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This original wsre presentation is made possible by viewers like you thank you Hello everyone i’m rebecca vincent leary and welcome to this edition of in-studio long before the golden age of television and Innovative Trailblazer was making waves in the realm of radio Dr. Clarence Morgan better known as a Hughes or schoolmaster of the air was a broadcasting pioneer and champion for civil Rights, he was a brainchild of many firsts that have made an impacting difference in our society His legacy is far-reaching And an interesting factoid is that he also has a distinct Florida connection now that we piqued your interest Stay with us. It’s all coming up, right? after this Welcome back everyone as we begin our journey this segment will focus on dr. Clarence Morgan’s early years flashbacks to meeting and marrying his lovely wife Ruth his Indiana State teaching college radio ventures and the overarching Necessity for expanded research on the Hoosier school master of the air. I’m happy to welcome. Dr. Stephen Perry professor and interim dean at Regent University He joins us via telephone from Virginia Beach, Virginia On set I have dr. Mary Meyers award-winning researcher and faculty member at Regent University including Dr. Thomas Morgan, son of dr. Clarence Morgan. It’s a pleasure to have all of you here Alright so me. All right. Dr. Perry as well Mary, let’s start with you because The research was burst take us to the beginning The research was birthed out of the necessity for a term paper. It’s as simple as that I needed a paper for dr. Perry’s historical-critical class. I could not come up with any ideas at all everyone he shot down and So I closed my computer put my head on my computer and started praying dear Lord Give me an idea. I just need an idea So, dr. Perry, let’s come to you because hey the ball is in your court, right? You know, I just I guess I’m really the mean guy here. That would not take any of her other ideas But I do remember when she said hey, I have this this friend a former professor who has personal papers that relate to his father who was this broadcaster from Indiana and and an educator and and I said Yes, that sounds good. Go with that So, dr. Perry, you’ve had a long-standing history in radio as I understand, right? Well, yes it certainly Worked in ray in my young years and then went on got a PhD and and have researched radio It’s been one of my areas of interest researching Radio and different aspects but a lot of it being history of radio. Alright, we’ll come back to you in just a moment. So Dr. Morgan Reading about your dad. I tell you what such a trailblazer in many respects. We’re going to start off before I expand my conversation with you some years ago you Interviewed your mom and dad so viewers. We’re going to find out now how dr Morgan maybe had that sparked interest in radio. Take a listen When did you first get interested in radio? Oh my gosh Tom I’ve been that way all my life because This is relatively unknown, but I grew up in a home where there was a telegraph instrument instead of a telephone All of the homes in Linnton, which was a coal mining community and Telegraph’s Before they had telephones so they could communicate with one another in case of disaster. So I knew the code and when this new thing called Wireless came along. I got terrifically interested in it and so as early as nineteen sixteen and seventeen I had instruments for receiving and sending Signal they’re all old spark oil them but I got my I really did my first work about 1917 and work came along and had to take everything down who destroyed it because they would not let any amateur work So I came back in 1900 1920 again in 1924. I renewed my I got my license at nine dhv Dachau Victor and from that on it was Dr Dark too, and I know that you want me to also call you daggers that Got passed there. Okay. All right, so you have some interesting items right here when you Dig into one and it is what we’re about to see here this weird-lookin device was a Radio receiver and it worked by sliding back and this was handmade by the way, my father made it out of an Oakes box He stole from his mother’s kitchen And he hand wound it and hand wrapped it and you just literally dialed it in You know by turning the knob here and sliding this back and forth and listening on headphones. Circa Early 1900s this is about 1918 1919 right? Phenomenal now there’s something else in that. Well that box of yours as well. Let me slide this over Yeah, if you’re talking radio receiving let’s go with a little one That’s a crystal set in here I’ll tilt it so the camera can see it there is a tiny raw crystal and what you did was you simply Move this around it was called a cat’s whisker and you moved it around until you could detect a radio Signal and then you would tighten this part down so that the cat’s whisker would stay there You’d hook your headphones on here, and then you would listen very simple Amazing back to you in just a moment. So and I know I call you Mary all the time. So let me start the procedure here purposeful research in the sensitivity there and expand on that this when I came up with the idea to Pursue this research. I called doc on the phone and Requested that I do a paper on his dad and he gave me permission And he said Karen and I are going away for two and a half weeks or so when we get back Feel free to interview me. Well, my paper was due the night before they returned home So I talked to him asked him a few questions that gave me quotes for the paper and Then I went to research him hung up. The phone went to research it. I Couldn’t find anything. I found the man’s obituary and It hit me then and there I’m dealing with a real person Absolutely, so when doc and his wife came back from vacation I sat down and talked to him And as I said, I would like to pursue this research, but I want you to know that I Understand this is your family. And if at anytime it gets to be too difficult for you. I will back off and In the course of research. I’ve done that several times over the past couple of years I’ve always offered him and out because I understand that but at the same time the research has proven that this is an overlooked pioneer and we know that for a fact Dr. Perry, let me come back to you because early radio Broadcasting in general and when dr. Myers my good friend Mary came to you with that dissertation Idea, how did you feel was your first? Well, I was thrilled that we had a student that was interested in doing a historical study on radio As a person who does that I just know that there are not that many of us who are still interested in radio a lot of people interested in early television Or you know a television of course much more impactful visually but But to have someone that was interested in looking at history of radio. I loved that idea. And of course, I knew that What she hasn’t told you yet is that dr. Myers did not actually think she would ever want to do a Historical dissertation really fact that she ended up going that direction but Was music to my ears. She has a lot of cheerleaders back to you When your dad received his first license, I know he’s told you a lot about that share some thoughts regarding That well I mean understand radio was kind of the Wild West I mean broadcasting was not a word that was even spoken much In the United States or anywhere else there were people like my dad and others who were interested in it And you heard dad was interested in it because of the coal mining connection So he just decided to learn what he could so he read what there was available on it There weren’t any radio societies or anything that you could talk to the groups of other people But what he found he shared and what they found they shared and soon They began and they all communicated with Morse code So when they would communicate back and forth they wouldn’t hey, have you tried this kind of wire? you know coppers are better wire than and Steel wire, you know that type of thing So it was literally nobody knew anything about it back then take us into the realm of the Great Depression. Oh Boy, well the Great Depression radio was when radio really shined of course by then the radio act of 27 had been passed which set aside frequencies because Everybody was broadcasting on whatever power on just a couple of frequencies that were set up by the Department of navigation Bureau of Commerce They were interested in radio because now when a ship went beyond the horizon They could actually communicate with it before when a ship went over the horizon If it never came back, you didn’t know what happened to it so when the 1930s came along you had the radio act of 27 was upgraded to the Communications Act of 34 which really got the chaotic nature of radio straightened out but along comes the Great Depression and People couldn’t afford newspapers. They couldn’t afford to go to the movies, but they could listen to the radio So this is where the term the Golden Age of Radio comes in, you know between the mid 30s and 1939 Because radio gave people something to do it informed them about the god-awful Situation that the country was in and very importantly it gave them Hope you had a president in Franklin Roosevelt. Who? realized the power of radio and he created his fireside chats and Every one of them began with my friends and you are my friends I would like to visit with you tonight and then he would he would talk about whatever it was he wanted to talk about he built a real the first real connection between an executive and American president and the people he was president on Remarkable now, let’s talk about the first radio course taught at Indiana State back in a day well about About 2 or 3 months before the Great Depression Indiana State University Known as Indiana State Teachers College at that time hired a young physics professor from Indiana University. It sounds confusing Doesn’t it his name? His name was JB Hirshman And he came on board and offered the first course in June of 1929 and then the first faculty Broadcast was August 9th of 1929 So Indiana State University is coming up on their 90th anniversary of continual radio broadcasts That’s amazing. And as I understand in 1936 is when Students began to call your father doc. That’s true He got his master’s from Indiana State in 1931 and dad originally wanted to be a high school principal So he actually got an EDD which is a doctor of Education but then he got called over to the president’s office at Indiana State and they said We think this radio business is going to amount to something and we as we as a you know as a Teachers College should utilize it in the best way possible to aid teachers and we want to use your expertise because there was a lot of expertise around even at that time in radio and We want you to do that for us. And that’s how the Hoosier school master of the air was born indeed Folks as we head to break we want to provide you with more information about dr Clarence Morgan the Hoosier school master of the air just log on to the website Clarence m-morgan dot-com don’t touch that dial. We’ll be right back Working as the Hoosier schoolmaster of the air dock Morgan and his students and associates fill the air with unique and imaginative programming through highly successful programs the story princes of the music box and the periodic news service were just part of the more than 9,000 program which will broadcast live on w bo w under doc Morgan’s personal supervision Beginning in 1937 over 530 episodes of the story printers were broadcast Here are the past and sound effects game from an early 1950s era of production originating from the then state-of-the-art air conditioned production to subtly on the IQ campus a production aired over a twenty eight year period The Peter Rabbit used service was dr. Unique way of weekly news and current events film accordion Hello everyone, you just saw a Hall of Fame video clip honoring the work of dr Clarence Morgan as you can see He was a trailblazer in many respects So I know my guests are eager to expand the journey delving in to the late 1930s and beyond I’d like to welcome back. Dr. Steven perry professor and interim dean at Regent University Joining us on the phone plus. We’re happy to continue the discussion with our onset guests. Dr Mary Meyers who serves on the faculty at Regent University and dr Thomas Morgan the son of this great radio pioneer. Dr. Morgan it must be quite Emotional for you to view clips like the one we just saw Well, actually it just brings back a lot of great memories. My father was a very quiet individual He wasn’t a big public guy and so on which is why he took the name the Hoosier school master of the air he didn’t want his name after every broadcast because at one time he was doing 15 broadcasts a week live from Indiana State and He thought that was just a little much so he from Edward Eggleston. –zz novel the Hoosier schoolmaster He decided he would be the Hoosiers schoolmaster of the air and there are many people who never knew who that actually was yes phenomenal research Dr. Perry, let’s talk a little bit about the meaning of recordings for listeners through your research radio well one of the interesting things is that when Dr. Morgan doc was starting his radio work recording of course was very Expensive and it wasn’t very high quality. It was there was wire Transcriptions or they would record to a record disc and to playback They didn’t have the kind of magnetic tape or or good quality recordings that they do now So a lot of early radio wasn’t even saved so the ability to record later on of course allows for us to time shifts the programs and It could be repeated. And so what somebody said on or sang on last week’s program could be rebroadcast Later on, and it just allows a lot of flexibility for the listener in terms of you know Being able to hear that thing that they missed Because before recording once it aired it was just gone it disappeared. There was no way to get it back. So It was important in a lot of ways and of course, we know that today as we have DVRs to record our TV so that we can go out to dinner and come back and watch that show we wanted to watch and it’s really a lot the same in terms of thinking about how radio It gradually that evolved in radio Absolutely. So marry the universal voice recorder, and I know we heard from dr Perry just a moment ago, but expand a little bit on that Well, it wasn’t just recording the programs For posterity. It was actually a learning tool Dr. Morgan used those recordings to teach his students what they were doing right what they were doing wrong You have something right and I see one beautiful princess box of story princess of the music Bom There was a music box in the radio studios at Indiana State University and It came to dr. Morgan the name of the program was a fairy princess of the music box It evolved into the story princess of the music box And it was one where it is one of the longest-running children’s programs in broadcast history So do we have someone right now in our era who was carried on that tradition? Well There are several story princesses that that are alive They were doing the story princess program up through 1969 One of those is Julie reader fairly She was the voice in 63 64 around the same time as dr. Morgan doc Donna was going to school under his father Now let’s talk about the Peter Rabbit news service The Peter Rabbit news service didn’t come along until after World War two. The story princess was the end of the 1930s so one of the things that we would like to highlight and we know that in the classroom that your dad impacted so many lives and From a PR standpoint, right? He was a great spokesperson for the college So we would like to share a clip right now. This is from an interview that you did with your dad and anat, he talks about the radio facilities at the college take a listen and I had a huge neon sign that I put above the door Every time we were on the air is that Indiana State Teachers College on the air so that every time the president opened his door he saw that and he said his extended I See how they said I was the best PR man they had because when he saw that he brought the guests in the cs broadcasting I Love his laugh. I Think you have inherited bad. Well, I would hope so but one never knows one never knows let’s talk about the National $8,000 to expand different courses over time Dr. Morgan’s work was so well known the US Office of Education gave him an eight thousand dollar grant to expand his radio work into adult extension courses and That was in the late 30s at the same time They built the first radio studio for the $600 that was mentioned in the clip. That is phenomenal We your dad World War one Okay, a lot of things happening during that era, but then we delve into World War Two doc. Why don’t you talk about what you’re done. Your dad was doing at that time Well, he was too old to serve. He was 38 when I was born. I was born six months before Pearl Harbor But dad had a skill in radio that was drastically needed because unlike in World War one All these ships all the airplanes and so on were radio equipped so dad taught Navy flyers Morse code and he taught radio techniques to those people and Speaking of which we actually have another clip regarding what he did During World War two viewers They called me in and asked if I could teach code and I said, well I yes I could Radio code because that’s what a ham operator has to know And so I ended up teaching a radio code to the naval aviation cadets we started at seven o’clock in the morning in the last class was at six o’clock that night and in that time I had taught my regular college class and six courses in radio code So I didn’t see you very much until the weekends and on Sunday afternoon and I went to the airport and thought this see AP Civil Air Patrol Radio code so they can fly beam. That’s what they’re learning. They’re going to fly the beam flight which required a knowledge of code And so all during the war I taught Both the beginning and advanced radio code to aviation cadets Phenomenal, dr. Perry back to you the significance the value of War programs in the realm of radio. Please. Talk about that here Across the United States a lot of the people who had worked in radio did get You know drafted into the military or they join the military or they joined the war effort in various ways but but stations also had to continue to be part of alerting the public the Letting people know what supplies were needed. And of course there was a lot of conservation of even foodstuffs oils things like that the tires that they would they would take and recycle and turn those into things that were part of the war effort and radio Would champion those drives they would you know put on programs that were about war bonds You know things that they would tell people You know not to do to reveal like locations of ships or troops or things like that, you know I mean a lot of that information was shared via radio and Was part of just getting the whole population Behind World War two ever. Thank you for that Tasha Perry your dad Saw the human race He didn’t see color doesn’t matter what shade of melanin a person possessed. So in that respect Robert Gill Talked about him for us, please. Well, I really didn’t know him. I just knew him through, you know, my father and Dad didn’t care. I mean Minar dinner table you never knew if there would be Asian if there would be african-american He even almost adopted a boy from Jordan who was over here and very very lonely if they were interested in radio He was interested in them So as an african-american male married during that era Robert Gill I know that a lot of people would say hey didn’t hear about many African-americans during that time actually being on radio. So that was a huge factor It was a huge factor and he was the first African American radio announcer in the state of Indiana. And dr Morgan trained him Much Much work. I noticed you have a pen on your lapel. What is it? Well, I have the honor of accepting that from my father and what would have been the hundredth year of his life in 2003? he was inducted into the Indiana broadcast pioneers Hall of Fame and Perfectly he was nominated by his number of his students particularly a Fella that I knew as a sportscaster when I was a teenager by the name of darl libel He came to me and he said I’m gonna nominate your dad because it’s just wrong that he’s not in the, Indiana Broadcast pioneers Hall of Fame and so it’s a little microphone Looks like an RCA BK 44 and on the top of it It says pioneer and I wear it very proudly in his memory. I love it. So Mary briefly the significance of Carol Atkinson her book Although Morgan tried to fly below the radar because it was a very humble man The work that he did was of such high quality that it appeared in national publications And that was one of them Carol Atkinson’s book broadcasting by colleges and universities Okay, hold that thought if you will folks as we had to break, dr Clarence Morgan was a think outside the box pioneer Here’s what a former student and colleague had to say about his impact on young radio listeners Typical jock Morgan pleasure – a member is telling a story about the very early days of broadcasting Children’s programming into the school. Some of the schools didn’t have electricity So on a given day say a Friday when the Peter Rabbit news service is broadcast the children would bring extension cord school and then they would put into a nearby farm house that had Electricity so they could listen to the broadcast We’re back and shifting gears. I know our phoning guests. Dr. Steven Perry has been enjoying the conversation So glad to have you Dr. Mary Myers is here as well Including dr Thomas Morgan the Hoosier school master of the Ayers Sun folks now our journey will focus on dr Morgan’s latter years leading into his retirement Thomas take us back to the time when your mom and dad were considering retirement and what that meant to you were there thoughts of maybe Following in your father’s footsteps like father like son No, that was a pure accident. That was if you’re asked first of all, I knew my father’s shoes were very large I never ever dreamed that I would fill them and It was just a series of very fortunate Circumstances that took me into education and and I had the pleasure working with my father Building WV is on the campus of Indiana State and that year really interested me in Teaching people about radio and in educational broadcasting because I was headed for commercial broadcasting I’d been on the air and and and that was why I was asked to come and work with him and actually building a radio station because as you’ve Talked about he went through woaw he didn’t go through his own station and the university got to a point in time where they wanted to change that and So that’s how he and I got to work together for one glorious year, but filling and filling in his shoes following in his footsteps Never dreamed I would do that, but I wound up doing it And he did he did it at Murray State in Kentucky he was the bluegrass schoolmaster of the air Love that well like my dad and I didn’t want my name after all the broadcast and So I literally built the radio TV program at Murray State Murray, Kentucky and built Wkms FM on that campus and because I had done that when they were building. What is today the University of Central, Florida? They called me and said hey, we’re building a university down here We’d like for you to build a radio TV department down here And while you’re at it, we like an FM station and a television station sort of connection So what do you have before us? We see something here on the set. A lot of people would think that’s a piece of junk That that’s a radio transmitting and receiving station and unlike the one I showed you earlier this one is very very crude Debt when dad and dad made it again using a Quaker Oats box. I think the Quaker Oats hadn’t been around He wouldn’t have gotten into radio But literally you changed the antenna by clipping on these different little hand Units and this was connected to a Christmas tree bulb When the when you connected on and the ball glowed the brightest then you knew you had the best radio signal coming in it had a single vacuum to vacuum tubes came along in nineteen seven and They brought the power to radio that radio lacked so dad can actually send and receive and this was his send received switch right here Seven hundred miles with this little tight was we stole his mother’s breadboard too that he built it on Hope he didn’t get in trouble for that Sure he did so Mary Let’s talk about the 11 room studio suite and all the other expansive things that happened Well on April 14 1950 NBC did a coast-to-coast broadcast dedicating two new buildings on the campus of Indiana State University They also dedicated the 11 room suite That Doc Morgan had helped design and had built in one of those buildings Amazing. Dr. Perry back to you Translations talk about some of the languages. We know Spanish. Of course. We speak English, but talk about that briefly. Will you? Well, just obviously the radio stations, I think this is what you’re kidding at the radio stations went a long way and so in especially at night and people would With these devices that Doc’s talking about they would try to pick up stations from far away And so certainly they would pick up stations that were from The the the X stations that were over the border into Mexico who would be trying to tune those in and People would have a badge of honor based on how many stations they could confirm having received on some of these early radio set Love it. No, let’s talk about Ruth’s journeys because we know hey Woman man, and she did a lot herself. So let’s talk about her accomplishments. Well, mom was mom could spot a comma splice at 50 yards she became So needless to say I was taught grammar from the day I was born But mom was a travel writer and a teacher of English at Indiana State for 19 years. She taught Actually on the same floor as my father in the same building and mom always made lunch And so they always had lunch together and one of their desk She was a graduate of Mount Holyoke summa cum laude Phi Beta Kappa, I don’t know what happened to me, but mom was very And she used her her training well Mary Florida, Atlantic University a lot of people We have a lot of bridge employment these days someone will retire from from one place and they’ll start working somewhere else. So Technically your mom and dad didn’t stop work No, they didn’t much to my surprise Because Dad was 66 and mom was 59 when they retired But they were at a party at Boca Raton They ran into the Dean of humanities at Florida Atlantic and he said I wish I had people like you in the classroom these days And my mother said are you offering us a job? And he said yeah They wound up teaching at Florida Atlantic University strictly for the fun of it They both loved it my father taught until I finally talked him out of the classroom because he his hearing was so bad I knew he was reading lips He couldn’t he couldn’t really hear his students, but they loved it that much They they taught as long as they possibly could eager to come to class We know that the Peter Rabbit News Service received recognition from CBS Would you like to talk about that Mary when this the Peter Rabbit news service came on the air in 1948 It was the only children’s program based on news that was ever produced CBS recognized that fact in the early 60s and put it in writing It was also translated into Spanish and for broadcast in Latin American countries So it really went a long way. It didn’t just Impact or influence the American children. It was children in other countries Dr. Perry hearing that. I know he brings back a lot of memories for you educational television workshop closed-circuit installation radios tape network ring any bells well, you know one of the things that was really cool in Indiana is When television was coming along and of course they were looking for there’s always well I shouldn’t say there has always been but in the Earlier days before we had so many channels available through cable TV there was a lot of push for hat reserving space for education and But there were unique ways to deliver that and in, Indiana They’re around where doc Morgan was working? They actually developed a an airplane service that during the day airplanes would fly and transmit Educational programming that schools or people in their homes could pick up and and you know students could receive programs via that broadcast and of course you know, we have PBS stations and and The public radio version of that national public radio that have always done Educational programming and shared tapes through a network where they they circulated recorded programming and so forth We appreciate that insight Mary women in radio and one in particular Wanda Ramey Wanda Ramey was one of doc Morgan’s students who went out west was hired by a radio station out in the san francisco area and became the first Women’s television reporter on the west coast. She was only the second in the nation Trailblazing people. I know that you have many stories of your own don’t you too many to me? Why don’t you share one because having seen all these great innovations from your mom and your dad I know That their work inspired you in so many ways well You know as dad’s son. It was just what he did At the time I didn’t think there was anything particularly unusual about it I grew up with the story princess of the music box I grew up with a Peter Rabbit news service and I grew up surrounded by Navy fliers You know during the war, so it was just I guess like a lot of children It was just what my father did but then later when I was myself building radio stations when I was myself developing Classes when I was myself trying to keep up with all the innovations that my father had had to keep up with Then I understood truly you know what a tremendous guy he was and how much work it was to do what he did and stay on top of it because radio was then like television and like the Internet today it was evolving and dad had to evolve with it or he couldn’t have done what he did and he knew that so he worked very very hard to Keep up with it even after he retired and and I was in the field He would sit down after Christmas dinner or whatever and he’d say now tell me what’s going on. He’s still 180s You know, he wanted he wanted to know, you know what the new innovations were because dad started with vacuum tubes and Went through the transistors and then went through the integrated circuits and then and I was working with chips And my father looked at me, and he said I feel like an idiot, but what’s a check? What is that the time? I got through he understood precisely what it was how it worked and was fascinated by it He loved all the innovation a sponge for knowledge. I like that. So marry WV is /w is you Well, both dogs could probably tell you about that better than I can but that is the FM station at Indiana State University it began life as WV is the call letters were changed to W is U and this year it is Celebrating its 55th anniversary on the air and both. Dr. Morgan’s built it So, dr. Perry hearing about doctors Morgan roofing Clarence Oh Morgan when you were reading Mary’s dissertation What thoughts came to your mind? I’m putting you on the spot here the depth of her research Well, obviously it is a great a great study of how we trained radio people through our colleges and and by having stations built at colleges and one of the interesting things I learned along the way I kind of thought I taught for a bit at Illinois State University and I kind of thought oh, well, you know we did something like that over there Well really it was doc Morgan at Indiana State training people who then went over to Illinois and at Illinois State developed a radio program and The interesting thing is that one of the students there when I was there. I taught a man by the name of rich Greene well Rich Greene is now the director of the radio station and programs at Indiana State University so There’s a lot of sharing and shared history that I had. No knowledge of before Mary’s dissertation You know, I just really didn’t know a lot about What? You know what the history of the educational side in the Midwest was? Most of what you read about in the history of radio so much of its based out of New York because that’s where the history was recorded and written down and so when we have people like Mary who go to the heartland of the country to the Midwest and They find history there that there wasn’t a corporate that was saving all this and and putting it in an archive It’s great because we’re expanding our knowledge about how radio worked in other places and you know, and of course with his Florida connections Eventually coming down to Florida with all that Thank you so much. Dr. Perry as we all know. Dr. Clarence Morgan has a rich history. That is quite inspirational Even after he retired he was still a man on the move Here’s another video clip from the Hoosier school master of the Ayers Hall of Fame He’ll be retired from Indiana State in 1969 and moved to Boca Raton doc never really retired from teaching It was the great benefit of additional generations of students both doc and Ruth continued to teach as adjuncts at Florida Atlantic University for 17 years the legacy of Doc Martin continues to this day Not only in the person of his son, Tom But also through the significant contributions of his former students and the positive impact that they’ve had in the communications industry today We’re glad to welcome back, dr Steven Perry who has been with us via telephone the entire time Now as our journey continues doctors Meyers and Morgan will apprise us of what is on the horizon Addressing that heartfelt question. Where do we go from here? So Mary I know Let’s chat. Okay There is a lot of room to go places with this research So far, it’s been two award-winning articles research articles conference presentations and This year we’re going to be going to Indiana State University who will be celebrating and recognizing Morgan’s legacy However, as doc was saying or as actually dr Perry was saying rich green who is handling their radio now, yes is still award-winning His students are winning awards every single year this year seven national awards They’re the number one college station in the country and that May have gone a long way to influencing. Dr. Deborah curtis’s Decision to celebrate Morgan’s legacy in their radio broadcasting this fall that is phenomenal And dr. Perry you touched on it briefly last segment, but let’s hear a little bit more about what’s green from your perspective Yeah, well rich is doing a great job there at Indiana State One of the things that is so important about campus radio organizations is they involve a lot of students and For those students a lot of times that it becomes kind of like their home away from home They they the two folks they do radio where there kind of like a second family and and today we don’t do the Peter Rabbit music treaty rapid news service or the The princess music box of the air, you know those storybook princess of the air actor and remember the name of it We don’t do those kind of shows It’s more about playing music and and some news and and maybe sports things like that But still it’s such an important and the person who’s the radio station sponsor becomes kind of the Surrogate parent. I think yes to fifty or sixty students You know, I mean most professors you’re in the classroom the students come in They they’re there for an hour or so And then they’re off to do their homework and you see them again in a couple days In a radio station the students go to class then they come to your radio station and they’re there for four hours, you know Satis and so so rich is you know, he just has a great heart. He’s he’s Doing a great work. There were the students at the radio station. I’m excited. How about you? So doc 2003 induction into the Hall of Fame I know you probably had some goosebumps Well, it was it was a bittersweet experience Because it was sweet to see dad recognized. But here I was many years later sitting at the table with many former broadcasters that I had been on the air with and many of the gentlemen who were in that room Had seen radio as they knew it You know radio was all built by families and even back then it’s all now corporate with rare rare rare Exception and it just broke their hearts to see the old The true radio, you know the kind of thing that dr Perry was talking about where you got together you put on a live radio drama You know specifically done by your local people for your local people that’s gone today, and we’ve lost a heck of a lot so it was a it was beautiful to to that’s to be a part of dad’s induction it was Beautiful to see the the men and occasionally there were a couple of women there with whom I had broadcast But it was tough because there were a lot of sadness in that radio as we knew it was gone. So Mary let’s transition to 2006 University of Central, Florida well in 2006 I was a master’s student and The gentleman across the table from me was my crisis communication professor Okay She spotted my lapel pin and asked me a question From that this whole mess was yeah. All right, right So we must always start somewhere doc we must so Regent University Mm-hmm. Let’s move on a few years forward historical-critical Um, yeah, I went to Regent University With the intention of doing a dissertation in crisis communication, that’s where I saw my future work that’s where I saw my love and Little did. I know my tables would be turned completely After I did the initial paper we discussed earlier on. Dr. Morgan. I decided to take it further and do a dissertation and Just fell in love with the story in the family and it’s a privilege and an honor to pursue this line of work Dr. Perry, I know that Mary is quite the humble one, but broadcast education association She’s made several trips hasn’t she? She does She’s been out there and and presented her research and And she not only presents her research, but she has made it Much more. I don’t know Just brought it to life. I guess a lot more than is normal including bringing in guests who were the people who were on this this radio show that she’s talking about the Storybook princess of the air. Yeah, and Yes, she’s won awards that that session where she brought Julie fairly one of the former Princesses to actually who totally still from memory could recite the opening lines to the program some fifteen hours. Later You know having her there people at the conference said that was one of the most memorable events of the whole conference So Mary as you put it And I and I laughed when you told this people were putting down pins and notepads and listening attentively Yes, they were She did the opening from her 1963 days and It involves the children sitting up straight putting their hands in their lap and their pens on your desk You want to hear it? Have you got time? Oh And even writing for that so I’ve heard it a lot hello boys and girls, are you ready to listen to my story That’s fine now sit up straight put your pencils on your desk fold your hands and I’ll tell you the story of That was the beginning Okay, and I did follow your instructions That conference did exactly what she said You saw fifty and sixty year old men sitting up straight and putting their hands in their laps Well dad to teach us the power of radio before you could direct the story princes You had to go out and sit in the back of a classroom while they were listening to the broadcast and He didn’t tell us what to watch for but when we saw those kids sit up straight and fold their hands and put then we realized the power of What we were doing that we had we would never have grasped any other way and it made you real Serious about every words. You said every sound effect. You used everything because we saw the the Cause and effect right there. I Love it. So Mary your journey. Let’s talk about your dissertation. It’s a publication. Hey a lot of hard work. Dr Perry right Yes, always dissertation sir labor for sure labor of love So Mary it doesn’t end there Right. Now there are two books that I’m working on doing proposals for there’s more academic articles There’s a lot more coming down on the hoosier schoolmaster of the air. You have not heard the last of him I know that we have it and we want to also talk about the huge event coming up and the significance of Josh Sheppard Library of Congress radio preservation task force Yes, the Library of Congress has a project the radio preservation task force Josh Shepard. Dr Joshua Sheppard is the director He caught wind of my research and totally embraced it the Library of Congress is very interested in preserving all of radio broadcast history and So, dr. Shepherd has been just encouraged domini. Just truly encouraging me He’ll be speaking this fall at Indiana State University Ceremonies to honor their radio and dr. Morgan’s legacy speaking of legacy and We have so many great images that we have put up on the screen throughout the show one particular image that I loved I believe it was a picture of your mother and father at Thanksgiving and I saw a nice table lots of food your mom I believe was holding a platter. Don’t worry We have we have seen a lot haven’t you’re right in vain but family Gatherings for you as we close because the significance of family that bonding Process is something a lot of times that we don’t see much of in our technological age so share one other memory a little short story for The Morgans are a very very tight family They always were dad was one of five and as he said his dad was a coal miner So every Thanksgiving and every Christmas everybody was home and mom always cooked a big turkey and she always baked pumpkin pies and that kind of business and even when I Married my beloved Karen and we had children, you know, we always came back if we possibly could the early years It was a little tough financially But we would come back and we would be there and Thanksgiving it at Christmas And so that our signs our sons could be a part of that legacy Dr. Perry, would you like to share any parting words for dr. Morgan? Dr. Meyer, yes. I just so appreciate the fact that That he’s been willing to share of His family history to allow the story of his dad and and the the pioneer that he was in Radio education to come to life because that really is You know, it’s giving of yourself when you give of your family. So so I appreciate that I’ve certainly had never met you and but I’m glad to have met you here on this broadcast and So thank you for that. Thank you for your contribution as well in Kentucky and in Florida And I know the University of Central Florida has gone great guns based on what you started there when they asked you to come in and build radios, so this is groundbreaking research So many more things on the horizon for both of you want to thank both of you very much For being on the show many. Thanks to you. Dr. Perry as well And of course, I want to thank all of our guests for joining us. Once again. We also want to express our sincere Thanks to those who provided images and video clips for the broadcast as a reminder You can log on to Clarence M Morgan comm to access a vast array of information about dr Clarence Morgan who’s your school master of the air? I’m, rebecca vincent leary. Keep it locked in right here on wsre PBS for the gulf coast

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