19. Sidney Green Case Study

19. Sidney Green Case Study


– So welcome everybody. We’re here for another case study with one of our best customers. One of our most, well, I mean, the progress has been great so far. Mr. Sidney Green. So welcome Sidney. – [Sidney] Thank you, glad to be here. – So we always start off, you know obviously just tell us a little bit about yourself. Just give us an introduction
if you don’t mind. Just who are you, where are you from, why you studying Chinese? – I’m 75, I’m a retired
Anglican church minister. I’ve been married to my wife
Jackie for 51 years this year. Got three boys, two of them are
married, four grandchildren, three boys are all in
Australia with us now. We emigrated in 2004 to
be able to go as a family. And we love it, best move
we ever made actually. I been, as I said a church minister but also a university lecturer and you don’t actually retire at this job. (Luke laughs) I did a Ph.D. in my retirement
here in Australia from that. And my interest in Chinese began really in the UK when
I was a school chaplain at an English public school. I mean, for those in the public schools, the state schools in England, – [Luke] Yes. – They’re not, they’re private schools. And we had lots of Chinese students who’d come over for education there. And we used to get friendly
with the parents there. And we got very friendly with one particular set of parents and students. So friendly in fact that they invited us to the wedding of their son
and I was able to preach and I was so fascinated by the
Chinese language and culture. – [Luke] Yeah. – That I began, I really
want to study this. I really want to know more about it. I studied Greek and Hebrew
for my ministry training. But Greek and Hebrew both have alphabets and when I discovered that
Chinese doesn’t have an alphabet that was something completely different and I love a challenge and I
thought this is gonna be great. So I started to learn Chinese or tried to. My first thing was to buy
a set of CD’s which I did. I bought in an airport in Singapore. Of course it was just
sound, there was no text. No characters, just phrases. And it was you know, helpful, but you didn’t learn much
about Chinese or China. And when we emigrated to Australia, we found that there are so many
Chinese people in Australia. – Oh, yeah absolutely. That’s something I noticed
when I went to Melbourne. There’s two languages in the airport, and all the signs are
in English and Chinese. – Absolutely. So I thought this is really good and so I made some Chinese friends and began you know, trying to learn. I even went to a night class
at the university for a term. But that really didn’t help very much. Again it was more like phrases. Again characters were never really taught and characters were so important to me – [Luke] Yeah. – So I started trying to find other ways of learning but I couldn’t. I was totally frustrated, couldn’t do it. Bought textbooks, so
boring, very difficult and being 75, I began to believe the myth I think that maybe I was too old. It was impossible to learn
at this age, you know. But that was wrong of course, because when I started looking online, and looking at some of the
courses that were on offer, some of them were pretty useless, and I found Mandarin Blueprint, and actually my first
impression of Mandarin Blueprint was that book sounds
pretty useless as well. – (laughs) It does, yeah. – But it talks about movies and I thought what are they on about? I actually bought the pronunciation course and I bought it, it’s free now of course, but I actually bought it. – Yeah, sorry about that. (laughing) – That’s all right, that’s how it works. And loved that and loved
you guys, the way you do it and so I thought, okay,
let’s push the boat out. And I went for the blueprint course and did a bit of the trial and tried it and I just loved it and
I’ve been hooked ever since. So good, I’m on character I think 302 now. – Wow, fantastic, I
actually haven’t kept track of your progress recently but
that’s really good to hear. So you’re, well I mean
in terms of characters, you’re over halfway done
with the current format so that’s really fantastic. – Yeah, so that’s where I’m at. I’m saying I’m at it, I’m not saying I’m good at it, but that’s where I’ve got on the course. – Well, I mean you made it so far, you’re clearly very motivated, so you must have had some
success with the method otherwise you wouldn’t be so- – I just love it. I just love the fact that now I can look at Chinese characters, at least the ones you present to me, and I can read them and I
can do it without Pinyin now, that’s the really exciting thing and I actually understand what they say and it’s really exciting. It is very fulfilling. – [Luke] That’s fantastic. – Yeah, so what I’m hoping it will do, and I think it is beginning to do, is to open a door for me
into this rich culture of art and literature and just the way that this vast number
of people in the world think, cause it’s so different. – [Luke] Yes it is Yeah and talking to my Chinese friends I think I really want
to know more about that, so that’s where I’m at at the moment. I hope that makes sense. – No, that makes a lot of sense, I mean there’s so much
there that you just said, I’m trying to think of
what to address first. First of all, yes, the Chinese culture the Chinese people are very
much worth getting to know. It’s not just some old cliche in fact you might have
seen that video I made well me and Phil made recently where I’m speaking in
Chinese at the beginning- – You’re sitting on the bench. – Exactly yes, and I wrote that script with the reason in mind of
trying to get more of the the lesser- How do you say it? My English vocabulary is so bad these days. (laughs) sort of the less tangible
benefits of speaking Chinese. Forget about career,
money, all that stuff, if that interests you. That it really is worth getting in tune with the Chinese people
because there’s so many things but one of the key things and Phil and I both believe this is that, You’ve spent obviously a lot
of time with Chinese people but one of the key things is they tend to listen when you talk in terms of if you have a difference in opinion on something things aren’t so controversial
and things like that. They can just accept
different points of view. They might not agree with you but that’s one thing that I’ve noticed. – Yes, yes, you’re right. I’ve been three times to China now and I just go for I go on a tourist trip,
the sights are great I love the place, I love it. Been to Chengdu, seen the pandas but I just love more just
sitting in a cafe or somewhere and just listening and trying to talk that’s the most exciting bit really. Haggling with fellas, I love that. They have a shot when I can
actually say some of it. (Luke laughing) They come round to sell me things and I haggle with them and
they’re quite taken aback. – [Luke] Yeah.Yeah. – The funniest thing was
people on the coach tour kept coming to me and saying, “Will you go and buy me some
at the price you got it for?” (laughing) – Yeah, that’s really common as well, you end up becoming everyone’s translator or go between, yeah. – China is just a lovely, lovely place. – It is, it is. I mean it has problems like every country but it really is worth visiting it’s worth living in obviously otherwise we wouldn’t be here. But I wanna get to, I’m
wanna try and stay on track as much as I can here
because I wanna be respectful of your time otherwise
we’ll chat for hours. (laughing) But just let me pinpoint
the initial problem that you were having here. You wanted to learn Chinese because of the less tangible reasons that I was talking about you wanted to communicate
better with people because you think it’s
worthwhile to do so. But you said the major
problem was characters, the boring textbooks, that sort of things? – Yeah the textbooks didn’t
help at all actually. I found it quite hard. I bought those books, you know you’ve got those books with masses of squared paper – [Luke] Oh yeah. – Where you copy the character
out hundreds of times and things like that. And I just couldn’t work it out. Again, it may be my age,
my memory is different but I found that using the movie method it seemed to bring another
part of my brain into operation that is sort of quite
different, and it works. Yeah, so it’s characters were the thing and it’s just the excitement of that. I’ve always had that itch that’s why I enjoyed
Greek and Hebrew because Hebrew looked a bit weird
when I first saw it. I thought I’ll crack this code. Phil called it a code the other day in the last podcast, I think when he was talking about translation. It’s like a code for meaning
and this is another code and I was just determined to crack it. – [Luke] Yeah, you’re a
man that likes a challenge. – Yeah I love a challenge. – Yeah that’s clear. So the major weakness, how long did you struggle? I’m not sure if you already mentioned, but you were trying to learn Chinese for how long before finding us? – It’d been a few years but on and off because I was so bored
of it I just stopped. – [Luke] Yeah that happens. – And then I’d pick up again and try again but your method’s just hooked and I’ll keep going ’til the end. – That’s fantastic, yeah. And by the way, I did say
you’re on character 300, which is brilliant and I understand you’ve also started doing some reading, you’ve started looking at the paragraphs opinions, dialogues, this sort of thing. – [Sidney] They’re
fascinating, I love them – It’s another good code
to unlock, isn’t it? – Phil was saying on
the last podcast I think that no one has yet sent in,
well perhaps they have now but no one had sent in a
video of themselves reading or doing something and I thought
one day I’m gonna do that. Don’t ask me to do it on this – No, no, I won’t, I won’t,
I won’t put you on the spot. But yeah, do that, we always recommend, I’m looking at the camera now just to we always recommend anyone on the course who’s following it including
Sidney, yourself, as well please send us in you reading
out loud some of the content. You know, we have lots of content that you can unlock
later on in the course. We’d be happy to breakdown any issues or tell you where you’re
doing really well as well. It’s not just gonna be us criticizing you. – Yeah, I think one of the things you said in the last podcast as well was sometimes because you guys are so advanced you forget what it was
like at the beginning, you know what I mean? And it’s such a big thing I think to actually record
yourself and send it off. – [Luke] Yeah. – And I’ll do it. I’ll do it soon. – Yeah. We’re looking forward
to hearing about that as well. But another thing that we, as an aside, because you mentioned we
don’t know what it’s like or sometimes we forget what it’s like to be a beginner again. We’re really jealous of
someone in your position that’s starting pretty
much fresh with Chinese with a very small level, low level and jumping into the method straight away. You get all those, “Aha,” moments. – [Sidney] Absolutely,
yeah, it is amazing. – Ours were few and far
between when we were doing it. So that’s fantastic. You’ve sort of already answered
this, but just to be clear what would it mean to you
if you could speak and read Chinese fluently or at the
level that you want to get to? – Yeah, well first of all the sense of personal achievement that would be something because
as you say it’s a challenge and I want to crack it and do it. But mostly because the love that I’ve got for Chinese people they are fascinating. And just to be able to
communicate with them in their own language,
they deserve that, I think because they are so friendly. I just want to know more,
they think so differently. When I eventually talk they
talk so much in English to me I have to challenge them
to speak in Chinese to me. (Luke laughing)
– They want to learn English it’s such a problem to get them to do that ’cause they want to learn English. But when we do talk their mindset is so different and fascinating and just to be part of that is really
something I want to do. I think it broadened my mind, broadened my understanding
of the world, so much more. – So if you were, would
you spend more time maybe visiting China? Would you come to China,
maybe travel a bit more if you could speak the
language a bit better? – I would love to. I would love to do that. There’s a bit of a problem,
this is a personal thing a bit of a problem but
the last time I went I had a bit of a collapse in Beijing– – [Luke] Oh dear. – I was fine, we were just in the hotel so I came home and I broke
my ankle in this fall – [Luke] Oh man. – So my wife She doesn’t go with
me, she has no interest No I wouldn’t say no interest, she’s interested for me
but it’s not her thing. So I go on my own, which
in a sense is quite nice. I’m free to do and look at what I like but because I had this fall, I’m having to persuade my
family that I can go again. – Right, oh yeah, because
I’m sure it was China’s fault that you fell. (laughing) If you go to America that’s fine. – I said it had nothing to do
with it, purely coincidental. Yes, I would love to go again but to be able to fluently
speak to the people would be amazing. – Yes. Yeah. That’s brilliant. So I really like it when people
have those kind of goals. Any goal is fine, I do
not judge whatsoever, but I think in terms of
the most effective goal again we had Chad on recently, one of our other very
successful clients there and he’s sort of similar to you. His goal is not anything that tangible it’s just I want to access this culture. And I find, personally,
’cause I had a similar goal. I find that the people
with that type of goal from the get go usually
are the most successful. That’s what I personally found. A lot of people start off
with more tangible stuff like, “Oh I wanna do it for a
career,” or just a personal, “I wanna just see if I can do it.” But then they end up turning into that, they end up turning into, “I just wanna access this cool culture.” – Yes. I’m too old for a career now, past that. – Speaking of career, you mentioned that you were a preacher, or is it priest, how would
you like to call that? – I’m an Anglican priest, yeah. – Anglican priest ’cause – And a university lecturer. – Oh right, right. The Christian community
is surprisingly big and growing in China. were you aware of that? – Very much aware I’ve been
visiting the churches in China and communicating with them for a while and I have friends who are
involved in China with that. To be honest, and I don’t
know whether this is okay, I wasn’t sure how much we could speak about religion in China
whether that would compromise you may want to get
rid of this at the end, but whether that would compromise you and your work in China. ‘Cause I know they’re not very keen on Christianity in China at the moment. – Well, it would be fine, I don’t mind. I don’t think it’s to that level. But the reason why I mentioned it was because my fiancee’s grandfather’s sister so I don’t know what that makes her she recently passed away
but she was the lead she was one of the only female priests I guess you would say, like the equivalent of
a priest, I’m not sure – [Sidney] Priestess. – In Shanghai. She was very, very popular,
spoke English perfectly. She died at the age of 97 a few weeks ago actually unfortunately. But she was just a legend really and she had a huge foreign
following, Western following, in Shanghai obviously. It just surprised me, one
of the things that I learned about the Christian religion
is actually so popular. People say that China’s
a very secular country and it is, but that’s one thing that people might not
know about, you know? – I was in Kunming. I went to the Three Self
Church, the state church there but it’s a big building
that holds 3000 people. When I went to one of the
services, I had to queue outside because there was already a service on it was packed with young people. Not just old people, you know. They streamed out and we went in. And as we came out, there was another lot waiting to come in. Apparently they have five services a day and it’s packed out. – [Luke] Wow. – And it holds about 3000 people. And I thought people say
it’s a secular country, but there’s a lot of other
religions as well of course, but Christianity is
quite headstrong there. – [Luke] Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. – One of my goals would be,
I think I said that to you, be able to speak about
my faith in Chinese. – [Luke] Wow. – To Chinese people I would
love to be able to do that. And I don’t think, the vocabulary would be quite difficult I think. – Yeah, I actually tried
to read bits of the Bible once in Chinese and yeah, it’s a pretty tough old read. It’s tough enough in
English, to be honest. – Well I’ve got a Chinese
one, a Chinese Bible, but personally it’s a
bit of a mystery for me. – Absolutely, well that is
like the ultimate for you in your position. That’s the ultimate code to crack. You’ve got an awesome goal there, be able to read and
understand the Chinese Bible. (laughing) That’d be a fantastic goal. I wouldn’t be able to get through it because obviously I’m not as
interested in the material, but you’d be so dedicated
to understanding it. That’d be a fantastic goal for you. – [Sidney] It is one. – That’s brilliant. So what about the actual method itself? This is a question we like to ask. What three parts of Mandarin Blueprint has made the biggest impact
on you, do you think? You don’t have to name three, but what’s- – How it makes it, and characters, they’re the heart of the language, you know I love the
calligraphy, I just love it. I remember again, being in Kunming and seeing this guy doing
characters on the pavement with a brush with water. And they were so beautiful. – [Luke] Yes. – It has a beauty about
it that was lovely. But more than that they’re the key I think to the whole language and it’s so exciting to
be able to look at them and I know what that means. Although the most difficult
thing I think to me, when I was in China, sometimes
you look at shops and signs and sometimes different
things is quite difficult. They’re very fat figures,
you know, fat characters and I find them difficult to read. The printed characters
are much easier, I think. – [Luke] Oh absolutely. – Yeah but I love them. – So what’s the second thing? – I think the three things
are, there’s characters, pronunciation, your course on
pronunciation was fantastic – Oh thank you – I’m not saying that I’ve learned. I sometimes think that I need to do it again and again really. But it was so good and I think as you said I think to start there
was a really good point a fantastic way to start learning. – Yeah. We really wanted to make the Mandarin Blueprint Method first because that’s the bit we
were most excited about but in terms of the whole scheme of things you need to start with pronunciation so it made the most sense, you know? – Yeah and then just being able to, listening. Being able to hear without
seeing and not characters just listening to people
speaking and think I actually understand that. – Sorry say that last bit
again my alarm went off then. – (laughing) Listening, to be able
to listen to somebody speaking in Mandarin and think I actually understand that I’m amazed each time it happens I love it, it’s a great feeling. – [Luke] Yeah – So, the three parts just aim the three, how
you divide it into three what three do you use? – Oh, you mean in the
Mandarin Blueprint Method – [Sidney] Yeah, yeah – Phase one would be characters the movie method, is that what you mean? – [Sidney] Yeah that’s right – It’s characters, well we have sort of divided it into more than that now I guess all the work we have been doing. So the characters is the first phase of it and then it’s vocabulary pulling the words together like new vocabulary unlocked learning individual compound words made of more than one character
and one character of course and then we give you sentences for those and the next phase is
conversations, stories and dialogues – I love those, and the opinions I was reading one this morning about the use of the
mobile phone for banking and I had it on my desk the other day when I had a Chinese friend with me and he just happened to see it and he was trying to
talk to me straight away about that and how
important that was in China that you use your phone and they don’t go to the bank anymore they just use the phone for everything so it was quite relevant,
it was so up to date I thought that was really good. – Thanks, I mean we’ve got Annie Annie’s been fantastic you know Annie from the
pronunciation mastery course she’s a highly qualified teacher she’s very smart and she’s been putting
together pretty much all of the written content for us she’s here full time in our office and she’s doing so well with that we’re really happy with that as well. – They are good the thing I haven’t done
yet, which I want to do I’ve tried it but I haven’t
really started shadowing – [Luke] Right, right – Because, I’m trying
to work out how I get the actual vocals of the
conversations and things onto my phone to be able
to walk around with. They’re on my desktop at the moment and I want to try and get them onto my phone so I can listen to them and walk around and I’ll probably do that. – Right well, actually
it’s funny you say that because one of things that we’re going to I’m going to make while
Phil’s away on holiday is ePUBs with the audio and the text so you can do that – [Sidney] Oh right,
that would be really good – So you can have it with you and hopefully I’m going to
make it so that they have relatively big play buttons so you can just press play and watch it. And another thing is, once
you start to get more advanced and you want to say, maybe you can still use our materials and we highly recommend it but if you get to the point
where you want to branch out and maybe you want to start
looking at more advanced things or more things about
your personal interest that we don’t have on our site I love, and I still do
this now, I use a program called Lingq, l-i-n-g-q.com have you heard us talk about that before? – Yes, chap called Steve something – Steve Kaufmann – [Sidney] Yeah that’s right – I really should get money from that guy ’cause I’m always recommending – I haven’t seen it. I think you had a clip? – We talk about it in the
pronunciation mastery course at the end to say go and sign up for this if you want to take your
reading and listening to the next level. ‘Cause you can download your own e-books in Chinese or whatever it is and you can listen to it on the go and read it and stuff like that. – That’s going to me by next step to do I want to do more properly. – But don’t rush it. You’re doing fantastically and it might be frustrating for
you trying to move onto that right now with all the other
stuff you’ve got going on but that’s just something to
think about for the future. – I downloaded a kids
story about a little horse – [Luke] A little horse? – A little horse yes! It was a childish story
but it was really good it was all in characters
it was just lovely. There was no opinion to work on it and I enjoyed that. – That’s great. A lot of people go for
the children’s books and they actually end up
being surprisingly difficult because kids, they know Chinese right but it’s designed to teach
them more complicated Chinese that they might not have heard of I did that in my early days,
jumping into children’s books and I was like oh man (laughing) this doesn’t make me feel smart. But that can still work out very well. So the characters for you,
the character method seems to be the most, the key thing for you the thing that turned it all around. Can you break that down
in a little more detail? Break down the method and what you like about the actual character
learning method specifically or what interestS you
about it specifically – [Sidney] Well I like the way that you making the movie first of all that’s good and getting
my characters together the male and female and
fictional characters that was really interesting doing that. Some of them are quite peculiar but that makes them
stand out in the movies. I think one of the questions
I saw on your questions was, why was I skeptical? Well at first I was very
skeptical about that. How can having my Auntie Nelly in a movie actually help but it actually did it does really and it’s quite interesting. So the movies, the movie
system was really helpful to have that visual
representation of the character with it’s components. So the movies and the props together really worked well and I enjoyed that. – Did it take you a while
to, because you said that you were skeptical about the character learning thing at first, how long – Again I think it was because I come from an academic background. And that isn’t the way you learn and it isn’t the way you teach and it isn’t the way you learn perhaps it should be but it isn’t and I don’t think the
university would go for it. And so it’s quite alien to me and at first I struggled with it I thought is this going to work? But now I can create a movie so quickly the speed at which that happens now that surprises me sometimes. Although sometimes you realize you may have done it too quickly but Anki tells you that. – [Luke] Exactly, yeah – But Anki is, the only
chore in the whole course is Anki but I love it. You feel like you get up in the morning and you see that number on
the Anki thing and you think oh gosh I’ve got to do that by today and I always do it and it’s such a sense
of achievement to do it – [Luke] Yes it is – And it’s so helpful, I love it – And that’s why we can guarantee
that you’re gonna do well is because you take Anki seriously and it doesn’t have to be Anki it’s just doing flashcard
reviews is so vital especially in this early stage ’cause you’re taking in so
much new information aren’t you all these props, actors, characters, words so you have to keep it all in your head and it’s the most
efficient way of doing it – And the good thing is something that gave you
trouble early in Anki it comes around again and you get it and you think gosh I got that first time that’s good, its a real
encouragement, Anki – And it is addictive. I guess it’s a new habit to take on doing this thing every
day that takes at least half an hour possibly longer – I have to say to my wife I’m just going to do
my Anki and she laughs but she now knows what I mean. – But then after a while
it becomes a part of you I haven’t done Anki for a little while because I haven’t needed to to be honest except for my Spanish I’m putting it by the
wayside for a month or two whilst I focus on other stuff but it feels weird not
doing it after a while if you miss a day or two, I
don’t know if you have yet. – I haven’t missed a day and I dread – [Luke] That’s brilliant – And I dread missing a day like I’m going away for the weekend but Anki will go with me. – Absolutely you can’t escape it. – I love it, it’s good. – [Luke] Fantastic. So you mentioned the pronunciation as well the pronunciation mastery
course helped quite a bit do you find that the
Mandarin Blueprint Method with the actors and the sets and the rooms that represent the tones have you found that affects
your pronunciation in any way? – Um – Or your memory of the characters in terms of their pronunciation has it affected the way
you speak or listen? – The last character I did
was (Chinese word), to see, – [Luke] Right – I just know it’s
fourth tone because in my mind I know the picture
is for me ‘An’ is my local church actually, it’s
Anglican, Anglican church and if it’s the back yard, well the back yard happens to be a cemetery so I know from the movie the character ‘Ji’ is Jackie my wife and she is in the cemetery
and she sees this character which actually is an eye on human legs but the fact that it’s
in the cemetery I know it’s fourth tone, it’s the
back yard of the church it works, it’s amazing. I love it. – That’s so good to
hear, really good to hear we were starting out before
we fully released this course we practiced with clients
for hundreds of hours doing like we are now. We would have lessons exactly like this we would just chat using the live video and we did that for so
long with so many people because we had to keep testing it. We just weren’t sure
if the world was ready for this sort of thing. – [Sidney] It’s so novel. – It’s really good to hear
that you’re taking to it well. So how long does it take you to learn a character these days on average? – Sometimes just half a minute the movies come so quickly
and I know it and it’s there. And because you can just
draw the picture back in your mind it’s so clever. It’s a minute maybe, half
a minute to a minute. – I mean, do you find that
some of them just click immediately don’t they? – [Sidney] They do, some
are a bit more difficult – Exactly yeah, and
some, I remember because I learned all my characters
using this method or the earlier version of it and some would just drive me nuts like how do I imagine that? And then I’d walk away for five minutes or I’d get some inspiration
from somewhere else or just take a break or whatever it is and then oh, bang and then it comes, and
writes itself after a while. – In the course at the beginning you give us lots of
help to make the movies – [Luke] Yes – And that slowly is faded out like now on my own doing it and don’t get the help that we did before but it’s good because we had all the help and you can just do it now and that speeds it up doing it. – Yeah it sped up making it for sure ’cause 300 videos for
the first 100 characters but we wanted to make absolutely sure that we covered every single base every single point is out there every single guideline just to cover all our bases and make sure that ’cause we found, you don’t
seem to have this issue at all but there’s a lot of
people that do this method and we learned this
from our many many hours of teaching the method. A lot of people or at least
a chunk of our clients would over think things that was a huge thing. They would try and- there was this one guy
who was trying to invent new objects that didn’t exist (laughs) like he was, I don’t know
if you have seen the films the Matrix films but he reminded me of the architect the old guy that looks like the colonel, the KFC colonel who makes the Matrix and I was like just calm down, just use
stuff from your real life just take it easy and he was like but now this thing has this
weird thing attached to it and I was like, just imagine
stuff you already know but then other people, and these are people that would do so well so so well usually were people with very limited time they would just, okay,
I’ve got a dog there I’ve got a stick there the dog bits the stick done, next. And just move straight on. – That’s how it is now, and
you think it won’t come back but it does come back, it is there you remember. – And you’ve got exactly
the right attitude about rush through it,
rush through the scenes take the training wheels
off, rush through them and if there’s any problem there might be a problem
with how you’ve done it but Anki will tell you. – If you say I don’t know that obviously the movie didn’t work, try again – Exactly. It takes a
few seconds to do that so I’m really glad that
you’ve got that down and everyone watching this who’s also doing the hand to move method or the Mandarin Blueprint Method should also take that under advisement. Just trust your instincts our number one rule is keep it simple and the next one is trust your instincts and you seem to have
taken that on really well. So fantastic. So, we’ve already talked about this one our next question here is what are the results that you’ve achieved? You’ve clearly learned 300 characters you’ve learned how to read,
write, understand and pronounce over 300 characters now. What else would you say you’ve achieved if you could break down the specifics? – I’m trying to think about that. Obviously, I find it when I’m speaking with my Chinese friends again when I can get
them to speak Mandarin. They will speak to me in
English and I will try and answer them in Chinese. – [Luke] Yes – And they’re surprised when I do that and that’s an achievement I find that’s really
good that I can do that which, I try and do that. It’s very important to me to communicate, they do know what I mean. I think that’s the other
thing, is not being afraid to try and maybe fail or not fail and they will correct me which is quite good as well and I don’t mind that well I love it when they do that. – [Luke] Yeah, yeah. Fantastic. I mean, you’ve learned to read as well you’re reading whole sentences ’cause that’s something that a I think a lot of people who aren’t on the method would be interested in so, it’s not just about learning characters. Walk me through, what was it like ’cause I’m interested
to know this genuinely personally as well when did you realize you were making that transition what was it like making that
transition from memorizing recognizing individual
characters and words to reading a sentence or a
dialogue or a conversation or a paragraph in Chinese. You’ve made that transition have you not? – Yes, oh yeah I can do that – [Luke] That’s huge, that’s a huge thing – It’s a huge jump and when
I first did it I thought this is amazing and I would do it again I’d start at the beginning
again and read it again and I would say yeah I can do it it’s really quite exciting. – That’s what we call a breakthrough we talk about that in the
pronunciation mastery as well and that was Steve Kaufmann’s
idea of a breakthrough I was really inspired by that you get these little
breakthroughs as you focus as long as you put in the
time like you’ve been doing you get these breakthroughs
every now and then it could be once a month or it could be once every three months or once a year but you
get these breakthroughs from moving on to, wow I have
gone up a huge level here. – It reminds me when I was a young student in theological college
we were taught philosophy and I could not understand a word of it. – [Luke] (laughs) in English? – I used to sit in the class and think what is this guy on about? And I can remember, and I know
the class I know the place I was sitting at the desk and suddenly it clicked and everything fell into place and I knew, it worked and it’s like that with this suddenly you get to a
point where you think gosh that actually does
work and I can read this and you’re hungry for more then you just want to do it again and again. It’s addictive. – Brilliant, that’s really good to hear. Let’s move on the final section here just want to round everything up doesn’t matter if we repeat
ourselves or whatever just want to give a nice roundup
on what we’ve talked about. So first of all, what
were you skeptical about walking in to, signing up for the method? – Okay, the method. I was skeptical because it sounded stupid. (Luke laughs) – [Luke] That’s not the
first time we’ve had that – It sounded stupid and
I’d never learned like this I’d never taught like this it’s just not academic
and I’ve said that before in fact I laughed at the very idea but for a bit of fun I tried it and and despite all my misgivings it worked and what I found was, it was actually fun I think that was the thing about it it was fun in a way that
academic learning never has been. It’s always been a chore. The more I did and the
more I struggled with it it became easier and easier but it’s always fun and the thing about it is,
although I was skeptical the skepticism soon melted away and I found I could do things
that I never thought possible. People thought I was mad at 70 well I was in my 70s when I started and they thought I was mad
wanting to learn Chinese as everybody says the most
difficult language to learn they say that. – [Luke] Of course – But it’s not. – [Luke] No it’s not at all. Once you take care of the writing system the reading system it’s one
of the easier ones I think. – So when, despite the
skepticism which was real that has melted away now and I would recommend this to anybody. Particularly academics
because they’ll find it if they say this isn’t real learning it is real learning but it’s
learning a different way but it works and I would
recommend it to anybody. Honestly. – [Luke] That’s great. So what would you recommend
about it specifically or who would you recommend it to and why? – Well I recommend it
because of the simplicity of the way in which you
guys have arranged it have given us a system that is actually basic and simple to use that’s why I recommend it. And because it’s fun, it really is fun and it works. I would recommend it to
anybody who struggles who’s fed up of textbooks
things like that. When I went to the uni course I told you I went to a night class. The girl, the teacher
was good she was keen but it wasn’t like this,
it wasn’t fun like this this is the best and I’m sorry I can’t recommend it more highly. – Well thanks for that Sidney. Well I mean, that’s a
great spot to wrap this up so if anyone is interested
in giving it a go even though it does sound a bit crazy a bit silly. Go ahead and click below
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