supplements are? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Exactly. What
are those big three supplements that you’re doing? Jimmy Moore: The big three—like—haha Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Haha— Jimmy Moore: We have two uh—two products
in the line. Currently, one is multivitamin that’s very specifically uh —targeted
to people on a ketogenic diet. We call it Keto Essentials. And we literally load that
bad boy up with all kind of stuff uhm —and so in six pills, you get like all the vitamin
D that most people would need. I believe we have 2000 IU of the vitamin D in there. We
have biotin. We have uh—just a lot of things, K2, that you don’t usually see in a lot
of multivitamins. You definitely can’t find this formulation in like uh— vitamin shop
or anything like that. So uh— we worked hard and this is one that Dr. Nally actually
uses specifically with his patients that he puts on a which is like 99% of the people
that come through his door, he puts on a ketogenic diet. And then uh— uh—the other one is
blood sugar tends to be an issue a lot of people deal with. And so Berberine Plus is
the name of the product that we came out with there and it’s for Berberine, Banaba leaf
and chromium all known to help lower and modulate your blood sugar levels. And the cool thing
about that one is when you lower blood sugar, guess what also happens, you raise in the
context of a low-carb, high-fat diet, you raise ketone levels. And so it helps you get
into ketosis. Uhm— I would think that fish oil probably is a third one that’s really
essential work we’re—we’re kinda looking into what we can do from an omega-3 standpoint.
But I think getting that right balance of Omega 3’s is so essential. I personally
just love cod liver oil. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. Jimmy Moore: And use it pretty often and definitely
high quality pharmaceutical grade. Don’t buy the ones that are, you know, Walgreens
or whatever. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. Jimmy Moore: No offense but just they’re
just—they’re rancid, they’re nasty. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. Jimmy Moore: And—and when you fishy burp,
that’s a really bad sign— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. Jimmy Moore: that you got a bad one. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Jimmy Moore: So— and then you asked about
exogenous ketones, I’m still kind of— I’m still kind of filling that out because
there’s a lot of companies out there really trying to get on this bandwagon with exogenous
ketones. Uh— I think I was telling you before I came in the air, I don’t like to way some
of them are being marketed. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: Into ketosis within 45 minutes
or less—No, you don’t. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: You get ketones in your blood
system. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Jimmy Moore: But you’re not in ketosis.
You’re not keto adapted and then some of the other marketing is like, “Well, eat
all the carbs you want, just take exogenous ketones and you’re in ketosis.” I’m
like “No. No. There’s some dangerous implications there where you’re raising your blood sugar
with these carbs you’re eating and then suddenly you’re raising blood keto levels.
That would be a concern for ketoacidosis at some point if you go overboard. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Big time. Jimmy Moore: So I’m very leery about this,
Justin. And very open about it I do think exogenous ketones have a role in the Keto
community where people that are struggling may be just starting off and they want to
kinda feel some of the effects of having ketones in their blood system. This will do that for
them and again, a psychological effect of, “Oh, well I already have ketones in my system,
now it motivates me to go do it endogenously while I’m doing it exogenously. I think
that can be—that can be a good use for them. But just these people that are pushing it
and eat your carbs and have ketones at the same time, no— don’t do this. Don’t
do that anymore. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I totally agree. I
see a lot of these companies. They do that and they don’t really emphasize the dietary
aspect of pus your physiology into nutritional ketosis by making the right diet and lifestyle
changes. They’re just like “Hey, let’s forget that let’s just take this magic pill
and get in the ketosis.” But we’re saying maybe do both. If you do some of that and
then you make the diet changes than you can have a really beneficial effect. Jimmy Moore: Yeah and unfortunately, I think
a lot of these companies are just in it for the book. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: For the trend and, you know,
Keto is very, very hot right now. I wrote Keto Clarity three years ago, and it’s still
under a 1000 on Amazon. It just blows my mind how help long that book is just lasted. But
it’s because so many people are truly interested and I’d— I don’t want anybody to get
confused that Keto— exogenous ketones is anything close to being exactly the same as
endogenous doing it through a low-carb, moderate protein, high-fat diet. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it. And what’s
your take using endogenous ketones for like neurological disorders? Whether it’s epilepsy
or whether it’s Parkinson’s or neurological conditions. What’s your experience with
that did? Jimmy Moore: Did you say endogenous or exogenous? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhm— I’m sorry
I would be talking about exogenous. Jimmy Moore: Okay. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So extra ketones.
So let’s assume— Jimmy Moore: Coz I heard you say endogenous—Wait
a minute, uh—eat low carb and then—haha— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So endogenous is what’s
happening inside. That’s the low-carb— Jimmy Moore: Yes. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: —that moderate protein
diet— Jimmy Moore: Right. Right. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And then exogenous
what we’re putting into our bodies. So what’s your take with that with some of those neurological
conditions? Jimmy Moore: Oh my goodness. I think these
are the people that that was made for that. O-o—other than like the Navy Seals which
I know Dominique D’ Agostino’s been kind of leading the way of creating these things
for the Navy Seals to kind of help, you know, enhance their mental performance. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: While they’re out there. And
plus they do a lot of fasting as well. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. Jimmy Moore: So they do a lot of the endogenous
ketones that way. So, yeah. Absolutely. These are the very people that I think they’re
trying to reach this really cool ratio of glucose to— to ketone and if they’re doing
it endogenously and—and working voraciously even more so than just someone just trying
to heal insulin resistance, they’re going upwards 85-90% fat and then the rest is protein,
carb. They’re doing really hardcore trying to get those ketone levels up for a therapeutic
purpose. So don’t misunderstand me as, “Oh, I’m gonna go eat 90% fat. Jimmy Moore said
it was okay.” No, I didn’t. For the purposes of Parkinson’s and—and some of the things
that you mention, I think it, along with exogenous ketones, can be very uh —very therapeutic
for those people because quite frankly, the brain— your fat head, by the way, Justin— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: And so am I. We all are. We’re
all like we have— was at 70% fat— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. Jimmy Moore: —in our brains. And there are
some glucose uh— functions in the brain but your body makes all the glucose you need
endogenously. So you don’t have to eat, you know, uh— extra glucose in order to
get it into the brain. So the brain’s gonna be fine. The brain’s actually going to be
more than fine. It’s gonna be optimal when you start eating low-carb, moderate protein,
high-fat. And then adding in these exogenous ketones, the brain just goes wild when you’re
in a ketogenic state. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. And you talked
about brain here just one second ago. Now we are— we are 70% you know, fat in the
brain. Uh— Tom —Tom Naughton uh— his video, “Fat Head” a few years back. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It was just absolutely
great. It was really emphasizing that. But in our brain, right? We look at some of the
enzymes that are active in our brain. There’s one enzyme called insulin degrading enzyme.
And that enzyme’s really unique because that enzyme’s also the enzyme that mops
up insulin and also mops up plaque. So imagine someone spilled a whole bunch of insulin on
your floor, right? And yet Mop comes in, and mops up that insulin but there’s some plaque
on the other side of the floor because the mop’s so saturated it can’t mop up the
plaques. In other words, that mop can only mop up so much gunk in the brain. The more
insulin that’s there from the excess sugar and carbs, you have less of that mop’s utilization
for the plaque. And that’s part of the mechanism of Alzheimer’s and some of these Dementia
brain conditions. Jimmy Moore: Alright. I wanna see an illustration
of that on your website now. So— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Haha— Jimmy Moore: The mop that’s dripping with
insulin can’t get the plaque—Haha— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’m gonna do it.
I’m gonna do it. I’m gonna do a chalk talk later this week. You got it. Jimmy Moore: Cool. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It will be uh —dedicated
to you, Jimmy. Jimmy Moore: Cool. There you go. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So we talked about
the insulin piece, that’s important. What’s been your experience with fasting or using
very— like you know, 200-500 calorie diets? And I know you said below 200. I had some
experience using hCG. Some of the hCG protocols— Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The Human Chorionic
Gonadotropin. And using that to basically tap into your body secure fat sources and
kinda having this appestat, you know, the appestacin or the brain kinda re-regulating
that. What’s been your experience with that, if you have any? Jimmy Moore: Can I be honest about hCG? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: I’m extraordinarily skeptical
uhm— I know it’s helped a lot of people actually uh —know a lot of patients that
have gone through that. I have not personally done that. Uhm— and I think the thing that
scares me the most about it and maybe you can acquiesce my fear, is the— is the very,
very low calorie. I think I find more benefit from being under the 200 than being at 500
with hCG. And it could just be my naïveté and not knowing enough about it, but I’m—
I’m just extraordinarily concerned anybody that goes through that. Because once you go
through the round of hCG and you go back to eating somewhat normally again, maybe a ketogenic
diet, I haven’t really seen anybody continue to sustain the benefits from that. So that
would be my only caveat concern about this. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I’ve done
it with a couple dozen patients. I’ve done it myself personally. My wife tried it a few
times as well. And it has worked profoundly if you do it right. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Couple of caveats,
there’s a lot of homeopathic’s out there— homeopathic drops— Jimmy Moore: Yes. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Don’t recommend
that. If you do an hCG, you should do it the injection— Jimmy Moore: You do the injection.Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You should do the
injection. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And the easy way to
do it as you should know because if you get a pregnancy test, you should test positive.
It’s a great way to freak out your husband, by the way. Okay. Jimmy Moore: Test positive— Will a guy test
positive for pregnancy as well? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I —I think they
will because that’s still gonna spill out—some of it will spill out in the urine. Jimmy Moore: I so wanna do that to freak out
Christine. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hahaha— Jimmy Moore: Hahaha— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But I tried it with
a sublingual and I tried it with a homeopathic— Jimmy Moore: Yes. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You will not get a
positive pregnancy test. And again, my wife has tried it, not me. I’ve done the injection
but I haven’t tried it yet. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But I’ve seen it
work phenomenal. It took her about one year to gain the weight back. Jimmy Moore: Wow. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And she felt great.
Going— that— In the first five days was tough, but you are able to keep it off. And
again, you know ,the quick—the key is what do you go back to? Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You go back to a really
good diet. Jimmy Moore: That’s right. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: She’s kind of a
Paleo, low-carb. Jimmy Moore: Sure. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s where she—she
lives. Uhm— but again, the key is don’t go back to a crappy diet. But the science
behind that is the hCG is tricking the body. And this makes sense more with the female
physiology. Jimmy Moore: Right. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Not so much the male.
You’re tricking the body that you are pregnant and your body is tapping into secure fat stores
coz it’s trying to pull calories out so the baby can be nourished and fed. So the
whole idea is you’re tapping into those secure fat stores. That’s the stores you
normally wouldn’t tap into if that hormonal level wasn’t there. And there’s been a
study at __was the British endocrinologist— Jimmy Moore: Right. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: —that came up with
this in the 60’s. Jimmy Moore: Right. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: There’s a study
in the Lancet where you have two group: one without the hCG, low-calorie diet; one with
the hCG. And the group with the hCG loss more calories and also kept it off longer as well.
So just kinda—that’s from my experience and pretty good. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. I’ve interviewed a few
people about hCG on the “Livin La Vida Low Carb Show” over the years. So I’m curious
the 500 calories is key. You’ve gotta keep it down so basically you don’t overfeed
your body because you’re tapping into the body fat stores to make up for the rest of
calories that you need. Is that the theory? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes and no. I— I’ve
modified it over the years where I still boost the calories up a little bit more upto — Jimmy Moore: You do. Okay. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: — thousand. I played
around with that coz you still get— Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: —similar results.
And also adding in— they recommend no fats but the only exception is been for me is MCT
Oil. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And I find it boost
up the ketones the more helps with the appetite. Jimmy Moore: I would be willing to try a 1000
calorie one with the hCG injections that— that sounds a little more prudent. I think
the 500 was what just freak me out. Every time I saw that it— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’ve had so many
good experiences with it with people that already have healthy diets, healthy everything. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that’s like
my go to with patients that are like at their wits end with their diet. Everything else
is right— exercise, lifestyle, supplements, gut. That’s kind of my last go to. So I’d
be curious to see your— your take on that. Jimmy Moore: Yeah maybe will give it a go. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it. Very cool.
So we talked about the ketone, we talked about some of the supplements which I think are
really good. Now we talk about you— you talked about it before in Keto clarity kinda
looking at your lipid panel Can we talk more about lipids when you’re— when someone’s
reading their lipid panel, is there cut off for you? With your cholesterol so high that
they should worry at all? What does that look like for you? Jimmy Moore: Total cholesterol is that you’re
referring to? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Total cholesterol.
Correct. Jimmy Moore: Yes. So I was just talking to
this lady that was going in at the mail place I’d take books every day to the mail and
this lady was there, and I don’t know how it came out, but her —her total cholesterol
she just shared it with me. I guess she knew what I did for a living. And so, you have
620 total cholesterol and I’m like, “Okay, that’s high. I’m not really worried about
total cholesterol in general, but that’s really, really high.” And so I said uhm—
“So usually when your blood lipids are that high, do you have, you know, something else
going on? Do you have like maybe infections in your teeth or something?” She’s like,
“Oh, yeah.” and she pulls out the bottom of her teeth. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Ohh— Oh, man. Jimmy Moore: She had six all pulled out that—
that probably had infections in there from root canals that she’s had done. And this
was the bad part. This was the part that just broke my heart, Justin. She just spent over
$10,000 mercury amalgam galore all in her teeth. And I’m going, “I’m sorry to
be the bearer of bad news, but that’s why your blood cholesterol has gone up so extraordinarily
high.” So I think in the context of knowing why it’s high, it does matter. Uh—but
it’s not the high number, I told her. I said, “You should be very thankful that
you have that very high cholesterol because that’s the only thing that’s saving you
from dying right now because of the inflammation.” And so it kinda startled her. “I just spend
all this money” and like, “I know but total cholesterol can be an interesting marker
if it starts to go up because it should clue you when something is going on somewhere in
the body and it’s usually an inflammatory response somewhere. And teeth is a big one
for a lot of people. I actually have four root canals done when I was in my early 20s,
mercury amalgams. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Argh— Jimmy Moore: And 2013, actually wrote a book,
“Cholesterol Clarity” and an in preparation for that book, I thought well, I learned that
infections in your teeth can be a big player in your total cholesterol. So I went and got
them all cleaned up. I went to a holistic dentist down the road from here, he took all
the mercury amalgam— amalgams and put good stuff in there and he cleaned up all of the
root canals and the infections that had taken place. I can literally taste the infection
that’s how bad it was. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh— Jimmy Moore: So he cleaned all that up, and
Justin, and in one year, my total cholesterol jumped a 100 points just from doing that.
No other changes, just from doing that. And so it can be uh—uh —kinda your first telltale
sign something serious might be going on. So that’s the only weight that I really
give total cholesterol. I think looking at triglyceride – HDL ratio gives you a whole
lot better indication. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. Jimmy Moore: You know, any, maybe necessarily
cardiovascular issues uh—and NHS CRP to kinda see you like the inflammatory response.
There’s a lot of inflammatory uh —numbers I know that you run. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: Uhm—in—in your office. And
so I think cholesterol helps to a degree, but not to the degree that most mainstream
medical professionals think it does. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think you’re a
hundred percent right. Anytime I see like, you know, over—over mid 300 cholesterol,
the first thing I always go to rule out is make sure it’s not a hypercholesterolemia
issue with it. Jimmy Moore: Right. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s just a genetic
issue with the— Jimmy Moore: Right. And I had that tested,
by the way. I have a 5% chance that I have familiar hypercholesterolemia which is, no,
I don’t. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. Exactly. Jimmy Moore: And that—And then it lead to—“Hey,
maybe there’s something— oh yeah, had all these root canals, I had the mercury and
that— that was the thing.” And now my— my blood sugars uh — or blood sugar — blood
cholesterol is still pretty high. It’s in the 200’s but that’s not abnormal. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No, that’s not an
issue at all. Jimmy Moore: And we can talk about the context
of uh— of a ketogenic diet, that’s not abnormal. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I don’t worry
until they’re into the mid 300’s. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But any than that Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: —to—where’s
the HDL—where’s the HDL at? Jimmy Moore: Yes. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Just curious. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. HDL 75. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s beautiful. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So your ratio right
there still under—It’s still under 4. That’s still beautiful. And at 3 ½, you
have the risk factor. Jimmy Moore: And—and 360, so yeah, exactly. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s less than
1. That’s beautiful. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I don’t have an
issue with that. But uh— you know, but if there is an issue, we’ll run the LDR receptor,
the P—PCKS9 test, look at the genetic markers there and if those aren’t there, we’re
doing all the things that you mentioned. Also looking at thyroid function. Jimmy Moore: Yes. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Because low thyroid
function cause— can cause— Jimmy Moore: Will raise cholesterol— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: to creep up. Jimmy Moore: Yup. Do you run an NMR at all? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhm— Yeah. I do
run an NMR. I was using the VAP before. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But then after they
got shut down. Jimmy Moore: Yes. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So I’ve been doing
more of the NMR to look at the LDL number. Jimmy Moore: NMR is like the only game in
town now. HDL Labs is gone now, and VAP is gone. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: How about—how about
the Cardiac IQ, is that still there? Jimmy Moore: Yeah, it is. But I think NMR
has a little more prominence. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. Jimmy Moore: It’s got legs coz they’re
like only game in the— in the subfraction game, so to speak. That I think more and more
doctors are accepting that one. Although I will tell you my own medical doctor just down
the road from here in South Carolina, he stopped running them. And I’m going, “Can I please
have an NMR run coz I want to keep around small dense LDL particles” “Well, you’re
gotta have pay for it out-of-pocket.” So insurance won’t even pay for it anymore. They don’t have a code for it anymore at
my local doctors office. So I run it on my own anyway I can— I can do it NMR for about—
about 50 and done and done. And in that way, I know where I am. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. That’s so
smart. And again, I’m imagining the main reason why they’re not running it is because
there’s no modality that they can do to change it. Jimmy Moore: Well, they don’t know what
to do with it. That—mainstream medicine they even run the standard lipid panel. They
don’t know what to do with it. So that— that’s we’re getting deep into an issue
with the mainstream medical system. They run so many numbers that they just don’t know
what to do with it. “Okay, you’re normal. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: And it’s like normal of what? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What? Jimmy Moore: Sick people. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Exactly. And
also the fact that uhm— also when you’re looking at those test, typically the prescriptions
gonna be a statin. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The statin won’t
touch particle size and won’t touch LDL number per se. Jimmy Moore: Right. Well kudos to this uh—
this postal lady coz she said, “They tried to put me on this medicine. I told them, I
ain’t taking that ever.” It’s like, “You go girl.” Uh—so she was—she was
really— do have a fasting story regarding uh— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: —cholesterol when I did that
September 2015 fast, 17 ½ days, I tested all of my blood markers uh —cholesterol
before and then did it after. Do you know when that 17 ½ days my total cholesterol
dropped a hundred points. And my LDL-P which was on the NMR like profile test, it dropped
a thousand points. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Whoa. Jimmy Moore: And small LDL was pretty low
already but it even dropped another hundred or so points. Uhm— triglycerides obviously
went down as well. HDL slightly went down which you’re not eating food, that make
sense coz—since dietary fat tends to help your HDL go up. I wasn’t eating anything
so uh— really interesting markers. And then the uh— really advanced lipid marker lipoprotein
little-a actually was in the 400’s. I’ve always had really high lipoprotein little-a,
like 423, and it dropped down to like 130 in 17 ½ days. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow. Jimmy Moore: Nothing moves that. No drug moves
your numbers that quickly. So uh— I was pretty impressed by the— just the therapeutic
fasting. Just that little bit of fasting how profound it move those cholesterol numbers. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What If you’re someone
that was going to their conventional position. Could just fasting for a day or two make—
move the needle in the right direction so you’d be out of that danger zone? Jimmy Moore: You know I didn’t test after
a couple days. That— this will be a fun test to do. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: Like uh— I like do daily NMR’s
or whatever— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: I just see when that— that
dramatic shift takes place. I don’t think it would in that very short amount of time. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. Jimmy Moore: Uh—I know some people they
try to get like good health insurance or life insurance policies based on the cholesterol
numbers. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: I never get those preferred rates
because I can’t get my numbers down that good. Uh— although, uh—you could do it
with uh—you know, 10-day fast to try to get those numbers down. Get the good rate
and go back to eating, it would go back up again. But, yeah, it’s uh— you know, I
haven’t tried that but, that— would—If I could uh—make a little—If I can sell
a few more books maybe I’ll do that daily NMR just to kind of keep an eye on what’s
exactly happening. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s great work.
Kinda doing the circle run here. We hit the fasting book, fasting clarity; hit the Keto
clarity; we hit the cholesterol clarity; Are there any other key topics within those three
books to give out now, that you wanna hit on? That you just feel is really important
to address? Jimmy Moore: Yeah. I mean, we’ve hit all
the—the key points with that. Uhm— I’m obviously still writing books and still continuing
to— to try to get information out there. The next book that I’m—I’m working on
is kind of a sequel to Keto Clarity uh— coz all these people read that it was meant
to be an entry-level book. I get some weird reviews on Amazon top uh—uh.com sometimes
for Keto Clarity like, “It’s too simple.” Like, “Yeah. That was the point, dude.”
Hahaha— I wanted it to be entry-level coz keto can be a little complex. You start talking
about gluconeogenesis and ketoacidosis. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Gluconeogenesis. I
love it. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. Exactly. Oh, you remember
that. Uh —And so I uh— wanted to go a little bit deeper and so Dr. Nally, uh—my
keto talk co-host and I are actually working on a book called, “The Keto Cure” which
will take all the major disease states uh—that a ketogenic diet helps with and show you the
metabolic pathway of why it works, supplements you can take that would correspond with the
ketogenic diet. And as a very last resort, any medications that might be an adjunct for
that particular condition. So we’re really excited to get that book out in September
uh—like a settl— kind of a long-awaited sequel to Keto Clarity. Uhm— and then another
piece that’s not being talked about a lot, Justin, is the whole uh— mindset. The whole
uh— getting your brain in the right— uh and loving yourself in the process. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Jimmy Moore: I guess it’s a long time to
say a lot of people give you the “Here’s the how to” “Here’s the practical”
And some people say, “I just hate how I look.” “I just don’t know” They don’t
love themselves. And so I’m teaming up with a registered holistic nutritionist named,
Meg Doll. Uh— was Meg on the cruise the year you came? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: She may have been.
Sounds familiar. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. So I— Anyway, she and
I are collaborating on a book called, “Keto Freedom” coming out in December. And then
I just signed the contract as of the recording of this, like today, uh —for my next book
after that called, “Weight Loss White Lies” There are so many shysters in the weight loss
industry and I’m so sick and tired of seeing them on television and in print magazines.
And people believe the garbage that’s put out there about what they need to do lose
weight. And so, “Weight loss White lies” is gonna come in 2018 and I’ve already asked
my publisher, “Can I please just rail against everybody?” So they don’t let me do that
and uh— really excited to get that out there. Constantly working on new projects trying
to uh— help other people, keep doing my podcasts. I do five podcast a week now between
the three shows. So stays busy. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s great. You
are the major podcast guy over the last 10 years. Now you’re into the whole authorship
field. You’re doing great. Any of those book hits uh—hit New York Times best seller? Jimmy Moore: You know, Keto Clarity came so
close. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Aww— Jimmy Moore: It was 22 the week it would’ve
hit. And—and some of the behind-the-scenes games people may not know about. There’s
publishers that actually pay their way to get on the list. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s hard. Jimmy Moore: And so—You know publishers
pay their way to get on the list the week I would’ve it. Uhm— and so I missed it
by two on that one. The Ketogenic Cookbook hit 21. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Aww— one away. Jimmy Moore: But “Ketogenic Cookbook”
did hit International Bestseller status as did the uh—the book after that one uh—
was “The Complete Guide to Fasting” that came out on October uh—we originally called
it “Fasting Clarity” but then we got into writing it and, “Oop, we need to change
the title.” Coz he didn’t want to necessarily stick with the same form as the clarity books.
And so “Complete Guide to Fasting” also it sold out in six hours on Amazon. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow. Unreal. Jimmy Moore: The day it came out. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Everyone listening,
let’s help Jimmy get to number one here on his next book. Jimmy Moore: Hahaha— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, thank you. And
yeah, we’re really excited about “The Keto Cure” and yeah, we’re gonna keep
doing our thing, man. Getting the message out to think we’re all passionate. All of
us in this community are passionate just about educating people and helping them change their
lives. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: We’ll put the links
below to all the Amazon— all the Amazon links to the books of people can easily access
that. Awesome. And if you want to get in touch with Jimmy, livinlavidalowcarb.com livinlavida
pod —livinlavidalowcarb podcast, and as well as the Keto talks, right, with Adam McNally? Jimmy Moore: Adam Nally. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Adam Nally. Jimmy Moore: Yeah. He’s been called McNally.
He’s been called worse, so— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hahaha— Jimmy Moore: that’s just from Jimmy Moore.
Like Keto Talk with Jimmy Moore & the Doc on Thursdays. And then I have a brand new
podcast that started with Dr. Fung in January called, “Fasting Talk” so that’s also
out there, as well, fastingtalk.com Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it, man. Excellent.
And last question I asked all my guests here. If you’re stuck on a desert island and you
can only bring one supplement with you, what would it be, Jimmy? Jimmy Moore: Well, I wouldn’t need vitamin
D if I’m on a dessert island so— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No. You wouldn’t
need that. Jimmy Moore: One supplement— I— I would
bring MCT oil. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I knew you were gonna
say that. That would myself ahead of time. Jimmy Moore: Hahaha—Or coconut oil, either
one— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Something to increase
uh— ketones naturally. Love it, Jimmy. Jimmy Moore: Or to be fuelled, you know, coz
if you’re—because you’re probably gonna have to fast quite a bit. So if I’m fasting,
I want some fat in my body. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally makes sense.
And you’d be a pro at that. I mean 28 days, man. Coz me and you in a dessert island, I
think you may have me beaten, man. Jimmy Moore: Well, I’ve got a little more
uh—uh— meat on my body as well. I would survive a little longer. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I hear you. Jimmy Moore: Awesome, Jimmy. Hold on, I’m
gonna do it. His name is Jimmy Moore. Thanks Jimmy. I appreciate everything. Jimmy Moore: His name—is Jimmy Moore. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it. Jimmy Moore: Thanks so much for joining us
here today on the Justin Marchegiani Show. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it. And again,
thank you for being an inspiration on the podcast. I listen to your shows for a lot
inspiration and just kinda how do I captivate the crowd and just be a really good host and
kinda like prod for those good questions and that good uh—interactive feedback. So I
appreciate that, Jimmy. I think the spontaneity helps and—and when you’re good friends
with the person you’re interviewing, that also helps a lot. Uhm— and yeah, behind-the-scenes,
I try to mentor a lot of podcasters. People don’t realize that I’m talking to a lot
of these people that are coming on new and I’m happy to do that. I’ve done this a
very long time and I love every minute of it. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it, Jimmy. We’ll
get you back on as soon as that book comes out. Jimmy Moore: Thanks, bud. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Thanks so much, Jimmy.
Take care.

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