Binder Support for Detox | Podcast #230

Binder Support for Detox | Podcast #230

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey guys it’s Dr.
Justin Marchegiani, hope you are having a phenomenal morning. Let’s dive in. I got Evan brand here in the house. We are going to do a podcast on detox support
and specific binders to help improve your health and rid toxins and stress from your
body. So Evan how we do it today man? Evan Brand: Hey man I’m doing just fine and
I’m excited to talk about binders because I’ve been going full force into these things
and I feel like this is something. It’s very hard to find good information on
the internet about this because most people say binders like charcoal or clay, yep, take
them and that’s all. People really say any article you see it could
be something corny like, 7 Top Ways to Detox and then they’ll have bentonite clay and charcoal
on there which are two binders that are very effective but there’s no real good advice
on those, so I’m hoping that we can give people good advice and then talk about why would
you even need to use binders, how long do you use binders, what about some of the risk
where people talk about you depleting your minerals and throwing off your electrolyte
balance because the binders are pulling out top toxins but also pulling out minerals,
so let’s dive into it. Maybe we should first talk about how do you
even know that you need binders. I mean, some could argue everyone is a good
candidate for binders but you and I have specific cases where we use these. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, so a couple
of different things I would say that we’d talk about is we’ll use binders sometimes
when we’re doing detoxification programs I should say got clearing GI clearing programs. So if we’re working on dysbiosis or SIBO or
parasitic infection and we’re killing off crud that could be in the gut tract, well
our body has to do something with that. Our body has to stop up that dead debris and
escort it out and if we kill too much, too fast, that can overwhelm our detoxification
system, our lymphatic system and our immune system so putting a straightjacket on it whether
we’re using activated charcoal, can help bind some of these things up, or bentonite clay
can help bind some of these things up it does it via electrical it’s an adsorbent quality
where it attracts it to it like a magnet similar to activated charcoal and it helps escort
it out of the body so it’s not reabsorbed stimulating the immune system over in the
body, so this is helpful and we’re clearing stuff out in the guts that eventually could
make its way back reabsorbed into the body. Evan Brand: Yeah, so let’s, let’s go through
maybe a couple examples Evan Brand: (Cross talking.) Yeah. Evan Brand: Like, when we would bring this
on board so actually I believe a couple of the supplements you and I manufacture not
only have antimicrobial herbs but actually have clay in it so there’s one that you and
I use. Mine is my microbiome support one. It’s got clay but then it also has berberine
and Oregon grapefruit, a bunch of other things in it so there’s kind of an binder quality
built into it but really when you and I are working on gut bugs, we noticed that these
people have this, I guess, gut feeling that when you show up with a parasite they just
say give me everything they want to throw everything at it and just kill kill kill too
hard, yeah, but a lot of times people don’t have the, the strong enough constitution,
so maybe we can talk about would you use binders in a more sensitive person would you use them
regardless of a gut protocol. Like, how do you gauge that? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well I think off the
‘bout the big thing is most people when they find out they have some kind of a gut
issue, their main focus shifts to I want to go kill this thing” that’s the first thing
they think about in focus. I think it’s a big mistake because a lot of
times, the first focus needs to be on bringing inflammation down, bringing nutrition up and
supporting our energizing systems around it because we’re gonna have a drop in energy. We may have more information, we may tax our
nutritional needs to run other metabolic pathways in the body so it’s really important that
we’re getting more nutrition in or reducing the inflammation and then we give more time
for energy systems to come up because we may come backwards a little bit, it’s like hey
we only get this big expense coming in one or two months. Let’s start a savings account where we start
infusing more money into it so that in a month or two when this debt starts coming do you
have that extra bit of money to throw at it, does that make sense? Evan Brand: It does, yeah. This is important for people to listen. This is why we try to educate people that
come to us because if we have uneducated clients it’s nothing against them but they’re not
as motivated for the long haul if somebody just finds us on a random blog, a random video,
but they don’t listen to us when they get a series of lab tests back. That we run on they may see four or five six
different infections and Justin or I may say, hey look you know we’ve really got to take
month one or month two to work on addressing your adrenal function calming down the inflammation
as you mentioned because we may see high occult blood where they’ve got microscopic bleeding
because their guts in such bad shape or we may see that the calprotectin is really high
if we go straight into killing they may feel worse, and then they, of course leave the
program so you know if you’re seeking out functional medicine, you want to make sure
you, you and your mind are, you have your own agenda but listen to the practitioners
agenda too, because if you’ve gone through this a thousand times, we can tell you straight
up hey look if you’ve got way too much inflammation, I know you want to get rid of the bugs so
do we but you may feel like crap if we do it too soon. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%, so we want to
build everything up so we have that foundation ready to go. Number two, a lot of people there’s two ways
to take a binder. So number one is you know you’re eating a
questionable food or drink and you want it’s a B in your system – binary potential crud
with that up, that’s where you would take that with food with that food. Number two, you’re in the middle of a detoxification
program and it’s a longer-term thing. We probably don’t want you taking that binder
every single day with regular healthy food so we would have you do it typically an hour
before meal and or two to three hours after a meal to avoid binding up those minerals
and nutrients. We would try to time it up on an empty stomach. Now sometimes it’s easier to do it midday
between breakfast and lunch and lunch and dinner or some people will do it when they
get up and then when they go to bed and just leave an hour before, you know, half hour
forty-five minutes before breakfast in the morning and then at least two hours after
dinner at night there was a really good prime times and of course a holiday weekend you
can always take activated charcoal with any of your questionable foods and drink, that’s
super helpful. Evan Brand: Yeah and don’t sing wise, most
of the time when you find activated charcoal, it’s gonna be in about a 250 milligram to
500 milligram dose and so I think there’s a range that people can do now. I will say I just kind of come to this realization
over the weekend so I’m sharing this with Justin for the first time. ou know I’ve been battling dizziness and sort
of this disequilibrium for probably like six months or so. OF not more actually, no, it was since last
July so we’re talking almost a year and what I just kind of made the connection detoxification
and binding you have to mobilize a lot of your toxins but you have to detox them at
the same time so it’s kind of this seesaw where if I do too much glutathione which is
another detoxification strategy we’ll mention but if I don’t do enough binders with it I
feel worse but if I don’t do enough glutathione or enough binder, then I still feel bad, I
still feel dizzy, so when I feel like my best and I’m not recirculating toxins. It’s the perfect dose of glutathione which
for me is about 200 milligrams of acetyl glutathione with NAC one gram and then 500 milligrams
of charcoal so glutathione would come first in the morning, let’s say 7:00 a.m. I would try to wait an hour do binders or
in reverse order, you could do binders first thing like 7 a.m. binders glutathione it 8
and then breakfast right after so, so that’s kind of the hard part too is you know somebody
pointed out in the comments that it’s confusing between the meals time because we’re often
told to take our herbs they thought they would bind the herbs – yeah, that’s the hard part
is I think the hardest part about binders it’s so simple and effective, but the hardest
part is the timing, remembering to take them, and remembering to take them away from your
medication your other supplements and herbs. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%, and really important,
we want to make sure we’re supporting the lymph right, so drinking enough water help
support the lymph right. The solution to pollution is dilution I’d
say that 4 times fast we want to make sure we’re providing hydration so the lymph can
move. Ginger tea is awesome. I use this with a lot of my patients because
ginger is anti-inflammatory. It’s essentially an anticoagulant. It keeps things moving. It’s also a biofilm buster so if we have biofilm
which of these protective shields used by critters it will definitely help with that
and take those shields out of their hand and allow the anti microbials to be more effective
so that’s for sure. Now a couple other gentle lymphatic supports
that we’ll do is we’ll do red route which is going to be a powerful anticoagulant. We’ll do things like slippery out/ We’ll do
dandelion, we’ll do milk thistle, skullcap, rhubarb, rosehips, is shown to be incredibly
effective at mobilizing toxins and just kind of gently nudging it out of the body so these
are all very very powerful strategies that we can utilize to keep things moving and right,
Evan? Evan Brand: Yes, let’s move on. Let’s talk about other reasons when and why
you’d use binders we talked about gut protocols rights of supporting people during parasite
infections bacterial overgrowth. We talked about setting the foundation. First reducing inflammation, supporting adrenals
before you even go into the killing so during the killing phase you can use binders to mitigate
die-off because people talk about, well am I gonna feel bad, am I gonna have a herxheimer
reaction on this protocol, well you shouldn’t. Now we don’t always see every piece to the
puzzle right away so if we just see gut infection, well we don’t know that you have a major mold
problem we may start to use glutathione to help you replace glutathione if we saw your
organic acid tested low but now that glutathione could be mobilizing things like heavy metals,
it could be mobilizing mold into this right interro hepatic recirculation, so now we have
to do more binders right. So this is why we have to get a good work
up on somebody if we just do a stool test lab and we try to make a protocol and throw
in binders on, that it’s not very accurate so this is why we try to look at urine for
mold, we do the organic acids, we can look at chemicals, we can look at stool, we can
look at hormones and once you have all the puzzle pieces yeah you’re gonna spend some
money up front to get all this data but it’s gonna save you more hassle in the long run
because if someone does just stole in urine and let’s say you look at organic acids in
stool we make a protocol and then they say, Hey Dr. J or hey Evan you know I’m not feeling
good or I had a headache or I had extra joint pain, we’re gonna say well we’re missing something,
we need to figure out what’s going on because this protocol here is great however something’s
missing so now let’s go back and fix or fill in the labs that we didn’t run in the beginning. It actually cost you less money to get all
the data in the beginning rather than waiting till the end because we’ll have people that’ll
come on a budget which is fine, right, they’ll say I’m just gonna do stool tests but then
we only see one thing, like let’s say we see blastocyst as hominis so it’s like, well do
we use binders in that case. I mean, they could be helpful but we don’t
know what else going on what if they have chemicals and molds and other things where
they do need binders so that was percent, so what I was gonna, what I was gonna lead
into was that my mycotoxin report I should be able to share my screen so let me see if
I can because I wanted to show you when and why I started using binders and it was because
of my mycotoxin report. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that’s another
big one. right we talked about using binders to help
with clearing herbs but we may see people that have mold exposure, they may be, they
may be in a moldy house or we may see that they are urinating out a lot of mold maybe
from previous exposure they have a hard time getting the mold out of their body and that’s
a great time to use specific binders especially modified citrus pectin or zeolite can be excellent
and then you know we even we can even talk about it as well that we even utilize some
air filters that have binders in it like activated charcoal and zeolite to pull potential mold
out of the air as well so we can even use it in our air as well. Evan Brand: Yep yep, so I’ve got my report
pulled up if people are listening on audio, obviously you’re missing out you can go on
Justin’s YouTube channel and look up this podcast and you’ll find this video screen,
share but what we’re looking at here is my Hawker toxin levels in my urine which the
reference range anything above four is elevated and anything above 20 is very high and I was
at 196. Now the key component here is having people
do glutathione for five to seven days before you actually collect urine because that’s
going to give us a more accurate result. We find that the, the tip of the iceberg shows
up if you don’t do glutathione, so that’s fine right like if you see just a tiny bit
of mycotoxin you know that you have an issue but I would like to just flush it out as much
as we can and then report it so this level may have not been as high if I didn’t have
glutathione on my system- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But still some people
say you shouldn’t do that but taking glutathione isn’t just you know put mold in your body
and that molds already there. It’s just mobilize better so it’s we’re getting
in a window and what’s actually there, which i think is more important. We want to know what’s actually there versus
what’s stocking tissues and our body can’t get out right. Evan Brand: Right I mean it’s the same, it’s
the same thing as doing a profit for heavy metal testing right, I don’t know why people
would be against using glutathione to look at mycotoxins if everyone supports the idea
of using a key later or even a natural key later like chlorella for heavy metals collection
before you collect urine or other samples for, for heavy metal so to me it’s a no-brainer
and look at my levels, I mean it’s very, very high and then you see there’s different types
of mycotoxins and some are more damaging than others so ochratoxin, it actually affects
the cerebellum. Now I’ve learned this, I didn’t know this
but that’s why you see balance and disorientation and dizziness with ochratoxin more than other
mycotoxins because it does affect the cerebellum, so that’s why I notice if we go down here,
you see, I just had some other stuff too. So treinen, this is another mycotoxin, I can’t
even pronounce this one and ___[14:07] and B. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That was the upper
toxin, where specifically did you get exposed to that problem is that just for water damage
or- Evan Brand: Yeah, that’s just that’s airborne
so that comes from Aspergillus, you know I remember as a kid so that’s the report, so
I’ll stop sharing, so you can go back to me but I remember as a kid my grandmother’s basement
flooded and they had carpet in the basement and I remember them putting box fans down
there and it took weeks to dry out and after you and I’ve spoken with Jeff and JW some
of the mold experts, they’ve told us that after 48 hours you have mold growth if you
have a moist material so you know, I remember being down there like playing games and doing
puzzles as a kid while the box fans ran, which now I know was just blowing the spores everywhere
so I think I probably had this toxic build up many, many, many years before I got symptomatic. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Anyone that has any
family members that live in a basement, get your basement tested and get a whole house
dehumidifier for your basement. There’s specific ones that are for the basement. Get that moisture percentage down to at least
the low 40s. It’s really important that will prevent mold
grow significantly especially if there’s no water damage plus you have natural heat exchange
between foundation and the earth on the other side so you may get moisture occurring through
that foundation to the heat exchange so because of that we really have to make sure we’re
taking that water out of the air and it’s not accumulating. Evan Brand: Yeah I check my humidifiers all
the time and I have a bonus room upstairs above the garage that were converting into
a playroom and that doesn’t have ductwork up there so the dehumidifier won’t work up
there so I had a little humidity monitor over the weekend and it was at 62% which is way
too high so I got a GE portable 70 pint dehumidifier and it has a little hose on it, so once I
get all the plumbing done I’ll be able to hook that hose up to the plumbing to where
it just constantly drains but for right now I’ve got the bucket so once a day or so I
just drain the bucket until the plumbing’s done and I’ve already got it down on 20% now
we’re at 42% humidity. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s where you want
to be. So like my house right now, I’m in like the
low 40s 41 42 from my first floor in second floor my office basement I’m in like the upper
50s low 60s so I already got an HVAC guy coming this week, we’re gonna go with the April air
whole house basement dehumidifier. We’re gonna tap it in to the water line so
we don’t have to worry about I just rather have it just draining all the time and not
have to think about it because I know you can get a lot of water pulled out of the air
for sure. Evan Brand: Oh it’s amazing yeah, and so you
know why binders came into the picture for me as well one of the best ways to give no
to ___[16:37] talks in his binders so if you talk with any of the laboratories that do
this testing for mycotoxins, they’ll tell you that you can use antioxidants like vitamin
C to mitigate the damage but to really get the stuff out which is the goal number one
is make sure you’re in a clean environment so that’s why Justin and I hit so much upon
the home environment using high quality HEPA filters to take the mycotoxins out of the
air, so you’re not breathing them in but even in that might not be good enough, right. An air filter won’t fix the bad environment,
the air filters like the bonus after the environments already been fixed. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Although I have found
patience though where there’s no active leak issues, I have found patients knocked down
they’re a mold test pre and post significantly with just a good enter filter. Evan Brand: Oh, I believe it, yeah, I think
it’s a good catcher’s mitt for sure. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I mean, if it’s a
humidity issue you probably have a greater chance if there’s actual water damage, it’s
probably a little bit tougher and that’s where we have to bring in the fogging solution. But you know, my thing is get a really good
air filter, I mean head over to or justinhealth, click on our shop link .look
at our recommended products and there we’ll put links down below and that’s what we personally
use there’s a couple different filters that we use like for instance I’m gonna be getting
the Austin air filter for my basement office because that has zeolite and activated charcoal
just because basements are more prone to mold. I’ll be using that specific filter but upstairs
I have is the Air Doctor and the molecule upstairs and areas that are less prone so
you know I’m kind of strategic and what filters I use and why and then also, um, you know
testing and getting the whole house dehumidifier is huge so you just want to be on top of these
things so you can create a really good home environment is part of Evans issues where
this chronic accumulation, and now we want to be using binders in specific gentle mobilizers
or I call it the lymphatic support or drainage support to kind of keep things moving in the
right direction. Evan Brand: Yep so the Austin Air’s great. I think you’ll love it. I have my grandmother over and she sprayed
hairspray which just destroys me. The smell of it just tears me up. I told her don’t wear hair spray soon as she
wears it and so of course she fills up the whole living room with the smell of the hairspray. I’ve got the Austin air right there all I
did is crank it on high by the time she left, ten minutes later the air smelt like a fresh
spring, I mean, that thing is amazing for smells and VOCs and so anybody that has allergies
chemical sensitivities it’s, it’s incredible so reach out to Justin or me if you want to
get an Austin air we are professional dealers for those and I mean it’s worth its weight
in gold just from that one experience. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%, now what’s your
experience, Evan using like sulphur based amino acids like Metheny and cysteine NAC. I know some of these things are biofilm Buster’s
so they may be very helpful in dealing with SIBO especially with knack or NAC but then
there’s also glutathione, so just my school of thought, is that people have significant
chronic stress will tend to go more with lower dose glutathione, because the sulphur aminos
have to get converted and if there’s any methylation issues or we’re missing certain nutrients
that, that conversion may be a little bit halted, so I’ll tend to go more close, I own
but sometimes we’ll do both which strategy and how do you incorporate glutathione versus
two sulfur amino acids and the, and some of these herbs we talked about. Evan Brand: Yeah, so the blend right now as
acetylated glutathione, it’s a hundred milligram per capsule and 500 milligrams of NAC, so
if I do two caps a day, that’s 1000 milligram Knack, 200 milligrams glutathione. To me that is like the perfect combination,
I think there’s a little b6 added in there too but that’s the perfect combo for me, I
noticed if I add any because- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s probably helping
with the methylation. Evan Brand: Yeah, it does make sense, yeah,
I’ve got some methylation defects/ I’m not like a double, and double, what do you call
it- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: (Cross talking.) The homozygous one. Evan Brand: The homozygous one yeah, yeah
I’m hetero, so I’ve got the one snip of methylation issue, so I have some methylation probably
not yeah so for me I tried this experiment where I did the 200 milligram glutathione
a thousand milligrams AK, and then I added an extra 400 milligram of a liposomal glutathione
in a teaspoon, I took a teaspoon of that and I had the worst headache of my life. That was like, the last last weekend or two. I called you, I’m like, yo I screwed up, you’re
like, oh what’d you do, like I took glutathione and then I took extra liposomal glutathione
on top of it, I’ve got the worst headache of my life and it lasted for man, I mean,
hours six to eight hours probably, so I learned my lesson. Now maybe everybody else is fine but for my
particular issue that mobilized way too many toxins, I mean it’s almost like I just opened
the floodgates and my system just couldn’t handle it so, yeah, yeah, I know I take action
yeah, so I did tons of water, we talked about doing some extra charcoal, you’re like, hey
try some binders, then maybe if you mobilize too much why don’t you take some more binders
so I went took a capsule with charcoal and then drank some vitamin C, took some electrolytes
and then finally, finally I did some CBD oil as well that calmed it down so for me I’m
a huge fan of what you said which is go more for the neck and the precursors rather than
just hard-hitting glutathione because it is very effective but you can do too much there
is there is such thing as too much of a good thing and, and I definitely found that that
spot for me. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s excellent very,
very good feedback so in general here, we got to figure out the goal, is what’s your
reason for using these type of things are we doing it because it’s a holiday weekend
and we’re gonna take some binders because we’re gonna have some food and drink. That’s questionable, that’s great by the way
couple people on the questions that I drank some cheap alcohol and got headaches, I did
the same thing this weekend on Friday night I added in some vitamin C with some additional
vitamin C, like ester minerals like potassium, magnesium, zinc, chloride and I added the
vitamin C with it and that way and with magnesium and that was really good that killed my headache,
added some liposomal glutathione were good no problem, there so that was a huge help
also improving the quality of my alcohol so last night we had some celebrations at my
house, so I did some high-quality clean vodka Tito’s vodka. We did some half-line squeezed organic limes,
and then we did some kombucha to mix it in, so we got additional B vitamins, additional
good crap beneficial probiotics, we kept the sugar down extra minerals EGCG just beneficial
antioxidants in there along with antioxidants and vitamin C from the lime juice, as well
so that’s super helpful so if you are gonna drink, try to choose alcohol that’s not gonna
add more toxic burden to you and then of course you can always, you could always take activated
charcoal with that or if it’s cleaner alcohol you may want to wait and just take it before
bed with a couple of shots of glutathione which is what I typically do if I have alcohol
to a couple because usually I’m still eating a very nutritious dinner right, so I’m eating
pretty good most of the time if I’m having some alcohol, so I’ll do activated charcoal
before bed, couple of squirts of glutathione, some vitamin C and some additional minerals
and it’s like boom, I got everything in case there’s any dehydration I’m drinking my toe
but she goes in between drinks to maximize minerals and hydration as well. Evan Brand: Good, good, good, that’s all great
strategies. I like you’re focusing on quality because
see, people think alcohol and you say that it’s like, well there’s a huge range of quality
you could go for some really garbage stuff that’s got tons of sulfites and pesticides
etc, or you can go really high quality like you’re talking about with your alcohol, so
I think being smart if you’re going to consume it, be smart about what you’re using and then
what I will say about the other binder my favorite or one of my favorites is zeolite
I’ve noticed with zeolite it’s actually a better toxin capsulation process than charcoal,
so charcoal as you mentioned it has this property like a magnet where it kind of drags the toxins
out through the intestinal tract but if you have a leaky gut situation going on, if you
have gut infections you most likely have a permeable gut barrier some of those toxins
will get reabsorbed as you’re dragging them through the intestinal tract and pooping them
out with the charcoal, so you can actually do too much charcoal and feel like crap I’ve
done it now zeolite though I’ve noticed I can bump up my zeolite quite significantly
and I don’t feel anything bad from it so I’m not an expert on the you know molecular level
of how zeolite is working, but I believe it’s more of a complete encapsulation of the toxin
charcoals more of an adze orbit, I believe zeolites more of a encapsulator of the toxin
because if I bump on, bump up and keep raising Xilai I never have a reaction where I feel
like I’m doing too much, I do get really, really thirsty on it but I don’t ever notice
a bad symptom like I do if I do too much charcoal for example. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Is the gold still
the same is it – in capsule a, an escort out of the digestive tract in general. Evan Brand: Yeah, exactly. Same thing pull things out and zeolites great
because it can help with not only ochratoxin and other micro toxins but it can help with
the alcohol molecule, I’m sure and then heavy metals pesticides etc, there’s some cool research
on even like BPA and phthalates and other man-made chemicals that zeolite can remove Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Do you have a good
brand of zeolite you recommend? Evan Brand: So there’s there’s a couple different
ones I believe it’s called results RNA- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah I think is that
Gordon’s lab or Gordon’s company Evan Brand: I don’t know, I just, it’s got
a gold label on it and it’s a spray and it’s, it’s just purified water and then co light
so that one’s really good I did carry the vitality detox drops for a while these little
small bottles and it’s just a little dropper you just squeeze it onto the tongue however
it does have citric acid and I think it even had a preservative in it, so I was just trying
to go more clean, so that’s why I went with the results brand and you’ll get really thirsty
on zeolite but to me that’s a good sign, that you’re starting to pull stuff out so just
stay hydrated extra minerals extra water, you know ,I’ll kind of rotate in like some
VG every once in a while or I’ll do like this Icelandic like glacial spring water, which
yeah, it’s in plastic, but you know the water inside of it’s good, so I’ll kind of rotate
and play with a couple different things. The Fiji is helpful because of the silica
content so I would consider Fiji as part of a detox protocol too. Yhere was some guy out there on a member,
his name some doctor who did an experiment where he had his patients drink nothing but
Fiji water for like a month and they’ve reduced their aluminum content in their body with
the help of the silica by like 60% Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s great, yeah,
they said, look does a good natural detox it’s also a good it’s you know one of the
main building blocks of your teeth too, so it’s really powerful for building up healthy
and animal Evan Brand: Yep, so I would just say long
story short with people, is get your testing done you know work with a practitioner, if
it’s Justin, if it’s me, we don’t care who you work with just as long as you get help
and you get the proper data right, cuz you could go to Whole Foods and go buy charcoal
and take it, you don’t know what you’re doing, you don’t know why you’re doing it, what’s
the purpose, how long do you need, to do buy undersea work, we’re getting a clinical piece
of data and we see okay, look Evans got a ton of ochratox and we’re gonna do these specific
binders, plus sauna, plus mitigating the environment, making sure everything’s clean, plus helping
the liver, plus making sure the gut bugs are clear, I looked at my stool as well and then
you retest did it work do we still need to do binders right so I think this is in the
category of stuff that that can definitely help you and it’s not gonna hurt you ,however
I just don’t recommend doing it without a plan it’s much smarter to have a plan Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly, and then
with your experience with zeolite, is it more selective and not binding up nutrition and
minerals like activate it, well, is it is it like more indiscriminate like activated
charcoal based on your experience or is it more selective at avoiding the binding of
nutrition and more encapsulating the mold? Evan Brand: Mmm, hard to say. I would have no idea how to prove if I was
preserving my mineral content, I would just say I get really thirsty, so to me it sounds
like it may be pulling out minerals as well I just don’t know. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So zeolite more encapsulates
where the charcoal or the clays adsorbent and kind of electrically-charged that toxin
nearby, that’s what it feels like pulls other things into. Evan Brand: That’s what it feels, like there’s
a couple articles on this, I don’t have anything bookmarked right now, but I had read something
about zeolite being better at keeping the toxin away from the bloodstream away from
reabsorption compared to charcoal, being more of just it’s dragging the body through the
house and leaving a blood trail, I sting versus the zeolites more hiding it in the bag and
taking it out but like I said this is all just stuff I’ve, I’ve read and I’ve felt personally
not bad from doing high dose zeolite where if I go high dose charcoal, I do feel bad
so this is kind of just what I’ve read plus some personal and clinical. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So use the creepy
analogy right, pardon, is analogy we’re dragging the body versus pulling out the neat body
bag and then putting it, putting it in there, picking it up without, right- Evan Brand: (Cross talking.) It makes it makes perfect sense- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It does. I get sure okay that’s cool and then one more
thing we talked about a couple of other binders a couple of people who chimed in on here,
we already mentioned modified citrus pectin and citrus pectin is kind of in that plant
base of fiber community, which is very helpful at binding up metals like lead and Mercury,
and also molds as well so we like the modified citrus pectins, as well and let’s not forget
chlorella, chlorella is gonna be really good as any more selective at binding up, mercury
tend to be mercury in the gut, so chlorella could be really good if you’re going out and
getting sushi, definitely want to bring some chlorella with you and take it with the meal,
that way it’s binding with a lot of the mercury that may be in your gut and then you can also
do activated charcoal for that but chlorella is really, really good at that so there’s
a couple other strategies that we can incorporate as well
Evan Brand: Yep, so you could play with all this on your own if you’d like and you’re
probably not gonna hurt anything unless you’re got a really important medication that you’re
taking and you’re taking binders with your pharmaceutical medication, and now your heart
doesn’t work the way it should right, like, don’t take this stuff with medication at the
same time separated by at least an hour but really get the data you know if you have symptoms
there’s probably a reason for your symptoms there’s a root cause for something, so if
you feel fatigued, there’s a reason for that, if you feel dizzy there’s probably a reason
for that, if you feel joint pain there’s probably a reason for that, so investigate, investigate,
investigate, get the data first, get the puzzle pieces laid out on the table, you’re not gonna,
you know, draw that be like you’re a character caricature artist, you know, out of an art
fair and the person is turn the other way and now you’ve got to draw what their face
looks like and they’re in there, not they’ve got their back towards you like you just can’t
do it, it doesn’t make sense so for you to go and buy zeolite and buy charcoal, and I’m
gonna play with all these binders, you don’t even know what you’re up against, that’s silly,
so you know, find a good practitioner that you want to work with, if it’s us, great,
we know we love helping people across the world, if you’ve got somebody else helping
you, great, just make sure you get the data, don’t just have them put you on a bunch of
chlorella for no reason. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely, head over
at, you can reach out to Evan,, you can reach out to me
as well, I’ll also be doing a live YouTube Q&A within a few minutes after this podcast
here, I see a bunch of questions in the queue that are more patient oriented so I’ll be
there for a nice little live Q&A action so if you guys want to hang out for 5 or 10 more
minutes I will be back. Evan ,today was phenomenal, great information,
great back and forth, we put this together last minute just the nice thing about it is,
you know, we have so much patient experience every week so we can look at, hey what are
some of the questions or issues or challenges our patients are having and then we can say,
let’s create a podcast, and a lot of times our podcast or patient inspired and more importantly
they’re designed to help the general public, as well as patients, so if you guys are patients
and already listening to this, make sure you’re subscribed and you utilize as much of this
information to support the program you are already on. Anything else you want to add, Evan? Evan Brand: Oh, that’s it. I would just say take good care and I will
be back next week for some more fun so if you have suggestions, topic suggestions, you
know write those in the comment or if Justin’s doing a Q&A, bring up those topics to him
and we’ll jot it down and we’ll make sure we bring it up. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wonderful. All right man, you have a phenomenal day,
enjoy your family and I’ll be back in a few take it everywhere, bye. Evan Brand: Bye.

7 thoughts on “Binder Support for Detox | Podcast #230

  1. Castor oil and black walnut hull during the spring fullmoon's…:), go easy to not get a herx reaction.

  2. How do you really absorb glutathione with binders? Maybe coffee enemas would be better?I understand this stimulates natural glutathione.

  3. What do you suggest…MUST get MMR and DTAP to go to medical school…already have MM antibodies…HELP PLEASE, already have enough inflammation and autoimmune 😓 How do I clean my BLOOD?? I’m 56 years old

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