Episode 38: The Demon In The Machine by Paul Davies – Julien’s Book Review

Episode 38: The Demon In The Machine by Paul Davies – Julien’s Book Review


yeah it’s pretty broad times okay I
think we’re good you’re good we’re good right first right so it’s gonna be up
you another of peer-review about the book the demon in the machine by Paul
Davis the reason it’s a peer review is cuz
this is it’s not your it’s not like a science fiction book that’s for sure
it’s a very it’s basically a collection of studies to prove a point I would yeah
right I was reading this at the coffee shop here
I don’t know this last week and it takes a while yeah well it’s it’s a lengthy
read but if you’re look at the coverage the demon in the machine so one of the
people there asked oh what’s that about yeah
I do that so what I said is I said oh it’s like a scary book yes I was like no
way I said listen I can’t dive into this right especially between now when you go
Joey she’s getting tattooed like the map on your shoulder yeah and is that you
know – 20 year-old comes in tattoo artists from there it’s like oh what’s
that and I go yet yeah it’s quantum mechanics and this she was like that’s
very interesting and she starts to dwelve into it I’m like why she was like
yeah so my first major was applied physics
and then I run into this in this issue so I went to all the med school instead
and so she understood right away because it wouldn’t in quantum mechanics and
biology she was like yeah I just chose tattooing I was like let’s talk some
more yeah so that was my yeah that was meeting someone at the tattoo parlor
good for you yeah so you never know anyway so maybe I shouldn’t have lied
maybe I should have opened up like a much more you know you never know I
think what that meant though is I didn’t want to talk to anybody right
and so but as you mentioned this is trying to prove a point
welcome to the academics world where it’s not so much being right as proving
the other guy wrong mm-hmm so this is a book to say try motherfucker it really
is I and I told you this before we started like the writing wise like III
appreciate good word usage it’s not actually this sentence structure is not
something crazy that just makes it confusing yeah it is concise and
thorough to where it really is every word is written like challenge me yeah
he’s a few academics so so you guys know who that do is the head of city right
now yes yes oh by the way so is a residence
professor of physics and director of beyond center for fundamental concepts
in science at Arizona State University is for the University of London worker
15 yeah he’s the head of SETI he’s actually helped the oncology department
at he’s one of the most is one of the best academics out there is a member of
the of the Order of Australia has an asteroid named after him that’s pretty
cool that’s not the ones like you can buy
your wife a star though no no this is one into academics
she got a master in them I’ve told you that’s it that’s an owner you’re singing
after single I’ve told you the Dragon Ball Z tattoo then you have getting
enough shit honestly I’m kind of jealous of that he’s won many awards including
the Templeton Prize and far away price of the Royal Society basically he’s
master remember from snatch he’s your master so and so I was given that by
Travis you know from the artificial intelligence by his wife actually right
yeah she send up sit read this and I’m reading it and for me was extremely
interesting not so much for what is written of course I encourage you guys
have to read this like I’m this is harder to read even and what is life by
showing this is hard read but it’s a fascinating one
yeah – I think to prepare anyone – for reading it look at it like this what
there is is there’s there’s claims there’s a lot of good background and
then he goes into application and studies and things like that that’ll
happen late and so what end of every single claim so it’s there’s a lot but
what I do is I would go through and I would process the the claim because it
was interesting one and then and then and then I could kind of just when it
gets to five examples of it in application I don’t need to know every
specific measurement and so that’s how I kind of just grew I think it’s one of
those books honestly where you read one chapter of months mm-hmm and you take
the year to finish yeah because because your concepts are
amazing yeah but they all around the same idea Thoreau is definitely the word
is academics so he wants to establish that
and we’re going to talk about this there is the way science should move forward
and that is his application for that and so he’s extremely thorough especially
from the world of economics but also like look remember actually a girl in
what his life we’re gonna talk about Elizabeth what his life is almost
apologizing for offering a certain corner and he almost gets pissed at it
at the beginning but you can tell he’s like oh you fucker you pulled the back
door you backed off yeah you did and he doesn’t yeah and so I think that’s why
he’s so thorough because he was I go ahead attacked me on listen you
understand because I I can’t tell exactly where it’s coming from a fit
your life’s work at the very least and I believe he think he’s that important
like this is I think in his own way you can see the passion in this book by
saying bring it on and I think similar to the way that you think is that he has
came up with his ideas in his concept and then what he’s done is he also has
thought every Avenue through to its end yeah meaning every single thing that
comes up here is a alright potentially if this is a hole in my deal how do we
address it it’s bounded it into this pool and I might I can’t was left is a
choice yeah and so if you if I mean if you’re gonna come up with a book of that
magnitude yes you might as well have defended or who did what running real
difference yeah I think he went the distance I think that’s really the
intent of this book is that it was like shorting girl it’s not I didn’t have the
balls it’s like we don’t talk about this but at the time it was a very it would
have been very very hard for Shannon girl to do this is Korea most likely
would have been destroyed by it yeah so we didn’t go there and Polaris is like
yeah but now we know more and I can back it up and so here it is come at me yeah
and so I thought that was that was fascinating them so I you should see it
the reason at some point like I mean none of them in front of that in their
in the last in the podcast we released I think it was this Wednesday I’ll talk
about it Michael I was like within 50 pages I was like alright I’m good the
the reason I said that is because what I’m looking for now in my studies is
validation it’s not validation for me who’s in a very elegant way I know I’m
right and this will prove that it’s just like I’m looking for ways to explain to
all of you what I mean yeah and that’s what this is this is another way for me
to show look I’m not completely insane what I say actually makes sense and it
has been thought and proven by some people so my study right now is finding
those people so I can introduce their concept to you guys showing that what I
say is actually grounded in reality in science yeah so that’s what that book
was but within 50 pages I was like yeah I know
great I know I’ve read this I I know yeah except he’s an established person
especially in the academics world so you don’t know so my point is you don’t have
to believe me believe him yeah yeah he explains it covers their promise so if
you’re one of those science purists which is complete motion Reena have fun
reruns and then prove me wrong now yeah yeah prove me wrong prove him wrong
mm-hmm and then after we’ll go into why does this apply what does this apply to
fitness yes and I see in that book so what did it for me
on a personal level I guess is it allow me to narrow down strong faith because I
know exactly where I want to take it now is that that intent yeah that’s the
science of intent that’s what this is yeah yeah let’s get into that here yeah
this thing starts with like you just mentioned with Schrodinger’s what is
life meaning like it’s not it’s it’s chapter one it’s not even the prelude it
it is chapter one oi so what is prelude and chapter yeah you’re right says the
whole thing is the intro to Schrodinger yeah
then there is the thing right so I’ll go back to the Mia Cooper that I did in
that podcast where I say I thought shrilly girls book what is life which I
thought was one of the was I think I said it in a podcast well it was a
deepest idea I’ve ever read mm-hmm right and and I thought oh god how did that
not create a ripple and I was wrong it did yeah because that’s basically the
prelude and the first chapter where Paul Davis said the same it’s like that book
what is life change the course of physics yeah and so a change of course
of science and I believe all understanding of
life so we’re going back to quantum mechanics like I think ah this I quote
from honey can you can we pause for one second I forgot to get the code all
right there we go all right so it for once I was so coming back to it I was
actually unprepared I wanted to start a podcast with this code because it’s
important so I was saying like the wide what his life I thought didn’t make a
ripple but I believe it’s it didn’t more than that so the point is we have to
explain a little bit the context of all this so that’s why I wanted to read this
code because I believe to understand why what his life was so important we have
to explain where science was at the time when come to quantum mechanics arrived
right so this is the quote from Einstein he says so many people today and even
professional scientists seem to me like somebody who have seen thousands of
trees but I’ve never seen a forest I think a knowledge of the historic and
philosophical background gives that kind of independence from prejudices of his
generation from which most scientists are suffering this independence created
by philosophical insight is in my opinion the mark of distinction between
a male artisan or a specialist and a real seeker after truth right and so I
believe that in order to truly understand the impact of something right
whether it’s in science only well you have to understand the history you have
to study the history of the game and understand the philosophy called
implication of what happens basically the background of the things you win and
in that case we need to understand the background of science when Schroedinger
wrote it so Schrodinger wrote that in 1934 right and he’s the one who came up
with a wavefunction which is the single most successful theory we ever came up
with but collapse is basically to to know the position of electrons and to
calculate position of electron what does it matter because that’s the reason we
have computers iPhone all that stuff LCD screen it all
comes out of the wavefunction Schrodinger’s equation right but people
are so quantum mechanics came about you know around the 1920s
actually started way before that with Max Planck we started to a certain
questions by the way it comes really into its own in 1920 and it was
basically combination of that was 1920 I think to 25 shed where it’s called a
Copenhagen interpretation anyway where they all got into in Copenhagen at Niels
Bohr University they all got into a room you know figuratively speaking and they
started to rehash what it said because he introduced some ideas that brought
the entire world of physics so what did it Rock the world of physics because up
till basically Einstein we were at a position where from since Isaac Newton –
which is like late 17th century to Einstein we got to the point where we
thought we’d figure out physics yeah well lots of movements create a
deterministic universe where you know every single straight until it’s but
what a nice egg Newton basically did is allow us to remove religion out of
science because then there’s like there’s no intent the world is
deterministic if it happens you end up with B you see you can figure a there’s
no intent it is you know everything goes forward basically the world is
deterministic problem is it doesn’t include time anyway so so the
deterministic view of the universe basically is 17th century and so 18th
century forward right and so it science finally wins in a way right and the
combination of that was World War 2 if you look at so the religion especially
the Catholic Church has founded on science for a thousand years at that
time right it’s been the big brother is constantly boring science and actually
killing scientists and everything and eventually science starts winning and
you see that with Copernicus Galileo science starts winning in it and to
Isaac Newton will establish a deterministic universe which is a causes
beat down there’s no God good you go all the way to World War two that showed
that exploitation is the way forward and then religion is destroyed right so that
and that’s basically how science religion that creates his own set of
problems right yeah go ahead and well and I think that’s an interesting thing
to interject to is because what we talk about is so when when you know religion
had kind of been pushed out what that means I mean yes that is exactly what
had happened but what that really means is from the science standpoint is
anything that thought it needed any sort of intelligence intent way some sorta is
some sort of either consciousness or some sort of even guiding hand and
decision making from and you know it’s in the organiz question ISM yeah all
those things got to be mind too easy to dismiss so you just saw is it because
religion is a science of ignorance what do I mean by that if it Sir Isaac Newton
the greatest genius of mankind right so he figures out the moon around the earth
right then you figure out the earth elliptical nature around the Sun then he
starts to figure out the other planets and everything and at some point when he
came down to getting the entire solar system moving around the Sun he couldn’t
it didn’t have the math anymore to calculate that and he said God’s will
because actually I think the name was a devout Christian yeah go figure right
and so he said God’s will so what he meant by that it was like yeah at some
point gods take over a hundred years later or French astrophysicists figure
out the math that French astrophysicist was not smarter than I said Newton no
one else even since then I don’t know that I don’t know that we’ll have a
greater of genius than that guy you have to an equity calculus because
he needed it over the summer or twenty three like whatever like he’s what to
stochastic but anyway so as you say even him because of his very religious
background when he couldn’t figure out the math he said God’s will so he quit
it’s easier to say that than to say I could figure it out further I have no
doubt that if I had put two three five years more into it he would I figure out
the math yeah he just stopped because he had an answer which is God’s will that’s
why I say religion is the science of ignorance it gives you an answer that
allows you to not have to push forward and so very rightly so really
so it’s science has always put a stop to that saying we need to push forward but
he also created a religious bias where anytime you talk about intent it’s
something that cannot be seen what they want is a deterministic world well which
is very well because in itself is a religious way of thinking if you look at
Western science they are obsessed with one rule one law that will explain
everything one law that explains everything is one God about all of you
it’s the at sin the ascension of the religion the Christian Church or world
paganism where the Vikings the cells had a thousand spirits right and then here
comes notice that no there has to be one God over all it’s the same shit and like
we see now with quantum mechanics that there is not one law there is one loop
based on the state you’re in and that’s not me saying it’s called self reference
yeah it’s where literally they’re starting to understand that there is one
law that directs but that depends on the state that what you’re looking at is in
for example like whether you observe an electron or not changes it from an wave
to a particle go double slit experiment go Google so anyway so which is very
funny because it’s so far being religious in their way of thinking that
they end up creamy religious bias that created another bias that is religious
in nature and so now they incapable of looking at
intent it’s either everything is called deterministic and everything or you know
or basically we go the other way so that’s the background and then he’ll
come an Einstein who actually started by in a way proving that Isaac Newton was
wrong so so wrong not precise enough there’s never wrong in this it’s just
precise or not more precise or less precise way for
example Isaac Newton when he calculated the the you know the ellipse of mercury
around the Sun was slightly incorrect he didn’t quite figure it out he took
Einstein theory of relativity to make the math work completely so it’s written
stuff like that shows you but by the way we still use the laws of movement the
number one law of that we have of the universe is still the second law of
thermodynamics entropy always increases so it’s not to say Isaac Newton was
wrong you just understand many more precise
mm-hmm with the theory of relativity based on that they have to push things
forward and they earn up in quantum mechanics and quantum mechanics took a
baseball bat to determinism yeah he showed that there is no such thing as a
farm a causes B to a degree because add a very small which is what they mean by
quantum mechanics is a very small randomness plays probability is not
randomness or probabilities play a role and that basically took a baseball bat
to the needs of science because of what it means things like the double slit
experiment which we still own understand what’s the double slit experiment is you
have a let’s say a gun that shoots photons right and you have a part that
has two slits in it and then you have a shit in the back so if you push your
photons through both what you get you get basically two lines on this sheet
except you don’t you get five of them believe against some in the middle where
actually the photon cannot go through the meadow so others that work because
in that case the photon is a wave so we interact with each other the weird thing
is even if I shoot one photon at a time so one this way one that way I don’t
know which slit is going to go through that’s the point but is go one way or
the other is still interacts with itself so it’s like water it’s like oh wait it
doesn’t have to make sense it’s just know where it is and then so
the funny thing about this is so even one other time interacts with itself
which no one under somebody means but the funny part about this is if you
actually look at if you try to determine the which hole of photon went through by
putting something a measurement yeah right on on each slit then it’s only one
front of time then you end up with two lines on the sheet so whether you look
at it or not changes the experiment yeah that’s still fucking people’s mind is
this actual result not just what you’re seeing on your scene change is a result
yeah so if I look at it it’s a particle I go straight so this deterministic
almost if I don’t look at it then I get away if it’s exactly like people watch
Kayla left yes and she completely exactly well someone is watching or
nothing will change the result of where it’s exactly that so anyway so quantum
mechanics is a revolution because not just in what it allowed us to do been in
the way we look at the universe if fosters to go
we don’t understand yeah we thought we did and we were all sure of it and
actually we didn’t so here come here comes trotting girl right so the wave
function it calculates where the electron is going to end up the
probabilities all that stuff right and then from there in 1944 he writes a book
that is quite his life for is trying to explain that on the biological level the
laws of quantum physics has have to work as well so he’s touching something that
is forbidden which is mixing physics and biology people have ejected and guys
flustered or not there’s a lot in depth on that subject in this book – is that
crossover between physics and biology and I think it’s so me being outside of
that realm I’m looking at him like we all it all exists in the same fucking
universe here why in the world because we’re getting way too close to God
yeah so that’s that’s that’s where the whole religious stuff come in whenever
you mix physics in biology or you’re standing into land mine and many careers
have been ruined by that yeah it’s is hardly the first one by the way there’s
a guy named Oh Jonah he was a French perinatologist I believe
and he was also member of the church he got it communicated from talking about
this william rush try to go with your organ energy which is fucking insane
anyway but he got burned to the stake for that one you had a very very famous
italian mathematician he’s he died and then basically all his work disappeared
like in like you have to read this because it was a conspiracy thing i mean
love already so this is number of people i got bill to the stakes yeah by doing
that like you’re not allowed to go biology in physics like in a world of
academics it will bury your career because you’re getting way too close to
stuff you’re not there army like go back to the reduce bias you can be if you’re
fully really just an scientist you will have some explaining to do mmm-hmm right
it’s well which and again I understand complete by the way I am neither bashing
neither of those I’m an atheist but I’m not bashing religion by chance it’s just
like usually religion and science don’t go
honey now that’s an interesting thing actually it’s just to talk about for you
is I mean you don’t believe in God generally speaking and you pretty well
you talk about pretty openly but what is interesting here is in this case and in
these cases here you still very specifically are defending the idea with
which of intent intent and a guiding purpose beyond just cause and effect
that every living thing has and like that is peace yeah and it’s obvious yeah
yeah the problem is people content in consciousness and I think I think though
it’s interesting hearing you say those things right because they are there it’s
like they’re adjacent in understanding but the execution is very different yes
and do I do I mean intent totally Yeah right
but again do I mean God not at all yeah do I mean a different interpretation of
the Bible not at all yeah I to me the Bible was created by men and that’s
as far as you go there is in that natural opinion because we are notes
right but in my opinion there is no consciousness higher consciousness out
there yeah now that doesn’t mean there is no leave that then though that I
still think there is a level of consciousness with which we have yeah
and then also a level of intent that life has that still seems to be like
it’s and there is some Larkin my theory but I think we just don’t understand
exactly okay so that’s why I get zero yeah did did alpha zero play better
chess than Earth yes but he has no consciousness
yeah but Eakins my pond of alpha is always very important because we’re
going back to stock fish right stock fish can beat any human very direct
through memorization you do it through calculating as a good computer does and
you can’t make mistakes but it doesn’t understand chess so there’s a different
it’s just it’s an idiot that bullies you into winning just really good at math
we’re really good at math and it bullies you alright so that is what computers
are so humans still understand chess better then stock fish but then here
comes alpha zero and that’s why I blew my mind here comes our Fazzio who
understands chess better than a human he created new ways of pulling position
we’ve been studying for 1500 years it understands chess
he had ideals genius ideas that none of us had not even like the great yeah they
go like Oh like guys are mind blown by the ideas that alpha0 brought forward
right and he didn’t do it through memorization could you memorize any game
is just the code got better so and that’s important part is alpha zero
understands chess but alphas you has no consciousness right he has no
intelligence in the human term but yet when it comes to chess he understood the
game so that’s why we in that sense and intent like the code gets better at
every time see there’s no quick way up consciousness to understand the concept
yeah and that was in that’s what I found
alpha zero mind blowing because it tells you like you can have intelligence and
not unconsciousness which was a I mean of course depending what you define as
yeah there was maybe a bit of a segue for a deviation from the blip and we go
back to but but but there was an interesting thing that I had seen two of
this and people worried that there’s like some sort of like terminator level
yeah it’s like no no there’s a big difference in intelligence it’s not
consciousness it’s very good so there’s different kind of intent like Skynet has
the intent to kill people but that’s a that’s an intent based on consciousness
yeah right well this seems to be a different level of intent for example
for life where it’s just to perpetuate itself but that intent of perpetuate
itself is not consciousness like Skynet deciding at some point randomly or not
to go like I’m gonna murder everybody yeah well near self-driving Tesla yes
cannot isn’t good at poker but he has a nice
yeah which is not hitting other cows so we think only say well you just follow
the code yes and there’s the problem is and that’s
what we’re going to talk about so let’s do yeah okay so let’s watch what he’s
like we’ll do it into two podcast because I want to explain this one
thoroughly because I believe is an important so so here comes funny girl
trying to get biology and quantum mechanics together and so it’s a very
very touchy subject so it goes into it extremely carefully right
we made a podcast about that and he goes into look
if I follow quantum mechanics this is what needs to be there on the quantum
mechanical level right for life to keep going and it talks about a code being
created that can be passed down from you know parents to to children and then
from daily expend but look like the body temperature it’s seven degrees in order
to to not be destroyed because of thermo dynamics law like entropy always
increases it would have to be a very very strong structure that basically
almost like a crystal type but with some adaptability to it so it’s an atypical
crystal form so it keeps going on and on and on it basically what he’s doing is
he’s describing DNA what I forgot at the time that’s what I explained it the
podcast is that at the time he wrote it 1924 there was no such thing as DNA he
had not been discovered yet and so the two guys that discovered DNA did it
based on that book based on what his life because they go like we have to
look for what is describing the function being served we have no idea what does
it but something knows some so basically what he did is he drew a roadmap to DNA
and he did it through a thought experiment it likely has to be that way
so we knew it was there before so just like the Higgs boson we knew he was
there before experimentation showed us the DNA showing of knew they had to
there was a need for the DNA therefore he had to be there and then by knowing
that then he directed people to look for it and find it where he should have been
yeah that’s what intelligence by the way also is under human intelligence is we
by logical means we can find stuff that are you know even that that you’re not
capable specifically to test yet so that was the importance of what is life and
introduce that idea of biology and physics can we figure out physics or
life in general through it’s basically a crossroad so we have biology and physics
that allow us to move forward toward what is life but that wasn’t enough
right because the book basically what is life introduces the idea of there is
something opposite to entropy entropy the second law of thermodynamics it’s
the amount of disorder of a system no life hasn’t choppy increasing always
increases soon and in no life systems goes from order to disorder and then
here it comes and he says yes but life goes the other way life seems to be
working to world fighting entropy so and then that’s what Shawna girl refills at
negative entropy it’s like I don’t want to say life force because that’s
vitalism that’s exactly what he was trying to get away from but it’s like
life has his own thing it tries to create to fight and choking and he lives
it at that and then that’s why I was fascinated by alfredston because Cal
Kristin took it back in the 2000 plus and him instead of going from quantum
mechanics he when I read from probability mathematics and say look
this is what his life does it tries to fight entropy and is as his own way of
doing it that’s a prediction model though the podcast that we did right and
then here comes this book that goes even a step further than that what’s very
interesting in this book is he never talks about Cal Kristin that is
interesting they both from the University of London
and there’s really only a conspiracy on that one come on there’s gotta be does
he not know about each other I found that extremely hard to believe
it has to know my usual I if I had to just guess yeah and this is totally
students the way across peers it’s two really brilliant people at the tops of
their field and I don’t know that maybe there was no it’s yes
oh come on it has to be that right right I mean they both from University of
London they both Brits in the doc both top of your field one was from physics
and from probability mathematics and he never he says stuff where I was like
that there are some way into free stuff yeah and he never goes there never and
less fucking with his little better way the the other thing would be may be that
he mentions it in the thing it just knows that it’ll give Carl first in his
space to speak on Carl first and stuff because that’s what he is and he does
maybe maybe because he’s more thorough that’s that thing how could he not even
mention the name I don’t know yeah there’s no way science is fragmented to
the point where there’s nobody out Pfister
certainly not yeah he’s not possible conspiracy prosper it was like what is
he getting to so I started to go like this going like he’s got a topic right
well I think if they were in disagreement concerning lolly
yeah I would get it but I don’t you it they totally agree on the same stuff
there’s something there yeah maybe there’s a place where you don’t want to
have to defend somebody else’s work while you’re
defending your own but you this time didn’t mention his name that’s yeah
that’s kind of wheel they both from the University of London
anyway right so so Kalfas and grads need to work it out yeah exactly I need to
know what happened that’s all right because that that’s my yeah TMZ mine
right there anyway so and then this book goes one step
further than then Cal Christian so we go quantum mechanics biology and is
introducing computer science-y because again we’re going at entropy right and
what is the opposite of entropy and it basically has the whole book is a is to
say that what is the opposite of entropy is information no that is what because
information allows you to minimize surprises which is a work of Galveston
yeah the more information you have the less surprises the less surprises the
less entropy so we’re saying basically information
and that doesn’t mean today’s forecast it means bits of information data
standpoint form a quantum mechanical level yeah and I think it’s about about
certainty right if you want do you understand what I mean by information
you have to go into rid black hole war no my learning on Siskin okay the black
hole wall I don’t that’s the first book I put hard liquor for that did I fuck up
I do not know what that book it’s the first book I put on the strong book club book club learning Siskin you might have
put the word is a hologram you might have put that okay well those are
concepts I’m pretty well versed in okay then well is a hologram yeah that comes
okay so you don’t like Leonel Sisk improved Stephan Hawking wrong I don’t
know oh man we want we went over kind of in depth on the especially where the the
surface information I am okay so let’s go about this
listen I thought this is a podcast maybe fresh always good love to educating
Julian puts a book in the book club yeah two and a half years ago probably like a
lot of them like running two businesses in have a deja was like you didn’t
realize do it anyway so this is going to be a six-foot casket
I know now so there’s a there’s a guy in San Francisco very rich who had a hobby
which was physics been on the hood and he has in his house the Attic he got the
best minds in physics talking for an evening once in a while okay so I mean I
would have loved to be a fly on that one but anyway and then one day
here comes Stephan Hawking who introduces an idea in so entropy always
increases that what does that mean that means that information so bits of what
makes the universe right can never be destroyed information keeps on going is
never destroyed I mean like alright so Stefan King is at that time I’d come up
already with what is gone Hawkins radiation which is that a black hole
creates radiation so that over time a black hole diminishes in size because it
emits radiation so we suppose everywhere yeah exactly
dissipation of the black hole is a correct information follows into the
black hole right black hole evaporates where’s information it’s gone right so
but information is gone that basically violates the second law of
thermodynamics so we say there’s a way that the second law of thermodynamics is
incorrect that is people understand what that met at the time but this is not the
root of a lot in here to do with it’s it’s a rule of not even physics of
science this yeah it talks about it like in physics you can violate or bend any
law but that one mm-hm that is the one where if what you
say violates that what you say is wrong don’t care what your proof is that is
that is what you’re noticing call that the minus one law because it’s it’s not
the second law the first law then it becomes a zero line as a – fields
because it comes that is one thing you can’t fuck with is entropy always
increases so little sis can intuitively says but that’s not possible
so what is and from there basically developed an entire idea that the world
is a hologram so what does that mean in the case of a black hole that means that
because this – just like the slit experiment right
this to reality to a black hole first of all
from you outside of a black hole you have to understand that someone that
goes into a black hole you will never see that person get to the black hole
get to the horizon because as he gets closer to the horizon
time slows down to a freeze so that means if you’re on the outside you will
never see anybody get into a black hole but to the person crossing the black
hole time goes as normal does it make sense don’t worry
welcome to quantum mechanics and so this using the person and then this is a
person itself I’m back to a little bit the state of the electron so same idea
right okay so but once the person goes into the black hole where is that
information so what we discovered is that when the person goes into the black
hole that person is still alive but for us basically that information would be
splattered all over the black hole so the information would be everywhere
because for us the person in a way ceases to exist not for the person
itself it keeps going into the black hole until he gets spiked spaghettified
yeah but for us the information would be all over the black hole know that he can
reach the black hole Noddy if you can’t even reach the horizon for us anyway
that’s it so polymers always but so the idea where then we started to see and I
was in a very interesting idea is like if you take a ball right this the
everything that we need to know about the ball the information of the ball you
would expect would be like this the volume of the ball the volume of the
ball and actually know the information is contained on the surface of the ball
whatever is inside whatever the information about what is inside is
contained on the outside of the balloon and so that introduced like the idea of
the world is a hologram yet the dog needs attention so that was and that’s
the black hole war book and everything well I find very interesting is I found
it sir I wonder not I fun but I wonder if there’s a parallel between that and
you know tell the couch first on with a cell mm-hm you have interaction from the
outside it’s for an inside of the cell to the outside inside and all the
interaction happens on the membrane of the cell in the in the Beijing blanket
kind of way that is that the same thing as the blood
sounds really exactly so I’d be curious to know if the concepts are related that
is so interesting right now one of the things that just hangs in my head we
talked about this if from an information standpoint is and this is a thing you
described she was along with thermodynamics is that that energy
cannot or that information cannot be destroyed no right that’s the point and
that was the thing that I remember having come across was you know energy
yes can’t be created yeah change can be changed like never and information yeah
and once once information was kind of lumped into that same thing and I
started thinking about just all of the all of those concepts using information
and data and how that worse it becomes very interesting and seeing how life can
transfer from right one to another and how the amount of information that gets
passed but you’re right that starts to sound like a some sort of strange you’re
gonna need to in almost religion or intent or so that’s why we have to now
so it’s that I believe so it goes into that by saying like there is a new field
of science now that we don’t have a name for that has quantum mechanics biology
and computer science mixing what computer science because this is the
only science that we have that deal with information so to the port well you’re
not the skin two years ago started to talk about the progress in quantum
mechanics being made because of computer science yeah he had to turn to the
computer geeks in order to go to about information because they’re the only one
who think about that when some computer science is actually evolving quantum
mechanics and in that sense biology because that the only one again dealing
with the concept of information this is a new frontier is understanding
information information it gets very tricky we’re going to go over that
because you run into intent real fast yes right and that’s where I get very
touchy so funny girl did not want to go into that and that’s where Paul Davis
goes into all areas you can tell is almost pissed at the fact that joining
up didn’t go there and it was like fuck it I’ll do it yeah and so that’s what
this is a book about the demonium is a book about information right that and
how does all that stuff creates and so that’s so you can see should we jump
into the I want to do the demon in the interact wait because that explains
intent so I can kind of go through so generally the way this works is it’s an
explanation of the way the law of thermodynamics works right but I thought
one of the things is basically so as a former heating and air conditioning guy
I understand these concepts pretty well exactly
so anyway we can eke so exactly so so but what happens is basically anything
that’s warm is going to basically migrate towards knees are cold those
faster moving so when you talk about developing a movement system very often
you can do any number of these things but that movement of air or water as
long as you have a temperature difference and they’re separate creates
its you can create many ways you can move a wheel that’s under steam engine
yep we can do it very hot here like I’ve seen people it’s the same principle you
can make your own little solar wall outside where you can heat a spot where
it’s just exactly don’t you let the hot come in it’s like and so when the heat
comes from that comes on entropy exactly entropy is measured in heat so as you
increase entropy gets hotter so one of the talks about this was if everything
was kept at the exact same temperature every molecule is the exact same
temperature still for some reason some will move slightly faster than us yes
and so Maxwell came up actually did the not a formula but the thought experiment
basically there’s nobody did the actual it’s not a theorem because it’s not math
anyway I’m blanking about the name but he basically figured that out yeah so
what this what this is though is let’s if you were to simply sort everything’s
the same temperature yeah if you were to simply sort the faster-moving from the
smaller moving of part now you have added and adding nothing else but that’s
that the intent of sorting that that’s it you have now created the space with
which you now can create by essentially free movement exactly so we’re gonna go
exactly what has a huge violin equal exactly of there all right so that’s why
we call Max Maxwell demon so Maxwell calculated exactly so anything that is
at certain temperature again you have particles so how do you make it make how
do you make the move faster the particle moves I still
write but some will move faster than others always there’s a differential
right so we calculated the law right to understand the differential between each
particle so his idea was let’s imagine I have a demon which means a particle is
same size as all in molecules except it has intent job is to sort its two sorts
that means he can see which one moves faster slower and here’s a wall and in
the world is a slit and anytime he gets you see something movies faster it’s
gonna open the slit and put it on the right anything that is slower than the
one that that one on the right is going to put on the left so he’s going to
solve them out and put them into two different parts and by doing that that
means everything on the right will be moving faster than everything on the
left that means there everything on the right will be one well everything on the
Left will be colder and when I read this what I looked at it is I just look at
you have a fixed I wouldn’t even call a system because there is no system
there’s nothing happening at that moment yeah and all you have done is applied
intent basically yeah yeah some sort of conscious sorting and it that’s such a
basic well I like it because it’s a very basic binary example exactly this
whatever this thing is they call it the demon and then work with just whatever
little sorting saying it is all it has to know is faster slower but yeah and
and and but because of that you have only added whatever power intent has
right because you have reversed the second law of thermodynamics yeah
because you went from something that was stable because the disorder or got
spread out because he increases to making it creating order because now you
have cold and hot yeah right and so intent you have reverse the second law
of thermodynamics which is not possible yeah and and an interesting thing so
they go through that’s the most basic I would say explanation of it that they
give and of course the the follow-up does well show me the team it’s not a
real thing it’s like well we guess that it’s a thought experiment but then he
goes through I would say about six or seven other types of physical constructs
that could be made to do it where that makes the the effort required to sort
you’re much easier much more effective okay and all of a sudden it becomes a
thing where it’s like so if we just we only have the intellect part exactly
gets to moment that’s what it shows where you realize that that’s what light
does so count Freeston right free energy in the brain that’s the the paper I
wrote in 2012 ya know – wait what about between two two thousand and two
thousand and whatever I was he wrote yourself free energy in the brain where
I was explaining is that that’s exactly what life does life fights free energy
fights entropy twice to reverse it mm-hmm so the science of information
basically got to the same phone Cal Kristin got you from two different
branch one delete from probability mathematics the other one from pure
physics to say that intent allows you to fight entropy and so that was it’s a
massive massive moment right well it sounds to me like especially when you
define what entropy is is is now I think that that that statement extrapolator
pound is intent is essentially what is one of the main shaping tools of life if
not the main sheet into above like so again the idea of Alice was what is life
we still don’t understand what is life the closest we’re getting to explain
what life is is to the cowfish turn work like that’s because people understand
like what is life like how does it happen or stuff like a it’s not nearly
that simple yeah and without that science having Ted that
sense of information you run into constant problem because most people
think well it’s it’s it’s all DNA you know learn all chemical stuff and temper
his consciousness okay we went to it yeah where it’s all chemical and stuff
you know like we talked about this many times about the fitness well everybody
wants nutrition obvious thing to be just a chemical reaction everything is DNA
and stuff like that right and that’s where that wind got into it also it’s
like you have a set of DNA right and then you have random mutation and then
the survival of the fittest happen and then that’s how basically evolution
works what intent is showing you is like that’s not entirely true right like so
the problem is red doesn’t doesn’t explain the pace their
problem is random yeah it’s not random okay so we’re gonna go into a list but
so let me back up the thing that I see is my understanding we talked about this
before maybe even on the podcast was growing up my understanding of all of
that stuff was that like just sexual selection survival of the fittest
exactly but the pace I could never it doesn’t work like
justify right so there’s a guy never made sense he’s a guy who talked about
this at the same time as Darwin and his name was lemak he was a French
geneticist I guess basically at Darwin with evolutionary biologist and he says
look it’s not just survival of the fittest there has to be a rival of the
fittest well nature seems to come up with idea that are really really good
really really fast so the problem with Rendell and I’ll explain what is it by
the way can be calculated you can calculate random its probability
mathematics we’ve done it if we calculate the probability of natural
success and what we see we realize that natural is the luckiest thing that has
ever existed by a mile yeah it’s just it doesn’t work like that very good example
is the one you send me stuff about remember that bird the bird like a guy
white top 300 years ago so he lives on an island the island gets flooded that
is wrong zero zero left right and we know because of people taking images at
the drawing edges at the time and then the bones in rostov right three years
later we see the same verb popping up again yeah right if I believe this same
symmetry like four separate times I believe three I think it’s three or four
where it had been gone they arrived eradicated arrived eradicated right and
I think it’s like a third appearance if you look at evolution being random
mutation to get back to that it is feasible certainly feasible but the
chances of it happening twice in a row like that or three times we can
calculate that ax solo yeah that at some point you have to go so here the problem
that means that nature have found a way to accelerate the process
if found a way to get lucky in manipulates the thing in order to know
that this didn’t work but this world right so that basically nature keeps
track to get his chances at sex is better that requires intent and
that’s whether Camilla station gets wet I think it also requires that carryover
of information exactly because what we have acted because well what gets us
from from this bird that at some point was the most logical next step for this
system right right was like okay this is this is where we are if you’re gonna get
to the point and that’s gone now that bird still came into existence because
it was built upon all of the information exactly of everything before it be a
epigenetics via experiencing its environment being all of these things
it’s brought in and somehow that still has to be passed
now just because all those animals are gone that information cycle exists in
the world exactly in every plant in that island every other animal in that island
everything like all that still exists so mr. Polat is that choice enough right so
that means that there’s a passing of information these are tracking with a
purpose do you like their exact little time so again and that’s the problem
this is when people say god yeah they’ll use it as a way to batch science to say
God exists no what we’re saying is that nature life as a tracking mechanism and
can pass on that information so people say well that’s what DNA does but
remember that die broke that wiped out so the DNA is wiped out as well but yet
nature kept track so that’s what they said that’s not possible because that
means God but that’s okay so first of all no it does not mean God because when
people say God the implied consciousness mm-hmm that’s what you mean by God means
this consciousness out there I need that says I want this yeah that’s not what
we’re saying what we’re saying is that nature what we’re saying but the book
basically that science is getting us is saying life as a way to keep track what
does that mean so in it it talks about a fascinating experiment that I read about
and then I will explain everything you need to know
it’s the flatworm the flatworm is the animal that we think developed the first
nervous system out there right we’re talking six hundred million years ago
right anyway so there’s a head right with two eyes and then there’s a tail
not the prettiest animal you’ll ever see no it’s way from the back then you cut
it in half right and you grow where the tail was it was a tail and then on this
where the second part is he goes ahead so that was the stuff he’s had one
organism – exactly and then is to – twice the same organism so DNA is passed
on it’s exactly twice the same organism and you go how does he know where to
grow a head and a tail well that’s fine as DNA okay but how
does it even work so that’s where epigenetics comes in right and they go
like well look and they’ve saw that what’s very interesting is in order to
before we go I think because it’s easy to say well obviously it knows to grow a
tail how cuz that piece has a head it’s like well back up yeah how did the head
isn’t telling it to do any of these things I’d say every single cell is
replicating and growing yeah out into the thing so how does this one know to
make it to become an eye at some point you know it doesn’t make it tail exactly
or in order do the complete opposite so it seems because it’s not as simple
right like people don’t understand the the finesse the the week the finish the
the greatness of the requirement you know they hope to make a tell another
head yeah it’s not that fucking people think it’s simple because they don’t
they went through biology in sixth grade and I think slept through the class but
it’s actually requires so much to be able to figure out if it’s a tail or
head yeah because that’s an option you got to remember most of these animals
that you see that they lose a tail they just grow that tail back that pail
doesn’t become a new fucking thing yeah Hale goes away exactly we creates two
different but again how does you know if it’s a head or tail to grow its that
requires a lot more just cuz you’ve seen it happen all the time doesn’t make it
doesn’t make it doesn’t mean it’s simple it’s common it’s not normal yeah all
right anyway so what they figured basically through epigenetics that’s how
basically knows from the head for tell it’s in this voltage is the electric
field of the organism that tells you if it’s a head or tail it’s not exactly
electric field its voltage differential yeah I’m gonna set a trick field because
otherwise I don’t want to say voltage differential every time is to help ya
technique list on electric field but fuck off so and through the modification
of the electric field it knows if it’s hotel or a had to grow how do we know
that simple we’re going to put what had few on it which fuck’s up with
and that war is gonna grow two heads right because we fucked with the way it
process information and so we didn’t fuck with the DNA we fuck with the RNA
yeah the expression of the DNA so maybe we have yeah RNA is just that’s part
that’s what epigenetics is focusing on it’s basically expression of the DNA I
can’t go into it’s gotta be between multiple episodes do you want a little
more with the fucking book yeah so by fucking with the RNA it basically
makes the warm creates two heads here comes interesting part now we wipe out
the world from all work add fuel and everything we cut it in half you can it
in half you would get head tail head tail since the DNA is being transferred
and except that’s not what you get what you get is two heads two heads so we
pass down the information to him they messed up the electric field if you will
the material created a head a head tail to mess up with the RNA yep correct to
create head head yeah right we take that head head right but now basically
genetically speaking it’s the same as the early one so normally if we had a
DNA is identical it’s actually the same creature or the first one because that’s
how the flatworm works right so it’s the same early so if it’s the same as the
first one you cut it into it you get to with head and tail yeah except you don’t
get that you get two heads the information was passed on mm-hmm not the
DNA the RNA was passed on the information was passed on how we have no
fucking clue but it seems that basic mechanism it is at the is the mechanism
of learning that life has that it can create evolution at such a high rate of
success it keeps track it keeps passing on information on what he knows work
messes what it does so and that was the point that was what the poem Islamic was
trying to make is there is also rival of the fittest
Nature has a success rate that is far too high so that’s not to say that what
is amusing truth the idea of Darwinism is you get life you get mutation yeah
right you get a random mutation and then the the survival of the fittest happens
I think and I think those overarching concepts it’s all college food there are
men it’s not to say is is no survival of the fittest that’s not
the point the only thing is when he says random yeah random mutation that’s the
part is it doesn’t seem random seems to is not the character random laughs in
the end exactly so say well for example look at this we
could go down the other route where well then the randomness is the whatever but
we can go I can explain that that’s not in the book but that for example he’s
talking to Travis he was telling me like four they try to get an AI to mimic the
way humans were walk yeah right and so they got the good old fashioned which is
get better at incrementally like that but and they get an AI that can’t work
for shit like he works like in a real way that is not even close to humans but
then he created something that is called an algorithm that is called normal T
search and the point of the novelty search is the AI creates an algorithm
that forces the AI to try something new every time that has not been tried
before and out of that AI it Paul realized the result of the other and got
actually closer to human walk and I think it’s important to when you said
that tried something new so that’s that’s not a lot of people would
interpret that initially is no random looks like no no no exactly fact is like
I made two I was like so it’s a randomizer I was like no that’s exactly
what it’s not yeah because it’s for sure is not something that is already yes it
is not wind up because if you do random and you flip a coin ten times
you could get ten times zero yeah and even if they extremely small but you go
if you’ve got nine heads in a row you go to flip the tenth your odds of getting
heads on that tenth time are just the same as they were the first time to
accept do the chances of getting ten times in a row I assume if you make sure
you’re low but the chances are the same every time right so that’s you have to
understand probability the laws of but it’s really interesting because that
isn’t random that is actually this long deliberate process of deductive
reasoning track that means something keeps track yeah everything everything
is exactly and that’s what all this goes into it is like nature keeps track how
no fucking clue yeah that’s how the warm stuff tells you though is something is
being passed on the RNA that’s what we talk about John DNA seems that there’s
an activation of the RA through anyway but the point is that it’s not just
survival of the fittest arrival of the fittest seems to be something
in life information is passed on we’re going back to Schrodinger we’re going
back to count freestone that says but you know free energy of the brain the
Pranab life is too many minimize missed surprises why so the point of life is to
minimize surprises means is to gain information is to keep track of
information no and here goes the problem of that that requires intent that’s the
thing about DNA DNA is a code that passes on ok but a code is written for a
goal yeah always always okay so that requires intent there’s no DNA rocks no
because he has no intent but life to pass on it DNA is a code all right who
started the fucking code there has to start somewhere
all right so to start a code you need to have a goal to have a goal you need to
have intent life has intent not necessarily consciousness Yeah right so
a cell in amoeba there’s no other consciousness but it has in temperature
therefore it’s got a purpose he has a purpose which is replicates itself yeah
and that’s the part where everybody is so uncomfortable right because you’re
going to well god and I think that’s the biggest problem we have is for example
in the fitness industry like all the guys it’s either Hardware DNA that’s
what the body does and then this human consciousness and the and the choices
people make in their everyday life that impacts and that’s the two ways we look
at it and it’s in this third thing that is exactly the gap between the two which
is intent life intent not my intent Isis know the height of strong faith or your
intent has consciousness we’re not talking about that there’s an intent of
life so you have the basic chemistry set and you have intent of life and then you
have intent of consciousness and those are three different things the problem
is that second one we’re not looking into yeah and that’s where all my work
on the states of the nervous system comes in that’s it’s that gap between
the two yeah right is that intense and then there’s a number of things like
that that are fascinating okay we can get into the casual stuff that I’ve
found fascinating of that but that’s basically the point they’re making is
like there is an intent there that is not to be confused with the religious
aspect of consciousness yeah and I that’s such an important thing cuz then
from there you can establish then we’ll make a number of podcast in the weeks to
come basically about that the role of intent for example in whereas you mean
to gain you know to gain fat versus burning enough and I be synchro’s then
we can go at the nervous system the nervous system representing intent that
is different from a conscious decision which is a very important part because
most of what we look in the fitness industry is psychology refers to
conscious choice all about decision-maker decision-making but so
when we talk about in conscious we never know where we were referring to
that’s Freud is regarding conscious over there that might very well relate to
life intent like so the nervous system for example will have its own intent
that obeys the if you wanna call it the laws of life were like you know that
basically your system will always go to one that intent first and then you
conscious decision might not mix well but there’s gonna be another layer than
what your DNA does and what your conscious decision is there’s another
level that we have not looked at before yeah
and that that is and that’s where everything is is that so that’s why that
book is fascinating because it keeps going exactly on the there’s a kid
getting slaughtered outside so if she I don’t know I see me with that I doubt
they can hear it they heard that man they heard that she’s that kid he’s
dying it’s gonna if I don’t get down there
yeah exactly man yeah have kids it’s so the key is that it’s like all the world
are abnormal neural stem is that it’s like guys its expression like your
energy system or everything and as supona was always trying to make he’s
like yeah yeah there is the DNA there is what we all agree this chemical
reactions the question is why are the chemical reactions taking place there is
something directing yeah those and it’s basically what when they call itself
reference is like every state has its own laws in physics not not even what I
say interest in the pure physics right so basically the laws depending on the
state you’re in refers to where I talk about all the time state versus action
in Alaska it seems that your body will react a certain way based on the intent
of the system and that’s where I believe in the other stem in all of that comes
in is that the nearest M represents the intent that your whole system as that is
not the same as your conscious choices we focused so much on the chemistry side
of things all the psychology is one or the other right and a psychologic was
become measure eight most guys are like a wave oh yeah exactly are you getting
focused so hard on the chemistry stuff and you miss out on me and that’s what
happens when people talk with the human body things like hormones and all those
other things it’s like all right but you need you you cannot just look at that
for what that is because that can you always have to pull though you looking
at most reason yeah you’re looking at non-life when you do that
you’re looking at water boiling yeah and saying that’s what life does except it’s
not yeah otherwise the flatworm cannot pass on information yeah right otherwise
evolution there’s no work the way work always randomness will not allow us to
yeah to be where we are like this anytime your think about how life is
created like I could get into better it doesn’t work like that so we are when
you’re stuck about the chemistry saying this this does that you are the
deterministic view of the universe you have Isaac Newton view of the universe
which works from non-life in life has an intent and she’s super protect itself
that’s a cowfish so that’s all I said and so if you if you do not integrate
that you will miss as to why the chemical reaction happens the way it
happens of course it happens but the problem is you won’t understand if you
understand the concept the the context of the why then you you you’ll end up
with maybe happens maybe it doesn’t which is what we see nutrition program
maybe works because you’re not integrating the intent that life has for
that system yeah but that’s always been my point is that the nervous system
precedes the energy system right like whether all you train in a pool is not
the same thing at training the ocean even though
chemically speaking the reaction should be the same but they are not because in
the ocean you’re in the state of fear for example right that changes your
being in a state of relaxation in the pool that will change your energy system
your because it will change your emotional system but not just emotions
Timmy the chemistry of your body will change because instead of your body
changed from being into the pool going into the ocean and the rules change it
state relay determines the rules yeah so the state will determine your
energy systems as well yeah look how you won’t we
it doesn’t change the fact that your system that’s what they are it changes
how you get into them and have fast they’re gonna evolve and what happens
within them some of the science of who we work on you know with my former job
is that one of the things that we like one of the most fundamental things is
the actual state of substance does dictate all of the scientific rules
about it exactly meaning you take any difference to have any different come
any different type of say a refrigerant or a new compound things like that can
absorb certain amounts of certain amounts of heat can displace certain
amounts of heat based upon solely whether it is liquid gas sacks and so so
so meaning this same substance under a high enough pressure to become a liquid
can then absorb so much heat yep or almost none if it’s in and then you like
then you then you as soon as you change the state all of a sudden then right it
can absorb so much more but then you have to then it’s going to want it as so
much it’s going to reach that saturation point it then becomes liquid again and
then you have to displace that in order then so it’s a it’s very interesting
exactly that so but every rule of the same substance will change actually
depending on on the state so what we’re saying is that life is the same life
does that like in all cases the state of nineveh stem will change the laws that
are in to play like if you ought to add the sympathetic side you can burn fat
pass sympathetic you will gain fat the chemistry doesn’t change its how the
chemistry when is the chemistry being applied yeah that’s what the state
portion show exactly that and that’s an extremely important part because
otherwise if we just look at the the chemistry set then you missing as to
when it’s gonna happen and so you can fuck it up very easily
because it’s not a matter what happens of course it matters what happens but
we’re studying it already go the question is when in what state does this
apply otherwise you can try to get to something and fuck it up every single
time because you’re missing the point that you need to be in a certain state
for that law to take over and if you didn’t even know that a state change was
a possibility and all of the things will cascade down after that then what
do you then the odds of you all the work Our job is to better the odds. That’s what the program is.. That’s what
the protocol is. We’re not saying we’re gonna change the way the chemistry is set, it’s not that. We’re here to better the odds. To give you a
better shot at making it work for you. Programmin, the protocol is to better the
odds.. To better the odds you have to understand intent. If you don’t you just
and again that’s not to say they’re wrong on the chemistry. They’re totally
right. The problem is, can you use it? Can you access it? And if you don’t
understand intent, the odds of success are much lesser. What I’m playing with is the odds, because I’m playing with intent. before we wrap up for today what I want
to wrap up with the cancer yes yes yep so before switch that when you talk
about the odds right I I think back to when we’re talking about just the DNA
right yeah the odds of that being successful in a short amount of time or
free slim right yeah it’s catching so when you talk about then adding intent
and purpose you have much greater rate of success in a less amount of time it
is that’s all about a preemie I need keeping track to write likes like nature
keeps track of successes so we can improve odds yeah that’s that by the way
that goes back to the basin blanket that’s exactly what comfort zone is
talking about it’s like life as a way of playing of winning the odds yeah of
keeping track it’s basically nature wants to play with
loaded dice you can loaded dice nature we get banner
of Vegas so fast if you look at the odds of winning yeah but that’s what the
system is is like how do I trick how do I play the odds better how do i how do i
play with loaded dice yeah and that’s what because if you are looking
scientifically of things that entropy is dice loaded in the other direction it
always know what yeah the nature is up against society half the odds that I
would say it’s inevitable remember random can be calculated and he was yeah
and life doesn’t obey it’s not random that we know because we can calculate
random yeah and it’s not random so let’s talk about random there is a very
interesting segment in here where they talk about cancer ha
fascinating very cool right I have very limited understanding of it but I’ve had
things explained to me in very simple ways right and I’m sure it’s never as
simple I’m sure there’s made okay but but cancer cells essentially can read
can is replication god water yeah and look at leukemia is – you know
the white the white problems just you know like your immune system yeah
getting completely out of whack yeah and so the white what is called the white
not Global’s the white cells you know like the one attack stuff yeah they
replicate to report where they attack everything yeah yeah that’s what
leukemia is yeah and and in a soda bomb out and then say like a you know
physical tumor the way they look it’s it’s and then you mister sighs that’s
the interesting part is you start somewhere
then you mister sighs somewhere and then replicates those cells and then that
cell so it’s basically a system of replication right yeah that goes haywire
yeah and I was always explained to me it was as a mutation
it was just essentially it was a mutation but the the way they approached
it in this book was very interesting maybe I’ll let you explain it right so
because otherwise I’m gonna miss the test yeah they basically had an idea was
that cancer in a way is a form of defense right start as a form of defense
that unfortunately kills the host why because as a form of defense is not
designed to be worked into the host so I’ll explain what they think cancer is
and then I’ll explain how they tested for so what they think is is that cancer
is an attack this way of defense what do I mean by that at abyss which means it’s
a lot like the phylogeny chicken Aki that we talked about right when I talked
about the states is the fluid – phylogeny chiaki when it comes to
nervous system is simple is that we have the most evolved part of the nervous
system that will handle problems using using the most evolved part in that case
like the eventual vegusto anyway so you start talking yeah problem you start
talking about it you try to socialize doesn’t work you go to an older form of
defense which is fight then to fly then to freeze freeze being the oldest which
is playing that we see all those form of defense that we have that’s what is
called phylogenetic is your work you went back to whenever one form of
Defense doesn’t good you go backwards backwards backwards backwards backwards
right tried to fly to freeze right he seems cancer family a thing is the same
thing is that it’s a as the body is incapable of dealing with something it
starts to activate older and all their genes and at the end he activates to all
those genes that we have and which is in that sense the oldest form of defense
that we have and the oldest form of defense that we have goes back to when
we were unicellular organism and its replication yeah right when your
unicellular organism have a form of immortality they replicate themselves
that when they stay library placate replicate replicate right and so in that
sense that’s the oldest form of defense that we have or mechanism that we have
is replication so thus a cancer is basically us going from a newest form of
defend that doesn’t work that works his way all the way down to or ultimate form
of fighting death which is replication right except our body is not designed
for that anymore and so that replication going a while
well at least killing us and I think also safe to assume too that this like
that replication is not concerned at that point with its effect on the
well-being of the whole becomes as it can because it’s created first as you
need Salerno which is I’m gonna defend myself exactly and so each cell you just
create I’ve got a problem I need a me solution and it’s replicate repetitious
that you seen society first you think about society when this shit gown gowns
down really bad everybody takes off screaming because then it’s it’s about
me so it seemed the cell do the same when they can’t fight as a group then
they’ll fight as individuals and as individual a cell as only one defense
which is replicated it’s just gotta get there so in that sense and then how do
they know that because it tested by testing which genetic testing based in a
sense of the look at the the cancer cell and which genes were being activated and
what they saw was it was a lot less of the newer gene being activated but much
more of the older ones yes right and actually there was almost a
you could draw a thing they even had a diagram you could even see in there yes
they were like okay as it goes when you get up to here it is the oldest cells
that are activated it’s part of the gene for the same time
sorry yeah the cell that is actually so it basically cancer develop just as an
embryo if you look at an embryo it dips up the liver and then the cell go over
there and then they go crazy in that they rub along and they go over them
they proper half so cell grow into specific places and from that place not
to develop a heart and on a level yeah right so that’s not DNA that’s actually
epigenetics each and so it seems they can see all goes the same thing it goes
here then he goes over there and duplicates everything here but it
doesn’t does doesn’t create a liver it creates more belonging yeah and that’s
what that’s what the growth is and then it goes there and then develop more of
the brain and so that’s why those cancerous cell basically work like an
embryo so the point we’re making is that cancer cannot be cured it can only be
not trigger mm-hmm right that the port is not to cure cancer because you can’t
because it’s a ultimate form of defense yeah so it cannot be cure what it can be
is basically not trigger mm-hmm so if we understand epigenetics that’s our best
way to go at a cancer because it can so again in that chance cannot be cure
consistenly disease it’s the older if is right it’s the oldest form of defense of
the mechanism and that cannot be told they’re just it is every cell fighting
for its own existence and it cannot be talking for its evolutionary existence
the preservation of all of the information that that cell has it has
been accumulated over the course of all of our genomes yet higher existence
matters so at least to it stop cancer that means you have to figure out the
problem is right now instead of reading it go back now that means that whatever
we have right now is not capable of facing the problem that’s what the true
issue is with cancer whatever is triggering it is a problem not cancer
so don’t fix cancer yeah fix whatever is triggering it right whatever aggression
to the cell is causing it to regress which is hard to because we want
solution it’s the problem but the solution is a hard one
why is being triggered in a fuel spill and so then you go into is it food is it
that that’s what the problem isn’t you have to understand epigenetics you have
to understand what triggers such an aggression to the cell that’s that it
has to work backwards and and it’s actually and it is important to say to
them they mentioned in here they they were able to go through and check right
then so they they they could determine actually which ones were because there
is still an aspect of there is a random mutation that can cause cancer
absolutely but again there so but it is it is when so they like to random the
random has been calculated it doesn’t seem to be so is there a mutation yes
yes right but as long as we have stuck with that random thing without
understanding intent we will never fully understand why things happen yeah you
have to introduce intent and again for that you have to you have to fight that
that religious bias at science and that’s what the quote from Einstein I
believe in order for us to move forward in science we’re gonna have to
understand where the bias comes from historically speaking and
philosophically speaking we have to study science see where it comes from
and the fight that he had with the especially of Catholic shelf let’s be
honest though that how what religion did to science so that we can move forward
we have to be able to go to our intent without falling into a religious talk
yeah and that’s that but one funny said to me
about cancer is that to me it’s exactly the same way the phylogeny chicken our
key of the states of the narrow stem work yeah we as you get as you cannot
find a solution for the problem in your current state you will regress that
atavistic lee speaking to a formulas that you know don’t you find a solution
so the key is not to stop the the freeze mode the keys manage to find the
solution in flow so that you don’t have to go to freeze but you can’t eradicate
freeze now playing dead is necessary so that would be irritating cancer it’s
like saying you let’s wipe out the freeze mode no the key is growing flow
figure out the problem in flow so you don’t have to go to freeze so how do you
do that well on the fitness level that’s what basically we started with a knows
no stuff is like get good at flow under pressure if you can go at from the fresh
air under pressure there is no need to go to
freeze anymore because you found a way to solve the problem in flow so the key
is always that is get better at flow don’t eradicate freeze yeah don’t go
there so it’s like telling depressed people
like remove all stressors no no get better at the stressors that’s what the
way forward is so what we want people to do is get better at flow so you don’t
have to go to freeze yeah that’s the way how you get out of depression and stuff
like that is find a way to solve problem in the state you’re in instead of having
to change your state to and sell that problem and I think this will be the
perfect segue into what we do with the next episode but for us to wrap up on
one of the things so this the the subject of cancer and how we had kind of
got to this is that you talked about this regression yeah right there’s
there’s just a regression of all of the layers to the point where at the very
base though the one thing that whatever organism we are from right had to be
that system had to be good at is survival and that is all actions I
always say was always yeah although the fittest is totally true whether we’re
talking that way nice totally right there that is the basic intent of life
is surviving and as we have evolved very much all these new layers at the nervous
system and everything on there where we have up here then is lots of thinking
and very little action yeah and so we’re doing things in this space here because
it’s the way it works and we can see just for us to be healthy yet we need to
start to spend more time back there where we’re doing a little less thinking
a little more action problem is the way the brain works right now is it’s
actually very like the higher brain function consume a lot of energy and
that you have to take away from something and that means you take it
away from action so that you can spend it into the higher brain for hours but
it was cool because as the like the cancer subject was coming up that that’s
hiding from how we would communicate just how maybe we should train general
Ian and all this stuff to you that’s how this fuckin cell works to if it is
repeatedly it is going to dial it all the way back down to the one most basic
thing that he knows to make fucking sure that I’m here
tomorrow yeah so how do we use the states for us right what is well so
that’s what we’re going to talk about on the next one is where is society heading
from an evolutionary perspective like on the state of the nervous system like the
flow but being in flow what does that mean that’s a higher brain function what
does that mean physically right because it means a lot more of expenditure of
energy therefore a lot less movement yeah and so okay but like right now
we’re not evolved physically for that so that means we get fat we get older
Poland I come for not being able to move so how do we how do we play the odds
better yeah that’s what we’re going to talk about on the next one is how to
play the odds of all this better until then Paul Davies the dimensional machine
you get on Amazon yeah I don’t know if you get to Abel I
couldn’t find the key book it seems to be only hard copy right now it is a
heavy ish book to me I won’t lie but there’s so many like you will grab you
what I found it’s going through I would I would just I would grab there would be
a I’d be going and going all of a sudden there’s a paragraph we’re like this is
just perfect yes exactly so like that’s it by the way
silver don’t stop blasting us on YouTube about what about this what about that
with the book yeah and then we can have a conversation but you don’t get to play
semantics with us pick one thing we said or maybe good by the way this is a
podcast we go non-stop for an hour or sometimes I use the wrong words or I
want to explain myself solely you know what before you start using that to
attack us on semantics with the book once you’ve read it and understood it
and obviously then you can start criticizing us yeah for sure those are
the rules right yeah well yeah I we both read it yeah right this is where I spent
this is where I spend my time is reading shit like this so you don’t get to come
listen for an hour while being on the phone and or while doing some shit and
then go you said that and attack on semantics there are rules to all this
and rule is you have to read it because you have to become a better human being
plus if you like it if you like the conversation you like the book if you
didn’t like the conversation the book could do a better job convincing you
than exactly and if you don’t I go via session all the book go fuck yourself go
to funnyordie.com or something I go this
so well I think that’s got us wrapped up for today it’s a long episode so I’ll be
it was really good I’ll be I’ll be brief on the stuff strong fit calm
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